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Did Old God corrupt fountains?
Yeah I am aware that tyrants dont really suffer for their actions. I just got really mad because I hate Malfurion in the original lore and now I hate him even more. I really really wanted him to be tortured and then killed at the end of the campaign.
Did Old God corrupt fountains?
I don't think so. In the flashback where Magtheridon talks about the fountains, the fountain simply enhanced the murloc. If it was of Old Gods' origin it would have be of more corruptive nature.
Though I believe that the Old Gods had something to do with the events. That inner voice that corrupted Malfurion seems kind of similar to what happened to Deathwing and others.
Update your gameMeet the new malfurion model
Version: 1.4b
As far as story goes, well, it's really bad. Malfurion having a very briefly 'explained' corrupted inner voice that apparently gets him to change his entire personality,
getting so amazingly powerful somehow that no one can really stand against him for long, everyone but him being morons who keep explaining their plans to their enemies, or who don't communicate with their allies so they can coordonate their efforts properly and not die like idiots, or who don't even use their powers when they should(like Nozdormu and his time travel and seeing into the future), or who fight against their 'rivals' stupidly in the middle of an invasion(the Legion), all of these make the whole campaign very frustrating. Basically this is Malfurion being an OP douche and all the other characters are incompetent morons, it's not that fun imo.
what happened to the Lich King in this universe,
what happened to Sargeras and Archimonde,
why did so many leaders treat Kil'jaeden like crap and make him have to prove himself as leader when apparently he's the strongest guy they have,
I'll be honest. As far as gameplay goes this is a great campaign and I appreciate all the effort that you put in, I'm certain it's been hell to develop all of this. As far as story goes, well, it's really bad. Malfurion having a very briefly 'explained' corrupted inner voice that apparently gets him to change his entire personality, getting so amazingly powerful somehow that no one can really stand against him for long, everyone but him being morons who keep explaining their plans to their enemies, or who don't communicate with their allies so they can coordonate their efforts properly and not die like idiots, or who don't even use their powers when they should(like Nozdormu and his time travel and seeing into the future), or who fight against their 'rivals' stupidly in the middle of an invasion(the Legion), all of these make the whole campaign very frustrating. Basically this is Malfurion being an OP douche and all the other characters are incompetent morons, it's not that fun imo.
Also some other changes from canon are also kind of strange if you want to make this campaign even remotely close to canon, like how the hell were there so many highborne exactly, what happened to the Lich King in this universe, what happened to Sargeras and Archimonde, why the hell Azgalor, of all people, took over after that, how did he himself die, why did so many leaders treat Kil'jaeden like crap and make him have to prove himself as leader when apparently he's the strongest guy they have, and why in the hell does everybody still call Malfurion 'Shandoo' after his corruption when that term means 'respected teacher'? There are other things, these are just the things that come to mind.
All in all I think you deserve respect for all your efforts, but you need to get some help with story telling. I can relate, it's hard writing proper fanfiction, and even harder implementing it in a campaign, I'm being a dick mostly because there's a lot of merit to the gameplay and some interesting story concepts.
Cheers!
'Madness is like gravity. All it takes is a little push."
The Joker, 'The Dark Knight'
To be fair, Malfurion would have lost quite early in the story if not for the Highborne being there to save him and if the Legion was not there to divert the attentions of the others.
The main problem with the Aspects is that they stopped interacting with each other after Deathwing's betrayal and only restarted mending fences after the events of 'Day of the Dragon'. If they had stayed allies for the past millenia, they could have had cooperated more efficiently to stop both the Legion and Malfurion.
Cenarius and Tyrande were also too idealistic to realize that Malfurion could no longer be redeemed. They should have finished him off when they had the chance, but the love they still felt for him blinded them.
He was destroyed in 'The Adventures of Rowan the Wise'.
Sargeras is probably unable to directly lead the Burning Legion, like in the original canon.
Archimonde apparently doesn't exist in this aternate world.
Because Kil'jaeden is a smug and obnoxious douche that sees everyone else as his pawns and playthings. Do you remember that Interlude when he makes the council gather in Outland, Magtheridon's realm, simply to spite off the Pit Lord?
There is a reason why that when the votes for leader of the Burning Legion came, Azgalor won and Tichondrius would have been chosen as leader if not for his deal with Kil'jaeden.
Also I agree with you. The thing that really bugs me is that the demons's dialogue are as if they are not demons but real life humans.
Malfurion getting too op really pissed me off too. I kinda wish there was a mission or cinematic that a titan appears out of nowhere and kills him.
