Naga Projects

[VeljkoM]

Yea that would be awesome. Sort of like a contest just instead of winners we combine best ideas.

 

[Misha]

Yeah, I think you should be figuring your slave-turtle, Veljo

 

[VeljkoM]

That is easy. Its the heroes that will be a death of me.

 

[Misha]

We'll see :>

 

[Lore-Wolf]

hmm.. i think it will still not solve the problem. and it will take A 'LOT' of time.
But lets hear what the rest thinks of it.

 

[VeljkoM]

Well it would be nice if at least someone starts on the map. Besides we don't have to finish our races to present them. Just show the basic concept, way to show ideas on action.

 

[Lore-Wolf]

!

Again.. I did ><

 

[sacridshadow]

And for those who don't have the time to begin the mapping and whatnot? That doesn't help much. Honestly, I say we just make a list, knowing the strengths and weaknesses of each unit before throwing stuff out there.

Basic melee: murloc/murgul - quick, light units. good as cannonfodder
Medium melee: naga myrmidon - basic naga unit, but has more health and attack power than murlocs. normal myrmidon abilities.
Advanced melee: Naga Royal Guard - upgraded version of the myrmidon, with normal abilities, plus summoning water elementals, and maybe some sort of enrage spell.
Siege: Either golem or dragon turtle- Both would be able to shoot rocks at the enemy (turtle already have that function), and turtles can swallow enemies to heal damage over time.
Basic Ranged: (open for discussion)
Spellcaster: Naga Sirens - have multiple abilities, including some sort of mana/frost shield and parasites
Air: Coautl - the only air unit the naga have ever had. Has no abilities.

 

[sacridshadow]

Heroes: Tank - large naga able to take hits. Should have some way of distracting enemy units, like Taunts or having an aura that weakens their attack power.
Disruptor - quick, agile unit able to get in and out quickly. Should have poison abilities, and maybe some nets to stop enemy movement. May not have to cloak.
Spellcaster - Able to wield many different spells focusing on water or ice. may summon water elementals or revenants (to be slightly different from other spellcasters). Could have Blizzard, Frost Shield, and Frost Nova. Spells open for replacment depending on other water spells.
Sea Witch - ranged hero with Forked Lightning, Mana Shield, Frost Arrow, and Tornado.
Attacker - Naga Deathknight previously serving the Lich King. Melee attacker and has many abilities, like summon Ghouls (timed), Death Coil, Vampiric/Command Aura, and Death and Decay.

 

[VeljkoM]

I would rather vote for golem then turtle. Though we can even use murloc catapult (model exist) and give golem a different role? Oh and instead of disruptor should be Deep Stalker and think he should have cloak and maybe better poison type of attack. Coautl actually serves also as anti magic unit.

And ok no to the contest idea but I am still going to at least start on naga for this weekend.

 

[sacridshadow]

lol Velj, I wasn't actually giving their names. I was giving their roles. I wanted everything to be clear as to what they were. Since naga aren't a range heavy race, I don't know if they'll even have one, except the Sirens, of course.

 

[VeljkoM]

Well that was also suggestion for the model also. And yea bows and crossbows aren't effective underwater but we'll still give them a basic range unit (balance over lore). Though won't we have two casters? We could use regular siren and male spellcaster misha made and use summoner (the other siren) as worker.

 

[Lore-Wolf]

err we already decided there were the arbalistors for ranged right?

there is a list off all the units which we already set up.

but if everyone is going to make a map. Then i will not.

 

[VeljkoM]

Don't worry not everyone will make a map. Oh and yea Crossbow naga thoough he still needs model.

 

[Misha]

lol for the death knight, we'd need to nagafie his abilities xD
I guess Undead murloc would be cool :3

also, I think he should also have the deathgrip, that purple beam that lifts and pulls the unit to the death knight in WoW

and.. death and decay for a death knight? No man.. why not summon frost wyrm?

 

[VeljkoM]

Uh and what would be the use of deathgrip in wc3? Maybe if it did the damage or something but still must admit it sounds more like rpg ability not rts. And yea channel ability like death and decay doesn't fit strength hero, but still think we should try to think more unique spells.

 

[Misha]

I already was basing deathgrip on "aerial shackles" blood elven dragonhawk riders have, it would surely be an useful ability to pick out one creep out of the mob, without having all of them chasing you

 

[sacridshadow]

If I recall correctly, the Death Knight was turned into a more well rounded class, and fits the role of tank, healer, disruptor, and caster. I was just using spells from tWarcraft 3, since I don't know what deathknights have aside from summon ghoul and some frost abilities.

