[Campaign] Malfurion's Quest

[Yrk]

Hi Turnro ,

It looks good at the screenshot , Keep up the good job , I can't wait

In addition, I am currently considering if in-game cheat should be disabled for Malfurion's Quest (by making the player lose if they use a common cheat like "whosyourdaddy"). Feel free to let me know what you think about this idea, and whether or not it is something that you would like/ not like to see in the campaign.

I like the idea Turnro , Nice !!

 

[knight26]

I think you should make an Easy difficulty where cheats are available, but on Normal and Hard they're not.
Because some people might want to see how the story develops, but suck at warcraft. This way they don't rage quit
Of course then, Normal and Hard should have bonuses.. I would like some cool items as reward :3

 

[Deleted member 219079]

What, cheats are disabled? Unsubscribing...

 

[Shar Dundred]

Disabling cheats? Seems reasonable. "whosyourdaddy" for example can completely destroy cinematics that include fights since every computer unit dies after one hit. It's up to you, but I wouldn't mind if that was included. However, I think players should be warned about that when starting a mission (or at least at the start of the campaign).

I think you should make an Easy difficulty where cheats are available, but on Normal and Hard they're not.
Because some people might want to see how the story develops, but suck at warcraft. This way they don't rage quit

This sounds like a good idea.

 

[Yousef]

What, cheats are disabled? Unsubscribing...

Cheats are not yet disabled.

Anyway, Turnro I totally agree with Knight26.
Don't let those who hate this make you regret your choice, its really great idea with Knight26 here.

 

[Yrk]

What, cheats are disabled? Unsubscribing...

Its not disabled yet .

I think you should make an Easy difficulty where cheats are available, but on Normal and Hard they're not.
Because some people might want to see how the story develops, but suck at warcraft. This way they don't rage quit
Of course then, Normal and Hard should have bonuses.. I would like some cool items as reward :3

Anyway, Turnro I totally agree with Knight26.
Don't let those who hate this make you regret your choice, its really great idea with Knight26 here.

Maybe I was wrong :/ , Sorry

I agree with knight26 and yousef

 

[Vinz]

Hm, maybe enable cheats on all difficulties? It is the player's choice after all.

 

[Turnro]

I think you should make an Easy difficulty where cheats are available, but on Normal and Hard they're not.
Because some people might want to see how the story develops, but suck at warcraft. This way they don't rage quit
Of course then, Normal and Hard should have bonuses.. I would like some cool items as reward :3

I would have never thought of this. You're right, cheats should not be disabled in Easy difficulty mode.

Hm, maybe enable cheats on all difficulties? It is the player's choice after all.

I guess that would depend largely on what difficulty setting the player chooses in the first place. If the player chooses Hard mode, then it is assumed that they are up for a challenge. Allowing them to cheat would rob them of that experience.

I guess the best I can do is have cheats disabled for both Normal and Hard mode and wait for player feedback (when the time comes, of course).

 

[youness]

Awesome, but it will be difficultés if Malfurion de in battle.

 

[Edge45]

I guess that would depend largely on what difficulty setting the player chooses in the first place. If the player chooses Hard mode, then it is assumed that they are up for a challenge. Allowing them to cheat would rob them of that experience.

I guess the best I can do is have cheats disabled for both Normal and Hard mode and wait for player feedback (when the time comes, of course).

I Agree with this one

 

[knight26]

Yes, having cheats at your disposal at all times really ruins the challenge, because you don't really care while taking risks and simply lay back, because there's a cheat code to insure victory. But when you have to maybe replay a few times, try different strategies, that's all worth it.

 

[Darxy]

Hello everyone! This is just a quick post to inform you of my progress of Malfurion's Quest.

Firstly, Chapter 4 Part 1 of the Highborne storyline is well on its way to having its initial version completed (which I am aiming to have done by 31st August). Once done, I will immediately start on making Chapter 4 of the Sentinel storyline.

Please note that once I have completed this map, I will not be uploading it to download from the forum.

In addition, I am currently considering if in-game cheats should be disabled for Malfurion's Quest (by making the player lose if they use a common cheat like "whosyourdaddy"). Feel free to let me know what you think about this idea, and whether or not it is something that you would like/ not like to see in the campaign.

I don't really care about other cheats but you should definitely leave out "allyourbasearebelongtous" because it would be a pain to redo all the missions once you download the campaign with new maps.

 

[Shar Dundred]

I don't really care about other cheats but you should definitely leave out "allyourbasearebelongtous" because it would be a pain to redo all the missions once you download the campaign with new maps.

This cheat doesn't work in any custom campaign. He'd have to make an extra trigger for that. Might be a good idea however.

 

[knight26]

I don't really care about other cheats but you should definitely leave out "allyourbasearebelongtous" because it would be a pain to redo all the missions once you download the campaign with new maps.