I'll be honest. As far as gameplay goes this is a great campaign and I appreciate all the effort that you put in, I'm certain it's been hell to develop all of this. As far as story goes, well, it's really bad. Malfurion having a very briefly 'explained' corrupted inner voice that apparently gets him to change his entire personality, getting so amazingly powerful somehow that no one can really stand against him for long, everyone but him being morons who keep explaining their plans to their enemies, or who don't communicate with their allies so they can coordonate their efforts properly and not die like idiots, or who don't even use their powers when they should(like Nozdormu and his time travel and seeing into the future), or who fight against their 'rivals' stupidly in the middle of an invasion(the Legion), all of these make the whole campaign very frustrating. Basically this is Malfurion being an OP douche and all the other characters are incompetent morons, it's not that fun imo.
Also some other changes from canon are also kind of strange if you want to make this campaign even remotely close to canon, like how the hell were there so many highborne exactly, what happened to the Lich King in this universe, what happened to Sargeras and Archimonde, why the hell Azgalor, of all people, took over after that, how did he himself die, why did so many leaders treat Kil'jaeden like crap and make him have to prove himself as leader when apparently he's the strongest guy they have, and why in the hell does everybody still call Malfurion 'Shandoo' after his corruption when that term means 'respected teacher'? There are other things, these are just the things that come to mind.
All in all I think you deserve respect for all your efforts, but you need to get some help with story telling. I can relate, it's hard writing proper fanfiction, and even harder implementing it in a campaign, I'm being a dick mostly because there's a lot of merit to the gameplay and some interesting story concepts.
Cheers!
Play the other ones of Turnro's campaigns starting from the human to orc then undead. Some of the questions you have were answered in the other campaigns.
Also I agree with you. The thing that really bugs me is that the demons's dialogue are as if they are not demons but real life humans. Malfurion getting too op really pissed me off too. I kinda wish there was a mission or cinematic that a titan appears out of nowhere and kills him.
That's only realistic if the person in question is already pretty crazy, which Malfurion wasn't and didn't have any reason to be.
Well yeah, he had help, but a lot of his success is due to his personal power, which everyone just has to mention every time they're talking to him for some reason. I mean, somehow, he can do all sorts of things with this magic that he's never worked with before(like the weird blood in the fountain thing) so good for him, but at certain points it just gets obnoxious.
Yes, we get it, Malfurion is amazing and OP, shut up about it already. And the dragons/Cenarious not only had plenty of time to focus on Malfurion after Tyrande told them about him, but even in the eleventh hour they didn't rally themselves and focused on him at Hyjal. Yes, the Naga and Legion were there too, and at some point they went on the offensive, but why didn't the Aspects themselves stay behind with Medivh to fend off Malfurion, or at least stay with together with Ysera? He's already destroyed Cenarius and has succeded in everything he wanted, his track record making him already more dangerous and damaging that Kil'jaeden* has during this campaign. And letting ALL of this aside, Nozdormu can see the future, why didn't he see this coming? And let's say there were too many possible futures, he mentioned that he WENT back in time and saved some people, so why not go to his past self and the other aspects and warn them of all of this so they could be prepared? Why not kill Malfurion directly before he wakes, actually.
Oh right, I know that campaign. Didn't play through it entirely though. And I take it this Campaign universe is also tied to Jeopardy of the Horde or something similar? The last stand at the end looked like that Orc town Drek'thar established.
I think it's mentioned, correct me if I'm wrong, that Sargeras and Archimonde were killed.
Here's the thing. Demons in Warcraft, and pretty much any fictional universe I know of, do not HAVE democratic systems where they vote for their leaders. Charisma doesn't matter in the least here, it's all about power and intelligence(up to a point), and there's no way the Legion would follow a dumb Pit Lord over an Eredar like Kil'jaeden. There's just no comparison. And being snide towards him when it's admitted that the Legion can't rebel against him because he's too strong is just stupid. He's also kind of dumb since he doesn't do anything to curb disrespectful behaviour but eh.
@FallenStar that cinematic is far from realistic. I mean you cant just tell your boss that he is a failure and get no punishment not to mention theyre demons and somehow Sargeras didnt do anything to Kj after he was called a failure. What I am talking about is that whenever I read the dialogues, they are talking like real life humans especially since underlings talk as if they are on equal footing with their master. Also getting mad is natural for a demon. In fact I think it is the only emotion that any demon will feel. Yeah the story showed furion's journey but it is still annoying tho. I honestly thought Malfurion and Kj would both end up dead and I think he only consumed two fountains and that slightly bothers me since I find it doubtful that two powerups from some fountain would be enough. So can I ask this. Is the Legion and Scourge in this universe not as strong and their masters not as powerful as they are in the original warcraft lore? Because if they arent then it would explain how easily they are defeated
1: Rowan the Wise - What happens to the Scourge, the reveal of a custom character that triggers many events in Malfurion's Quest
That cutscene was made by Blizzard and that's how they view their demon lord. If you do not agree with the developer's point of view that's your choice and I respect it.
