Hero Contest #2 - Results

[busterkomo]

Hero Contest Results

First of all, I'd think to thank everyone for entering. The contest was quite a success, with over 30 entrants.

Disqualified Entrants

For one reason or another, the following contestants have been disqualified:

XS-Archangle (Didn't provide his submission in his post).
Billy the Cat (Used a knockback system).
Aspard (Used a knockback/jump system).
scorpion182 (Used a knockback system).
T-Revellion-T (Banned).
Saia Djin (Used xe and a knockback system)
.LsD (Hero had 5 abilities)
HaileFireer (Pastebin link expired. You should have used the longest option for something like this, or just attached your submission to your post)

Scores

Septimus

Originality: 3/5

Balance: 3/5

Coding: 1.75/10

Theme: 7.5/10

Total: 15.25/30

aaron79

Originality: 3/5

Balance: 2/5

Coding: 3/10

Theme: 4/10

Total: 12/30

Lancer1111

Originality: 2/5

Balance: 3/5

Coding: 1/10

Theme: 6/10

Total: 12/30

calex3

Originality: 4/5

Balance: 2.5/5

Coding: 4/10

Theme: 7/10

Total: 17.5/30

fagge

Originality: 2/5

Balance: 2/5

Coding: 1.5/10

Theme: 6/10

Total: 11.5/30

MultiGod

Originality: 2.5/5

Balance: 2/5

Coding: 1.5/10

Theme: 4/10

Total: 10/30

Bane

Originality: 3.5/5

Balance: 2.5/5

Coding: 1.5/10

Theme: 6/10

Total: 13.5/30

krisserz

Originality: 3/5

Balance: 2.5/5

Coding: 1.5/10

Theme: 6.5/10

Total: 13.5/30

warden13

Originality: 2.5/5

Balance: 3/5

Coding: 2.5/10

Theme: 7/10

Total: 15/30

Martin Barboy

Originality: 4/5

Balance: 3/5

Coding: 2.5/10

Theme: 7.5/10

Total: 17/30

Rmx

Originality: 4.5/5

Balance: 2.75/5

Coding: 4/10

Theme: 8/10

Total: 19.25/30

Zack1996

Originality: 2/5

Balance: 2.5/5

Coding: 5/10

Theme: 6/10

Total: 15.5/30

Jawzy

Originality: 1/5

Balance: 2/5

Coding: 0/10

Theme: 4/10

Total: 7/30

Yearight

Originality: 4/5

Balance: 3/5

Coding: 4/10

Theme: 7/10

Total: 18/30

M4stah

Originality: 3/5

Balance: 3.5/5

Coding: 2.5/10

Theme: 7/10

Total: 16/30

xD.Schurke

Originality: 4/5

Balance: 4/5

Coding: 9/10

Theme: 8/10

Total: 25/30

Mage Goo

Originality: 3/5

Balance: 2.5/5

Coding: 3/10

Theme: 4/10

Total: 12.5/30

Xiliger

Originality: 3/5

Balance: 4/5

Coding: 3/10

Theme: 7/10

Total: 17/30

Kingz

Originality: 4/5

Balance: 4/5

Coding: 7.5/10

Theme: 9/10

Total: 24.5/30

Sabelion

Originality: 3/5

Balance: 1/5

Coding: 2/10

Theme: 7.5/10

Total: 13.5/30

Palaslayer

Originality: 3.5/5

Balance: 4/5

Coding: 7.5/10

Theme: 6.5/10

Total: 21.5/30

-BerZerKeR-

Originality: 3/5

Balance: 2.5/5

Coding: 4.25/10

Theme: 5.5/10

Total: 15.25/30

Pharaoh_

Originality: 4/5

Balance: 4/5

Coding: 3/10

Theme: 5/10

Total: 16/30

Zpider

Originality: 1.5/5

Balance: 4/5

Coding: 1.5/10

Theme: 3/10

Total: 10/30

Krarnal

Originality: 3/5

Balance: 2.5/5

Coding: 1/10

Theme: 3/10

Total: 9.5/30

Xarwin

Originality: 3.5/5

Balance: 3.5/5

Coding: 5/10

Theme: 7/10

Total: 19/30

Roflcopter

Originality: 3/5

Balance: 3/5

Coding: 4/10

Theme: 7/10

Total: 17/30

-JonNny

Originality: 3.5/5

Balance: 3/5

Coding: 7.5/10

Theme: 7/10

Total: 21/30

Billy the Cat

Originality: 4/5

Balance: 4/5

Coding: 3.5/10

Theme: 7.5/10

Total: 19/30

Winners

First Place: xD.Schurke

Second Place: Kingz

Third Place: Palaslayer

Edit: I've added something up wrong in the judging (there were a lot of entries, cut me some slack).

