I think the reason were Zyainor. The dwarves are dragon hunters, especially black dragon hunters, until just 40 years ago? Also mira stated that dwarven kind can live a lot of time, but if they couldn´t escape their tunnels because of Zyainor, why would they bother in increasing his Kind, also they share the tunnels with the Vermin.Dwarves being not the most dominant force in continent would be resurgence of vermins by maybe Aridon's machinations.
I mean its ironic that both the human line and the orc attack force find themselves sandwiched, One has the orcs in front and the traitors behind, while the other has what's left of the Human defense line and the undead who will massacre them after they are done with Ornassion.Still recommend at least destroying their fortress to get the bladebane armour though.
- Oh boy, the imperial front is pretty much doomed. The demons will pretty much break through with or without the orc attack under the circumstances Cleavehand's forces are in.
If we managed to kill an enemy character for good every time we defeated them in a mission, then the characters would be dropping like flies.I just remembered something. I think it's Zarin who said that the Orc leaders retreated, does that mean that we didn't kill any of them and just drove them back?
Orcs have necromancers of their own, Neophytes I believe their name is. They can raise Orc skeletons from corpsesJust watching Jay's Death's Approach and suddenly had smth in mind: Since Undead can simply raise and Humans can angelify Demonlords, what about Orcs purifying them with elements (Shamans and Witch Doctors would help lorewise) thus making them akin to orcs (a.k.a green-skinned) OR either making them bondservant to Orc heroes when defeated (presence of Skullblade and Rangul's willingness to adopt other race (Vanessa) would be a good point)
Good point, I thought that because the quest said to "kill" them if I'm not mistaken.If we managed to kill an enemy character for good every time we defeated them in a mission, then the characters would be dropping like flies.
My guess is that, by defeating them in this mission, the orcs will have less troops to attack Cleavehand's defenses.
I think at best their necromancy is considered Crude by the standards of what humans and undead can do I doubt orcs possess strong enough necromancers to control reanimated Demon leaders.Orcs have necromancers of their own, Neophytes I believe their name is. They can raise Orc skeletons from corpses
That's no "cheese". Why else would Saphira attack the Bloodhand base? She is not taking that one herself.@Shar Dundred You did not fix the cheese on this map... For anyone having trouble you can assault the red orc base down south destroy it with relative ease, migrate there with your new base you will never ever be harassed by the other orc clans, they will all attack the elves who will manage to repel them (90% of the time, the other 10% its the unlucky case when salana will go out to attack and her base will be attacked by 2+ clans)
No. Instead I am taking Spell Resistance away from you.Add the generic orc heroes back in Shar, I know it's been seven fucking years but this I swear to you I can beat them this time. I CAN FUCKING DO IT. LET THE PAIN OF THREE BLADEMASTERS ALL BLADESTORMING YOUR DWARVES AT ONCE BE KNOWN ONCE AGAIN. At least in hard maybe.
Orcs have no Demonlords behind trees though!Just watching Jay's Death's Approach and suddenly had smth in mind: Since Undead can simply raise and Humans can angelify Demonlords, what about Orcs purifying them with elements (Shamans and Witch Doctors would help lorewise) thus making them akin to orcs (a.k.a green-skinned) OR either making them bondservant to Orc heroes when defeated (presence of Skullblade and Rangul's willingness to adopt other race (Vanessa) would be a good point)
Well, the Orcs are actually invading, the Dwarves are sticking to their realm.By the way, I just noticed the irony of Zarin saying that the orcs are nuts if they think that one race alone can stand against the might of an entire continent. Considering that, by the end of the Second Void War, he has isolated the Dwarves from the rest of Arkain and doesn't even seem to bother with the fact that Zyainor is getting more and more powerful and wil eventually take over the entire continent.
Well, the Orcs are actually invading, the Dwarves are sticking to their realm.
While I concede that the Dwarves were right in mistrusting Gardon, they should have taken into account:@LISBOAH
Will have to disagree here with you, the dwarfs self imposed isolation did not come as a result of them being egoistic or confident, they were forced into it. Their ally the golden guard got defeated, the Elf are nothing but a vassal state of Gardon, Gardon itself tried to mind control them too, what's even worse he brought back the Black Dragons which dwarfs have a long history fighting with, the remaining Kingdoms even though a potential ally to help create a fifth power on Arkain are unreliable, Dorte went and allied with Gardon during the Golden guard-Iron fist showdown then got the shaft. Their only way of surviving is locking them selves up inside their mountain forts, try and fight off the vermin and hope Gardon,Demons,Aridon and The Dominion tear each-other up and leave the dwarfs alone...
Edit: Gardon does not have allies...He only has vassals, an alliance with Gardon isn't ever going to happen.