Death Grip could be like the net spell, in that it captures a unit and damages them over time.

And why not Death and Decay? They need an level 6 spell, and that one is good against units and buildings. And remember, these are naga. What they learn would be different from other races.

 

[VeljkoM]

Not death and decay cuz that's channel and mana heavy intelligent hero ability. Simple intelligent heroes have usually aoe damage spells (can be channeled or instant) and summon units. Strength heroes usually have quick spells that are low on mana and often have abilities that make them or surrounding units capable of survival. And agility heroes are probably closest to heroes from RPG games since they often are equipped to survive and deal damage very fast.

Of course there are few exceptions.

 

[Misha]

lol deathknights have a wide variety of spells from 3 talent-trees, Blood, frost and unholy

I believe Unholy can summon a gargoyle

EDIT: http://www.wowwiki.com/Death_knight_abilities

 

[sacridshadow]

So, for a Naga Death Knight, we need to pick spells that work for his race and class. I think these spells would work.
Death Coil, Unholy Aura, Vampiric Aura, Summon Ghouls, Raise Dead, Frost Nova, Frost Shield, Spike Armor, Impale

Summon Gargole would be interesting, but they don't tend to last long against ranged units. I've had whole groups get slaughtered by Night Elf Archers. That's why I resort to strike and flee over the trees.

 

[Misha]

My spell suggestion for a naga death knight would be;

Deathgrip
Deathcoil
Frost touch
army of the dead (murlocs)
Summon Frostwyrm

 

[varsaigen]

undead murlocs... that'd be cool. (isn't there a skeletal murloc around here?)

Mur'ghoul They might have their scales, but at least they are undead. These are undead murlocs from WoW.

 

[VeljkoM]

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...-54165/?prev=search=dead%20murloc&d=list&r=20 Luckily that's one model that exists. http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...us-halo-61019/?prev=search=murloc&d=list&r=20 here is a skin also if we have to cut back duo to map size.

Also may I point out that death coil doesn't have point outside of undead race since its power is in healing undead and also death grip already is 1 target spell.

 

[varsaigen]

Yeah, but I was hoping to find a skeleton that didn't look like a stretched ghoul. That thing is ugly. Doesn't look like bone. :/

 

[VeljkoM]

True but ghoul murloc still looks more undeadish (though it is ugly and has hero glow) then blue skinned murloc (that skin seems more alive then wow version). Ah well that is the often problem with model searching, you almost never find what you need and have to decide what looks slightly better.

 

[Misha]

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/skins-552/decayed-murloc-61857/?prev=search=murloc&d=list&r=20 now this is dead-enough >

 

[VeljkoM]

Definitely wins the undead award.

By the way guys do you know uh any naga buildings model? Would be nice to have models for seconday production building, building for ultimate unit (you know like how rest have for Wyrms, Chimeras, Tauren...) oh and shop?

 

[varsaigen]

YES! That murloc is perfect.

I haven't seen any naga buildings. :/

 

[sacridshadow]

ugh! that's just plain hideous. Hope I won't have to see it's image often.

 

[VeljkoM]

Then I suggest avoid using Death Knight xD

 

[Misha]

xDD

anyway, there is one intricate fountain-like naga-like building here, check it out, maybe it's useful.. And, that well-thing with an anchor and a turtle shell looks useful for something

EDIT: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...r-118649/?prev=search=naga&r=20&d=list&page=2

 

[waveseeker]

okay, so i took your advice guys, and i got a student 3dsmax, i am going to look at some tut's on the hive... so. what should my first model be?

EDIT - uh,, how to i convert 3ds to mdx? crap.

 

[varsaigen]

pick something simple to give yourself a starting point. When you are confident you can add detail to a shape, and even create objects around you, then you can begin on something as detailed as a building or character. Much easier to start off simple rather than with a tank.

 

[waveseeker]

does anyone here on the hive use 3dsmax for modeling? i made some cool looking shoulderpads, but i am having a LOT of trouble uploading them to test them out....

 

[VeljkoM]

Sorry but no...

On the bright side I started to work on race and it is going nice, I admit I am having fun with some of my ideas but those won't be in race, just for me to have something till all units are settled. (yes there is death knight so don't worry.)