 

[HFR]

What surprises me are the users who got disqualified by using systems. They're a fairly ammount of the total number of entries.

And good luck, for both 3.

 

[calex3]

Congrats xD.Shurke and Kingz too....and Palaslayer too.....

 

[Rmx]

Congrats To All 3 of you ....

I came Fifth

 

[Xarwin]

I failed from my chair.
Gratz to the winners.

 

[Kwah]

Wait . . .

People were disqualified for using systems? What the fuck?

EDIT: I realize it was in the rules, but . . . still fail.

 

[Cr34p]

gz to kingz and pala :O... hm thought things like knockback would be allowed

 

[Septimus]

Originality: 3/5

Balance: 3/5

Coding: 1.75/10

Theme: 7.5/10

Total: 15.25/30

lol.... cause only 1 spells was trigger. If all spells was trigger, I could possibly earn more..

 

[Saia_Djinn]

GRATZ TO THE WINNERS


But i got a few things to say =D

i even asked if i can use xeSee here ,i didnt get a clear answer so its my fault and holding to the rules is necessary(this is no sarcasm just a fact to keep the cleaness) but its fine for me
[Suggestions: allow systems in next contests coz it provides fast and good codes and i think nearly every mapper uses the standarts of 2009 which includes in my opinion xe (the not forbidden Group- and TimerUtils)and for a good knockback its a knocksystem( writing a own just makes it a much longer and not that performant code)]

Question: could u tell me maybe my coding points? coz i only saw xd. having 9 points and i am interrested what mine had been to learn out of it for the future or if my code was fine

 

[HFR]

lol.... cause only 1 spells was trigger. If all spells was trigger, I could possibly earn more..

Of course, what do you expected? 10/10 for blizzard-based spells?

 

[Kwah]

Saia_Djinn - Using xe in your code is generally a good thing.

 

[M4stah]

Congratulations to all winners!
I was wondering if you have comments on the heroes and if you could sort the contestants on point amount.

 

[busterkomo]

Saia_Djinn - Using xe in your code is generally a good thing.

Yes, just not when in contests where one's coding ability is being judged.

 

[-Berz-]

Congratz to the winners

 

[Bane]

The balance section of this was retarded, hard to understand and impossible to balance it with melee heroes because there wasnt another player playing the enemy units.

 

[-JonNny]

Congrats to all winners ;D
i got 4th
hmm.. kinda scalar based results but anyway, a comment for each of those spells would have taken more time. so this was actually kinda fast
thought i would have want to know why i got some dockted ratings

For example i really took alot effort in creating a Hero with a Concept, with Spells corresponding to his story with a planned theme
so im kinda disappointed to get -3 points there but thats also a matter of opinion ....

anyway , to be 4th of 26 is quite ok but still a shame to be right below of the winner places ;<

Edit
took a look at some other ratings.. to be honest i cannot retrace many of them
for example that Kinz get 9/10 for his theme? i really liked his spell and dont want to tell its bad
but to be honest his "synenergy" wanst the most creative imo
kinda the Tinkers Ability which passivly increases the damage/effect of other spells
dunno how you rated it
also its your opinion of many things
and i may just have another
but you could have atleast calculated my score correctly ....

-JonNny

Originality: 3.5/5

Balance: 3/5

Coding: 7.5/10

Theme: 7/10

Total: 20.5/30

it just made me lol, increases my impression even more thats some things are quickly done
anyway... everybody can make mistakes

you did a fast job and i like to see the results now ... but to be straigh honest thats definitely not the best judgement i can imagine

 

[scorpion182]

Disqualified ...nvm

 

[DoOs_101]

The balance section of this was retarded, hard to understand and impossible to balance it with melee heroes because there wasnt another player playing the enemy units.

