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Do me a favor. Rather than looking at the title and assuming this is a stupid rant and skipping over it all, and then flaming me for bringing this up...
Please read this. All of it. Don't skim, or you won't understand. Thanks in advance.
Today, I decided to look at the maps section. I almost cried when I saw that a mod had approved this:
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/resources_new/maps/6443/
What. The. Hell. I looked and saw that a mod had approved a map that was a literal clone of 100 other maps. Nothing new, nothing unique; the submission didn't even have a damn description! That map is just one example amongst many.
From what I see, a map is approved under the following conditions:
-Map doesn't crash
-Map isn't laced with viruses
-Map is yours.
So, I could submit a 64x64 dirt map with 4 footmen? And it could be approvable?
Wc3campaigns, while dead now, had the best map reviewal and moderation ever. And I'm not just saying that because I've been there for close to 2 years. I look at Hive's map section and think "Is this Hive or epicwar?". Yes, I understand that a LOT of maps are submitted everyday. Yes, I also understand people have lives. Yes, i understand Wc3 is dying by the day. But Hive has a LOT of members, and I'm sure at least a few are able-minded enough to do some REAL reviewing.
And not to mention the map section has all the approved maps still there, but I hear that's to be fixed. But you know, I think a lot of those need to be re-looked at. And for real this time.
I know this site isn't Wc3c. I know you aren't nearly as strict with your submissions. But seriously, you guys are letting shit with legs walk in and be accepted, and it's seriously cluttering maps with potential. Rather than letting 100 clones of the same map, or poorly made attempts at maps in, why don't you accept 4 quality maps of some decency and let the other ones go away.
Also, some maps should be instantly detectable as removable. Run Kitty Run DOTA? I mean, come on. No offense, but that just screams "Clone! Clone! Poor! Blah!". And even still, there are maps that have been in queue for MONTHS, with little to no activity whatsoever. And it doesn't look like you can even bump resources there, so what's the point of submitting? I put my map up in there, and within 3 days it was on the second page.
I think the admins need to find a team of 10-20 people to review maps on a regular basis. It doesn't even have to be daily! And it doesn't have to be thorough either. Just a 15 minute scan of whether the map is unique at all, whether it's decently made, etc. From there, it's passed into a second area where the reviewers do a more in-depth play. They check for major flaws, major imbalances, etc. If it passes there, it reaches a 3rd and final step, where it's rated on a grading scale matching its genre. I wrote one for Gamerisle a while back. It's lost now that the site died, but I could re-write one. It's basically like grading a test. You go through that genre's ratings and check them off. If the map receives a 'passing' grade, then it's in. Things to look for would be minor errors, polish, uniqueness, quality, credits, etc.
It sounds hard and lengthy. It's not though. Once the map section is cleaned of all the approved maps, you could go through those and look. If a map is obviously going to pass steps 2 and 3, then just let it pass. This would ONLY be for maps that have already been 'approved' on the previous system.
I'm sure all this has been brought up before. But you know, I don't care. I think that there needs to be some action taken. The first step would be to filter the 'approved' maps from those in queue. From there, re-filter the 'approved' maps. Remove ones that suck or need improvement. From there, finish filtering the remaining maps for final judgement. After that, go through the queue.
I understand that this process isn't an overnight deal. It might even take a month or 3. But if, while the 'approved' maps are being moved, the admins start getting people together to do reviewing, then this could move quite well.
Good luck to you. And if you ever decide to do anything like this, then I wouldn't mind doing reviewing. I'm strict though. Oh heavens.
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Please read this. All of it. Don't skim, or you won't understand. Thanks in advance.
Today, I decided to look at the maps section. I almost cried when I saw that a mod had approved this:
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/resources_new/maps/6443/
What. The. Hell. I looked and saw that a mod had approved a map that was a literal clone of 100 other maps. Nothing new, nothing unique; the submission didn't even have a damn description! That map is just one example amongst many.
From what I see, a map is approved under the following conditions:
-Map doesn't crash
-Map isn't laced with viruses
-Map is yours.
So, I could submit a 64x64 dirt map with 4 footmen? And it could be approvable?
Wc3campaigns, while dead now, had the best map reviewal and moderation ever. And I'm not just saying that because I've been there for close to 2 years. I look at Hive's map section and think "Is this Hive or epicwar?". Yes, I understand that a LOT of maps are submitted everyday. Yes, I also understand people have lives. Yes, i understand Wc3 is dying by the day. But Hive has a LOT of members, and I'm sure at least a few are able-minded enough to do some REAL reviewing.
And not to mention the map section has all the approved maps still there, but I hear that's to be fixed. But you know, I think a lot of those need to be re-looked at. And for real this time.
I know this site isn't Wc3c. I know you aren't nearly as strict with your submissions. But seriously, you guys are letting shit with legs walk in and be accepted, and it's seriously cluttering maps with potential. Rather than letting 100 clones of the same map, or poorly made attempts at maps in, why don't you accept 4 quality maps of some decency and let the other ones go away.
Also, some maps should be instantly detectable as removable. Run Kitty Run DOTA? I mean, come on. No offense, but that just screams "Clone! Clone! Poor! Blah!". And even still, there are maps that have been in queue for MONTHS, with little to no activity whatsoever. And it doesn't look like you can even bump resources there, so what's the point of submitting? I put my map up in there, and within 3 days it was on the second page.
I think the admins need to find a team of 10-20 people to review maps on a regular basis. It doesn't even have to be daily! And it doesn't have to be thorough either. Just a 15 minute scan of whether the map is unique at all, whether it's decently made, etc. From there, it's passed into a second area where the reviewers do a more in-depth play. They check for major flaws, major imbalances, etc. If it passes there, it reaches a 3rd and final step, where it's rated on a grading scale matching its genre. I wrote one for Gamerisle a while back. It's lost now that the site died, but I could re-write one. It's basically like grading a test. You go through that genre's ratings and check them off. If the map receives a 'passing' grade, then it's in. Things to look for would be minor errors, polish, uniqueness, quality, credits, etc.
It sounds hard and lengthy. It's not though. Once the map section is cleaned of all the approved maps, you could go through those and look. If a map is obviously going to pass steps 2 and 3, then just let it pass. This would ONLY be for maps that have already been 'approved' on the previous system.
I'm sure all this has been brought up before. But you know, I don't care. I think that there needs to be some action taken. The first step would be to filter the 'approved' maps from those in queue. From there, re-filter the 'approved' maps. Remove ones that suck or need improvement. From there, finish filtering the remaining maps for final judgement. After that, go through the queue.
I understand that this process isn't an overnight deal. It might even take a month or 3. But if, while the 'approved' maps are being moved, the admins start getting people together to do reviewing, then this could move quite well.
Good luck to you. And if you ever decide to do anything like this, then I wouldn't mind doing reviewing. I'm strict though. Oh heavens.
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