 

[Misha]

coolio :3 keep it up

 

[VeljkoM]

Naga Race Alpha

Ok this is just a start. Anomaly, golem, forth hero and more aren't added yet and there are few extras that might be removed. This post will be divided in 3 parts

Economic Units:
-Adherent: Worker unit. Summons buildings and gathers gold. Currently uses Naga summoner model.
-Slave: Secondary worker. Gathers wood and for now can make tower(Tidal Guardian) (well there are to many building in Adherent list already).
-Slave Wagon (Turtle): Serves as lumber drop point, can be garrisoned by slaves. Think of it as mobile burrow (needs to be "grounded" to use these abilities). Also in-game it has attached Murloc Hut on its back and when grounded it lowers itself to the ground.

 

[VeljkoM]

Military units:
-Reaver: Just a default unit for now.
-Snap Dragon: Default unit. Will be Arbalester (Naga with crossbow) when model is finished.
-Myrmidon: Elite melee unit. Can be upgraded to Royal Guard.
-Deep Stalker: Invisible till attacks, has poison and is really fast but not durable much. Not approved unit and it might be scraped.
-Murloc Catapult: Slave operated siege machine. Not approved unit and it might be scraped. Guess Golem will be siege instead...I must admit I like ranged siege idea better
-Sorcerer: Supportive spell-caster. No spells yet.
-Siren: Offensive-caster. For now just has parasite.
-Couatl: Suggest to be Anti-caster, Air unit.
-Reptilian Scavenger: Suggest to be air to air unit. Doesn't have a name actually.
-Sea Drake: Suggest to be ultimate flyer. Think of Chimera, Frost Wyrm or Gryphon rider

 

[VeljkoM]

Heroes:
-Death Knight: Well since Misha would kill me if I didn't use it its great idea here he is. Will probably have Deathgrip, Icetouch, Mur'ghouls and Frost Wyrm...yea i think he'll need more attention.
-Warlord: Ok yes I am using Misha version cuz its 100k smaller. Have no idea what he will have.
-Sea Witch: For ow just a standard though I think we could replace at least one spell.

Ok there yo go. Its not much but its a start. Some units are missing though I would like you to reconsider anomaly thing duo to map size. I mean 4 models for 1 unit would be to much, not saying to remove it completely. Also remember these list is not decided so many of these things will be replaced, changed and what not.

 

[Misha]

looks cool.. I think deep stalker should be one of the anomalies. (two types for balance)

EDIT: hm.. should naga golem be a giant stone snake?

 

[waveseeker]

hey misha, you use milkshape, right? could you help me by converting a filetype to mdx for me? in whatever way you do? i just don't know how to do it...

 

[sacridshadow]

For the seige golem, I was thinking. To be unique and not just smash everything, why don't we have it shoot water? More specifically, pressurised water, since that is what is used to cut metals and rock. I think it'd be good on buildings, and even better on light units. lol

For the air units, the dragon-like things don't look like anti air units. I think we'd need something a little more aquatic for that. Something that doesn't have legs or a ranged attack.

 

[VeljkoM]

Ugh that model is based wyvern (riderless) so its not really ranged (dragonhawk is ranged to yet is perfect anti-air unit). Besides naga models are quite rare.

 

[sacridshadow]

Yes, they are. If the aquatic air unit isn't melee, I wonder what it would shoot. Some sort of acid or something?

 

[Misha]

Hm.. neat idea of a "flow-jet" cutter stream for siege, sacrid, but.. how to do that? Oo

and wave.. I could try.. which filetype is it?
EDIT: those are some neat shoulders, wave

 

[waveseeker]

Thanks. it's Coral, like my tree. i made them because there is almost nothing on hive mode as armor for aquatic units, and i figured, un-animated simple models would be good to practice 3ds max. so i plan on making some more stuff like it.

 

[VeljkoM]

Cool we can use attachments on regular Blizz models to make them better (plus attachments are way smaller then whole unit). I mean Myrmidon is now basically naked.

 

[waveseeker]

yeah, i don't even know if it works yet or not... for some reason, my anti-virus thinks my war3.exe file (i am pretty sure it's the file that means i can play without a disk...) is a trojan... and it won't let me play. this happened in the last week or so... so that all stinks.

 

[VeljkoM]

Yea some anti-viruses are idiotic like that.