There's no concrete view on how 'demons' should be in the Warcraft universe.
The idea of orcs, for example, is that they're just as ruthless as the demons in some universes such as Lord of the Rings. The Blackrock clan is the closest to that as we can get but we've also noticed that Thrall and other Orcs do have emotions and feelings pretty much like humans but with different ideologies and appearances..
The same can be said about demonic clans. There are different classes, they think, they act different and they also talk differently.
If their presentation does not meet your expectations, then that's entirely alright but your ' how they should be' is a point that can be debated since it's mostly your preference on it.
The Corruption that Malfurion has it's ever growing. It spreads throughout his body in the story gradually. Absorbing the fountains' powers just hastens the process. And he does absorb more than 2 fountains of powers, those beings the one present in 'Shattered Skies' when the player has to recover Malfurion's powers.
The Legion and the Scourge are very powerful but the difference between the original and this alternative universe is that they're in conflict and quite separated which makes them less united for the same goal.
Oh now I see. I never read what those fountains were called in Shattered Skies. Now that I think about it Malfurion's skin did change twice or thrice I think during the whole campaign. I really need to pay attention to the details.
What I mean by demons talking like humans was shown in the interlude after Malfurion shattered the lands around Hyjal. Shahraz got infuriated at Kj and he was like explaining himself. That part reminds me of like a family arguing where one would just try to comfort the other even tho they know it's their fault and even tho I find it really entertaining, it still feels weird and to be honest I actually thought Kj would kill her for speaking like that.
Also based on your reply, in terms of strength I guess original warcraft lore scourge and legion > this universe scourge and legion?
Another thing. Can I ask for spoilers? Are we gonna find out who that voice was that made Malfurion consume the first fountain and where the fountains came from?
The Sentinel Storyline isn't finished yet. That's why it's disabled to destroy the fountain.Hi Turnro, thanks for the excellent campaign, I've completed the highborne campaign and really enjoyed it! (dark as it is)
Can the sentinel storyline be played yet? If so how do I play it?
As of now my campaign in mission 2 has no option to destroy the fountain.
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Hi, I'm wondering if this item can be somehow obtained or just an Easter egg, screenshot ->WC3-Scrn-Shot-051419-152804-01.
Hello everyone I've just watched the trailer of the map and its just crazy I already love it.
I do my best thru the whole day to somehow start this map and play it but unfortunately I cant see it in my warcraft 3.
When I start the game and try to find the map and play it I cant find it.
Where could be the problem ? I'm using patch 1.30 and also 1.26.
What patch I need ? Or do i have to put the map in " maps " folder ?
Any help will be veeeeeery appreciate it !!!
I just updated the game to 1.31. and I am unable to load the old save files of this Campaign and furthermore if I just start the latest chapter (7) it crashes at a certain point. Is there any way to solve this problem, or to patch back to 1.30.?
Hi How do you roll back patch from 1.31 to 1.30?I just updated the game to 1.31. and I am unable to load the old save files of this Campaign and furthermore if I just start the latest chapter (7) it crashes at a certain point. Is there any way to solve this problem, or to patch back to 1.30.?
Hello.I have problem,where game crash at certain point in chapter two. Patch version :1.31, Malfurion's Quest 1.4b
Actually, game crash every time I encounter large cluster of highborn.This didn't happen before,I've alrdy finish 1.2 version(to chepter 6),so I decided to start over.Does anyone have same issue?Could it be that 1.31 patch is faulty?
Alright. I guess we wait. Thank you for the campaing.Yes, patch version 1.31.1 is buggy. There isn't much I can do at the moment as the bugs are as a result of the game itself, and will hopefully be patched in the next Blizzard update.
What can I do?
Hello,Turnro!How are you?Given that the campaign has only been just released, it might be best to pull off from translating it until a later stage.
Hello,Turnro!How are you?
I thought that " a later stage" which you said has arrived and I can translaring this campaign officially right now .I hope you can be in favor of me.
Yes. The thing I need is trust. I will translate the campaign without any change which beyond translation trust me on this, no much else.Is there anything you require from me in order to potentially translate the campaign?
Btw I could transalte into russian I'm good at that
Also I didn't quite get what could I do to fix my bug