He will only upload the finished version, so there's really no need for such a cheat. Besides, if he did that, the balance would be impossible

 

[kakuzu]

Turnro , dont ban using cheat , for me is not so important but not everybody are pro and some people may hate you , and maybe some people use cheat for fun . If want to ban cheats you maybe try this : easy mode (al cheats allowed ) normal mode ( all cheats except whosyourdaddy ) and hard mode ( no cheats , only strategy )

 

[Atshiel]

I agree , if they want to play a challenge they must play it without cheats , that's adds more fun at least for me , if people don't like you because you disable cheats then they are a typical of those ....well i will say "conceited" that says "I can defeat every challenge no matter what it haves" and when you see how play that person he used every time "Warpten" or "thereisnospoon" or whosyourdaddy to defeat the opponent.

 

[MogulKahn]

Can't wait to try this out ! =)

 

[Turnro]

... If want to ban cheats you maybe try this : easy mode (al cheats allowed ) normal mode ( all cheats except whosyourdaddy ) and hard mode ( no cheats , only strategy )

Yes, perhaps this is the best way to go about disabling cheats

 

[vinh834]

I agree , if they want to play a challenge they must play it without cheats , that's adds more fun at least for me , if people don't like you because you disable cheats then they are a typical of those ....well i will say "conceited" that says "I can defeat every challenge no matter what it haves" and when you see how play that person he used every time "Warpten" or "thereisnospoon" or whosyourdaddy to defeat the opponent.

Then you are free to play without cheats. Others, however, have their own choice if they want to. You cannot disallow someone to play the game their way simply because YOU, don't like the way they play.

 

[Atshiel]

Then you are free to play without cheats. Others, however, have their own choice if they want to. You cannot disallow someone to play the game their way simply because YOU, don't like the way they play.

I didn't say that i will disallow , i say that i agree if he wants to disable the cheats.
Besides , the modes of play that kakuzu said are good.

EDIT:Also maybe "allyourbasearebelongtous" be disabled in Normal as well?

 

[kakuzu]

Yes, perhaps this is the best way to go about disabling cheats

I am glad you like it my idea , and maybe in hard version you can allow one cheat iseedeadpeople , it doesnt change the gameplay . What you think ?

 

[Turnro]

I am glad you like it my idea , and maybe in hard version you can allow one cheat iseedeadpeople , it doesnt change the gameplay . What you think ?

At the moment, I've been looking at all the cheats available to use in the game. Although I would like to disable them all in Hard difficulty, there is no possible way to detect them all with the World Editor.

So to answer your question, there will be a couple of cheats that you will still be able to use because it would be impractical to disable them. However, "iseedeadpeople" is a cheat that will be disabled since it ruins exploration on the player's behalf. This cheat also allows easy defending during base building missions (having full vision of the map against other players surprisingly gives you quite an unfair advantage).

 

[Yrk]

Hi Turnro ,

What progress are you by now ?

 

[Turnro]

Hi Turnro ,

What progress are you by now ?

Hi Yrk,

Read this post I made a couple of days ago: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/map-development-202/malfurions-quest-249325/index10.html#post2575073

 

[Krotos]

Hi Krotos,

When did you play the Demo? I have encountered this bug before, but I thought I fixed it.

Either way, I'll look into this issue.

I played it back in July/August so it's the most current version unless you updated it since then.

 

[Turnro]

I played it back in July/August so it's the most current version unless you updated it since then.

You are right, this bug was a problem. I just didn't notice it the first time lol

I have looked into it and fixed the problem. Arcane Explosion will work as it should in the final version of Malfurion's Quest.

 

[knight26]

You could usethis for the Highborne buildings. It looks pretty decently made.

 

[Sclammerz]

I can't wait for this., Anyways goodluck.

 

[kakuzu]

Hey Turnro, Illidan will be playable ? How about Ysera ?

 

[Shar Dundred]

I just remembered that I played a late chapter of this campaign a long time ago. Very long. It was all about fighting Illidan and Highborne and was Chapter Seven, I think. Will this mission be included in the final version or was it simply a test chapter?

 

[Turnro]

You could usethis for the Highborne buildings. It looks pretty decently made.

Thanks for this. I'll have a look at this model in-game, since it looks a lot similar to the model I already use.

Hey Turnro, Illidan will be playable ? How about Ysera ?

What? You want me to spoil the story for you?

I'm sorry, but I cannot answer this question

I just remembered that I played a late chapter of this campaign a long time ago. Very long. It was all about fighting Illidan and Highborne and was Chapter Seven, I think. Will this mission be included in the final version or was it simply a test chapter?

That map was made a long time ago, when the story of Malfurion's Quest wasn't fleshed out much.

At first, I was going to have that map included in the campaign. However, as time past and the story formed (my map making skills also got a lot better,) I decided to omit the map completely.

 

[Turnro]

Hey guys! It's time for another update on my progress towards Malfurion's Quest.

CHEAT DISABLING

Based on the feedback I received, cheats will be disabled based on the difficulty of the game. For each difficulty:

EASY - No cheats disabled
NORMAL - whosyourdaddy is disabled
HARD - All cheats are disabled*

* I say all cheats but realistically, I haven't made the campaign disable every cheat in Warcraft 3 because some of them are only easter eggs. However, the following cheats will been disabled in Hard mode:
- whosyourdaddy
- greedisgood
- warpten
- thereisnospoon
- iseedeadpeople
- ... and many more!