Since in the true story his relationship with the elves have improved, perhaps he had some informant about what happened in the elven forest.My theory is that Zarin wasn't unaware of most of what I just stated either because his sources were few, the Golden Guard made sure that he wouldn't know or maybe because he focused more on the evil Gardon commited rather than the good.
I´m positive that Zarin didn´t know that the Golden Guard was going to leave with only the elves, so he thought that helping Van Durce was the right call since they were protecting them with the cannon.Even if Gardon resorted to brainwashing, he nonetheless still wanted to save the continent, while the Golden Guard only truly started to care after realizing that they were stuck on the ship that was going to sink. Gardon may have been an evil, but he was an evil that could bring results. At the very least, Zarin could have chosen to make the Dwarves neutral during the Golden Guard - Ironfist conflict.
I had the exact same thoughts during that chapter.I´m positive that Zarin didn´t know that the Golden Guard was going to leave with only the elves, so he thought that helping Van Durce was the right call since they were protecting them with the cannon.
Probably not. Also the dwarfs were the ones stopping the demons while all the Humans and allies were fighting each other.It was weird seeing Zarin criticizing Gardon and choosing to side with the Golden Guard. I mean, did anyone tell him that his precious elven friends were about to leave the continent, leaving his race and the rest of the kingdoms to fend for themselves? And that his Golden Guard allies supported a rebellion on two kingdoms simply to get rid of one guy, the Emperor's own brother might I add, and were planning to leave the continent?
That mage must be the harmos' friend
All the generals from the second orc book are there, but that means that Genethas and Lerrigs'army are so baddass that can match the armies of Gardon and friends. :O
She could have joined Gardon. The Falcon Regiment is meant to be some sort of hunting and scouting force, right? They have little use in a defensive position.So. Cleavehand, fergon, kerros, zoia, berengar, grenan the firesummoner and prideblade... + The undead. Where is aveen?
The ones that will win the most from this are the Undead. Imagine all the corpses they will get from this.Against most of orcs generals and then the Demons. Holy shit this Will be a massacre.
We will probably have more than 3. Rangul, Vanessa, Zairmak. We might even control the Darkmind female survivor even..I Hope we can use Zairmak too, 3 heroes IS not enough against that amount of generals. At least 3 will survive.
She survive, that's what the short story said at least(but who knows what will happen in the second part), I wonder why will happen with general pridebladePoint withdrawn then...
Though I hope she survives...
They dont dissapear in the Lore. However the Demons know about the undead so they burn the corpses anyway.The ones that will win the most from this are the Undead. Imagine all the corpses they will get from this.
But yeah, I agree. Imagine if corpses didn't fade away from the map. Oh boy...
Rangul rath and Vanessa 100%. Dunno about Zairmak. And the rest wille either be allies or not appear at all (since we dont have any forest trolls some clan will lose most of his forces)We will probably have more than 3. Rangul, Vanessa, Zairmak. We might even control the Darkmind female survivor even..
Yes, indeed. Because the traitor.Even without all the forces that frontline is awful strong, that the orcs win that battle is fault of the imperials themself
No, I meant in the actual map we play. Imagine if the corpse of every unit killed during the gameplay didn't vanish.They dont dissapear in the Lore. However the Demons know about the undead so they burn the corpses anyway.
That could depend on whether we completed the Optional Quests on the Green Wave mission or not.Rangul rath and Vanessa 100%. Dunno about Zairmak. And the rest wille either be allies or not appear at all (since we dont have any forest trolls some clan will lose most of his forces)
If not for Genethas, the orcs would have been crushed and forced to retreat, and would head straight to the demons. In the meantime, the Redfists are burning their islands to the ground.Yes, indeed. Because the traitor.
If blen, harmos both the dwarven and elven units. All the ironfist with their necromancers and tree budies, merlon, lerrig and daric with their merceneries were there. They could have stopped the orcs.
In the First Books, the undead have been able to defeat the Bloodrinker Legion, but the Souleater was another different matter.The undead would stopped the Demons anyway.
I would say that the mercenaries working for him need it more.Can i say that i love the fact that once you get to play him, Lerrig is like one of the strongest heroes? (mofo got super busted War Aura and Chain Heal). Also, I like the interpretation that he hired those mercenaries to learn. Say what you want but Lerrig needs his own storyline
The salrians didnt cared about the orcs until they helped the centaurs in their war.I bet the Salrians and Redfists would have even more reasons to hate Genethas.
Unless it is changed. Only 2 Nexus defeated the bloodrinker legion + heroes. Maybe they couldnt stop 2 legions with only 2 nexus.Though it could be theorized that Kersidar only launched the invasion after Ornassion weakened the undead, so it can be possible that the undead might have won if they hadn't dealt with the Bloodrinker Legion before.
Well. If you are a mercenary you have to fight anything your contract said, if you dont want to fight orcs and fight Demons you could leave.They were all good people, they didn't even harbor noticeable hatred towards the orcs and their allies.