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Discussion in 'The Legends of Arkain Series' started by LickMyEyeBall, Jan 25, 2018.

  1. Ahman

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    I actually saw Rangul's death coming the moment he started speaking about how he will be remembered after his death. It reminded me how characters in Naruto Shippuuden suddenly get flashbacks before they die, but in this case it was a long ass conversation with Ephrog or whatever his name was. Interesting how Redfist's character completely changed from a good caring commander into a tyrant because of what Rangul did before he became Warchief. The campaign maker is basically saying that Redfist became the way he is because we, the players, slaughtered a whole village in chapter 1 of the first Orc book.
    I also remembered the chapter where Aedele hunts down her father in the second human book and how her sister came in to convince Adeale that Redfist is an amazing daddy. I'm starting to regret killing him in that mission now, but it is quite hard to say for sure, unless there is still a way to pull Redfist back to the good side.
    Interesting turnout of the events! totally loving it so far!
     
  2. LickMyEyeBall

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    No negative/positive points for Blen?

    EDIT: Gee, im such a dummy, forgot to switch choices T_T Apologies, the question was wrong.
     
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  3. Championfighter25

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    After replaying chapter 12 I can definitely confirm that it's a lot harder. The tactics I used to beat it before still worked, but its playtime was doubled.
    Most of the 4th interlude wasn't surprising. The non-aggression pact though, that was unexpected. It will probably be broken soon, but it will serve its purpose.
    And considering who Logan serves after you spared him, he will probably die by the time of the epilogue. It will be a bit surprising for him to outlive it.
     
  4. LISBOAH

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    Just saw the Interlude

    The only grammar error I found was during Commander Valan(?) quote when he says 'nonethless' rather than 'nonetheless'.

    Glad to see Sasrogarn dying. People like him are too worthless to be left alive. Plus, he could attempt to undermine Amari's authority. It would have been funnier if he had demanded a trial by combat to decide who should rule and then ask for Grofzag to represent him, but Grofzag simply ignores his request. Sas gets more and more hysterical and starts asking everyone, even the Grunts, to fight for him but no one has interest in fighting for him and Amari kills him.

    Isn't 'Brian' kind of breaking the pact he made with Aridon by advising Amari and making both her and Gardon form a pact?

    I think this pact will work well. Logan has a high opinion of Amari and Gardon knows that the Domion under Amari will not go around plundering and burning like the orcs did under Rangul.
     
  5. Shar Dundred

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    He is using a loophole, actually. Since this is focused on Gardon, in this particular case, he
    is not breaking the pact - not any more than Aridon by sending the three Bonelords.
    It is not like Brian is telling Gardon to "support" Amari or is using his own powers to fight.
    If this would have been an alliance offer rather than what it is, Aridon would not have allowed
    this to happen.
     
  6. OblivionDeadra

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    Ummmm question about chapter 12


     
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  7. lloyd2422

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    I did not expect that plot twist though, now i know the reason why amari herself was not present during the end of the invasion (chapter 12 of shb), and i guess having murlocks as part of the dominion is not really considered as canon. still, that interlude was Great.
     
  8. Tuwnew

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    Yeah, where is the weedhunter tribe? x)

    Also, I just noticed that almost all orcs chieftain from the first book are now dead.
    Except Zairmak!

    I am not sure if Lokar was already a leader since we don't see him in the first book.
     
  9. LISBOAH

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    Just played the Thirteenth Chapter

    Errors:
    -The description in the loading screen is too long for all to appear.
    -'buried' instead of 'burried'

    The Redfist claim that they have been more successful than the mercenaries. Let's see:
    -They managed to burn the Orc islands, but only because most of the warriors were away and failed at preventing the few warriors to escape.
    -They attacked the Gnolls that were neutral in this whole mess and then got massacred.
    If this is their defintion of success, I can't even imagine what they deem as failure :D

    Look Daric. I value honor and commitment. I REALLY do. But deciding to stay commited to this cause was not just stupid, it was advanced stupid. Do you really think that an order given by Lerrig is worth anything at all? You sent yourself and your men to their deaths due to the order of an incompetent man that can't even be trusted with taking care of a hamster during hibernation!

    I hope that either Aedale or Ebira kill Orie when this is all over. A sister that didn't do anything while her younger sister was being abused by her father is just as worthless as trash. Seriously, what did she thought Aedale was going to do to her father if given the opportunity of revenge? Blame your 'precious' father for the whole mess, blame the source not the effect!

    I hope Zelech and his men get burned alive by Aedale's flames. It would be karma at its finest!

    I felt pure catharsis at slaughtering the Bloodstone Dwarves and Redfists. I felt more joy at killing them than killing the Golden Guard, imagine that! They are the epitome of hypocrisy, the flaw I deem as the worst of all!

    Wait, so Gardon failed? :eek: That was even more shocking than nearly another plot twist!
    So it is up to Amari and friends to both defeat the Golden Guard and stop the demonic invasion?
    If things will go similar to the Second Human Book, the undead will intervene, by either allying with Amari (unlikely) and later betraying her or attempt to claim and destroy the cannon. Aridon will not let that the cannon is left at the hands of mortals, even at the hands of Brian's servants.
     