HOTKEYS

The hotkeys for unit spells, buildings, unit training and upgrades have all been changed based on the QWER compilation. This is to allow easier control over your units and armies.

If you have custom hotkeys set for Warcraft 3, they will replace the preset ones for Malfurion's Quest.


CUSTOM BACKGROUND MUSIC

Malfurion's Quest will now have custom background music play throughout its missions. I have played a lot of custom campaigns over the years, and noticed that they only have one song play constantly throughout the map. However, this campaign will implement background music at a greater level by having several songs play during each map, one after the other. The amount of songs that can be played are unlimited (I can have 8 songs play in random order if I wanted to).

Since this is a feature I haven't done much before, I will only add custom background music to Chapter 4. I will then wait for user feedback before deciding what to do next.

 

[kakuzu]

I am glad that you made the cheat system by my suggestion . This is the best way , i think

 

[Edge45]

Hey guys! It's time for another update on my progress towards Malfurion's Quest.

CHEAT DISABLING

Based on the feedback I received, cheats will be disabled based on the difficulty of the game. For each difficulty:

EASY - No cheats disabled
NORMAL - whosyourdaddy is disabled
HARD - All cheats are disabled*

* I say all cheats but realistically, I haven't made the campaign disable every cheat in Warcraft 3 because some of them are only easter eggs. However, the following cheats will been disabled in Hard mode:
- whosyourdaddy
- greedisgood
- warpten
- thereisnospoon
- iseedeadpeople
- ... and many more!


HOTKEYS

The hotkeys for unit spells, buildings, unit training and upgrades have all been changed based on the QWER compilation. This is to allow easier control over your units and armies.

If you have custom hotkeys set for Warcraft 3, they will replace the preset ones for Malfurion's Quest.


CUSTOM BACKGROUND MUSIC

Malfurion's Quest will now have custom background music play throughout its missions. I have played a lot of custom campaigns over the years, and noticed that they only have one song play constantly throughout the map. However, this campaign will implement background music at a greater level by having several songs play during each map, one after the other. The amount of songs that can be played are unlimited (I can have 8 songs play in random order if I wanted to).

Since this is a feature I haven't done much before, I will only add custom background music to Chapter 4. I will then wait for user feedback before deciding what to do next.

Nice, no more cheating! (^_^ I like it)
By the way, are you gonna update the beta or just finish the Campaign
without updating the Beta?, (just asking)

 

[neven1]

Can't wait to play it.

 

[Turnro]

Nice, no more cheating! (^_^ I like it)
By the way, are you gonna update the beta or just finish the Campaign
without updating the Beta?, (just asking)

At the moment, there doesn't seem to be any point of updating the Demo version. As I continue to make Malfurion's Quest, the already existing maps get continuously updated.

Perhaps I might consider it latter on during development. However, if I do, people would expect more maps to be included in the Demo

 

[Turnro]

Time for another update

Here are a few gameplay screenshots from Chapter 4 Part 1 of the Highborne storyline:

 

[kakuzu]

It look very good . Keep it work.

 

[MogulKahn]

I am not big fan of that Furion's skin, but your work is great ! Good job !

 

[Sclammerz]

Yes. Screenshots!

 

[kakuzu]

Also where do you got the Malfurion new skin ?

 

[knight26]

Looks awesome Keep it up

 

[Turnro]

Also where do you got the Malfurion new skin ?

The skin was based off a Ra skin I found on Hive. The original skin had white skin, but it was changed so it could be used in Malfurion's Quest.

 

[Heinvers]

Great work Turnro. It looks appealing

 

[kakuzu]

Hey Turnro how about to change Malfurion Force of Nature ability (in the sentinel story ) with Gardians of the Forests (an ability who use trees in an area to create 2-3 mini forest golems ). What you think ?

 

[Vinz]

These look nice. The skills are interesting.

 

[Edge45]

Lovely and great ,
Actually I dislike Furion being evil (evil evil evil evil), but damn I love how you made them

 

[kakuzu]

I saw something strange in the third picture , this is the highborne storyline , but Malfurion control the sentinels . That strange.

 

[Turnro]

Hey Turnro how about to change Malfurion Force of Nature ability (in the sentinel story ) with Gardians of the Forests (an ability who use trees in an area to create 2-3 mini forest golems ). What you think ?

Thanks for the suggestion kakuzu, but I don't see how Guardians of the Forest is in any way advantageous over Force of Nature.

I saw something strange in the third picture , this is the highborne storyline , but Malfurion control the sentinels . That strange.

The chapter will make more sense once you know the story

 

[kakuzu]

I choose Guardians of the Forest because it will be the difference between Furion and Malfurion ( Furion Force of Nature and Malfurion Guardians of the Forest ) , somekind of upgrade .