  10. Championfighter25

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    I expected part of Daric's mercenaries to desert after we destroyed his main base.
    While some of them really want to destroy us, a lot are in it for the money.
    Anyway, as expected a certain demoness did indeed help, even if indirectly.
    Orie is even more foolish and gullable than Aedale. Ironic.
    Gardon failing was unexpected. At least the Dominion now have a better reason at attacking the canon. Unfortunately, we know how this is going to end.
     
  11. LISBOAH

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    Right, like they would get a lot of money. From who? Lerrig is dead and the Redfist would most likely take all the credit.

    Yep.
    What does she have to complain? She was clearly a favourite of her father, while the rest of her siblings were mistreated.
    Is little Orie upset that her precious daddy got killed, even though he clearly had it coming?:cry:

    I hope she gets what is coming to her as well. She didn't do anything to aid her sister when she needed her and abandoned her father's men simply for revenge.

    I only hope that they manage to kill van Durce and Zarin before they inevitably fail.
     
  12. Hardric62

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    The part where he said the Emperor 'renewed' his mission is the likely explanation for me. When your ruler gives you a mission, you usually follow on.

    The way it's said, i'd say they're still alive (maye not that much of a surprise if the future is supposed to include a Zyainor). I'm curious to see if Gardon's remaining forces will play any role in the last parts of this campaign.
     
  13. LISBOAH

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    Mercenaries are not like the Golden Guard or the Redfist, that are bound by duty to serve the Emperor. They simply work for those that pay them. But in this case no amount of money will be sufficent to repair the losses that the mercenaries suffered due to Lerrig's incompetent order.

    And considering who the true Emperor is...

    I know they are still alive. I only hope that they get killed by the Dominion and Zarin gets killed by the daughter of the orc that killed his brother. I don't care if this means that the Dwarves will be left leaderless or even go into civil war. It is their fault for going into war simply because the brother of the king was killed.
     
  14. Hardric62

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    Well, I guess 'agents' of the Emperor renewed their contract, while pointing out that the Empire was pulling out of the Kingdoms and giving them up to the Demons, and only loyal efficient servants could pretend to a place in one of the ships leaving the place behind... Could be a big motivation.
     
  15. Shar Dundred

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    Trust me, if the Emperor had told Redfist to abandon his personal crusade and order him to like attack the Demons or Gardon, Redfist would have gone renegade and his army would follow.
     
  16. LISBOAH

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    Wow, for real?

    Then that is settled!
    The Redfists are henceforth the faction I despise the most in all of Arkain! If they were a race, I would commit full genocide on them without regret; their screams would serve as lullabies; the few survivors would be buried alive, for their corpses are not even worthy of being eaten by the vultures. And to Volarian, I would incapacitate him and force him to watch his men die!
    Once I was done, anyone that would say 'Redfist' would get a a shiver down on their very soul because they would immediatly think of the absolute massacre I inflicted upon them!
     
  17. OblivionDeadra

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    Hmmmm

    I know this question is dumb but it got me thinking

    During the secret campaign in SOB the demonlord/Buff Doom guard mention he can't mind control the redfist men..
    soooo can aridon somehow manipulate the redfist of stopping their crusade?

    Just a thought though.

    Edit: Just fixing my grammar sorry
     
  18. LISBOAH

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    I don't think Aridon can directly mind control others, only undead.

    Rahandir knows about the spell Gardon uses to secure the loyalty of the Ironfist, so most likely he can use it as well.

    The best in Aridon's ranks in terms of manipulation is Largoth since he can enter people's minds, create nightmares, etc.
     
  19. Shar Dundred

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    While it makes me a bit proud that I have apparently managed to create a faction that you
    out of all people hate even more than the Orcs, I have to admit that my choice of words was
    maybe not entirely correct. :p
    What I meant was that Redfist would ignore such orders and you COULD consider that going
    renegade or it would justify any actions from the Imperial forces against him if it came to that
    point.
    I did not mean to say that they would actively work against their former brothers and sisters
    in arms or attack any other human factions, I only meant to say that NO ONE would have prevented
    Redfist from doing what he is doing.
    Regarding Aridon, his manipulations might have SOME effect, but he is not using "direct" mind control
    (neither is Rahandir, btw), he is using his powers but he could not have someone serve him like that.
    His manipulations work in a way that people mostly don't even notice that they are being manipulated.
    Someone like Redifst, who is COMPLETELY determined to destroy the Orcs could not just be manipulated
    out of that.

    He isn't really in Aridon's ranks anymore though. :D
     
  20. LISBOAH

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    In times of war, desertion is considered as pretty much betrayal.

    Considering that the Redfist burned alive people that had no problem in coexisting with other races, their loyalty to their own race is not exactly very high. To them everyone that doesn't agree with their extreme racist ideals are traitors, but considering that they murdered civilians, the very people they were supposed to protect, they are the biggest traitors.

    So orcs killing Redfist's family is wrong, but him killing civilians of his own race is fine? I would say that Redfist needs to get laid, but considering that he has plenty of children, that is not the problem. :D So he should pick a better option, kill himself.

    So in all timelines he ends up leaving the Undead cause?