I totally agree with what you're saying. The notion of balance is relative to a gameplay. Just like how an object's motion is relative to which plane it is moving, the Heroes balance qualification is relative to which "gameplay". By means of gameplay, I'm saying a complete game with all heroes and factors in it. Without this, it is hard to determine what is balanced and what is not...

Maybe next time there's another hero competition, no need for the balance factor, you could very well just enforce a rule that limit the damage output or range of the spells the Heroes have thereby not having submissions with Godlike Heroes.... Or point a reference to what type of gameplay the Heroes are for.

 

[Cr34p]

ehm balance was descriped:

Balance: How balanced the hero is compared to standard melee heroes.

 

[DoOs_101]

ehm balance was descriped:

By means of gameplay, I'm saying a complete game with all heroes and factors in it. Without this, it is hard to determine what is balanced and what is not...

You cannot compare all heroes to standard melee heroes, since those themselves are imbalanced and in a melee gameplay, the Heroes are not central. Technically only works if you compare it to a gameplay where the Heroes are central.

 

[NearbyHermit]

Well,this turned out pretty screwed!

Anyway,congratulations to the winners.

 

[-JonNny]

You cannot compare all heroes to standard melee heroes, since those themselves are imbalanced and in a melee gameplay, the Heroes are not central. Technically only works if you compare it to a gameplay where the Heroes are central.

In some ways you can
imo this affects the editability of the spell (the idea itself) and its power
means a spell killing 3/5/7 units instantly would be imbalanced even if you edit the values
Spells should match to warcraft and got its own special not overpowered use
I took care of that, compared Damage and cooldown with similar spells
E.g. my Combusting Brood with Chainlightning
A Single targeted Spell with Stormbold
My Ultimate Summon with Doomgard and the Wardens Summon
I initialized fights between those summon and checked if the hero does have have to strong AOE or single targeted Spells directly compared to other Heroes
but all in all i think that rating is still kinda... opinion based...
i thought my hero was really well balanced
but pathetic 3 points do not look so

 

[DoOs_101]

In some ways you can
imo this affects the editability of the spell (the idea itself) and its power
means a spell killing 3/5/7 units instantly would be imbalanced even if you edit the values
Spells should match to warcraft and got its own special not overpowered use
I took care of that, compared Damage and cooldown with similar spells
E.g. my Combusting Brood with Chainlightning
A Single targeted Spell with Stormbold
My Ultimate Summon with Doomgard and the Wardens Summon
I initialized fights between those summon and checked if the hero does have have to strong AOE or single targeted Spells directly compared to other Heroes
but all in all i think that rating is still kinda... opinion based...
i thought my hero was really well balanced
but pathetic 3 points do not look so

Your point actually proves my point lol .
In order to make sure those judgments are not biased, then the testing environment has to be in a place where the gameplay is fixed with the Heroes (just think of making a new hero in DotA and testing it by playing dota with the hero 100x)... Ofcourse this does not fully apply in a situation where you compare the heroes to standard melee heroes...

 

[MultiGod]

the coding should be rated by memory leaks existence. not eye-candies or triggered spell existence. but man! :shocked: I thought mine was pretty creative! "Infernalist". Don't ya think so?

 

[Xarwin]

I think that the rate of one judge is a fail (no offense towards you buster).
More judges would made it a lot more interesting.
As you know, people have their own vision about things and how weird it sounds, they will rate things they like higher then something else.
This is prevented with multiple judges and different opinions.

 

[DoOs_101]

I think that the rate of one judge is a fail (no offense towards you buster).
More judges would made it a lot more interesting.
As you know, people have their own vision about things and how weird it sounds, they will rate things they like higher then something else.
This is prevented with multiple judges and different opinions.

zomg... I thought there were several judges, this is fail even worse...

 

[Septimus]

the coding should be rated by memory leaks existence. not eye-candies or triggered spell existence. but man! :shocked: I thought mine was pretty creative! "Infernalist". Don't ya think so?

How leak free, efficient, and well structured the coding of the map is

It is indeed rated on how efficient it was.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

Some days I wish the staff would just punch some of you people in the face.

 

[Xarwin]

I adjust (off topic): Some days I wish the staff would just punch some of you people in the face.

We're just talking about the competition, please stay on topic.
Anyway.
A public vote could turn out good too, but many people would abuse it that way.

 

[Kwah]

Some days I wish the staff would just punch some of you people in the face.

It seems that QFT'ing Dusk is all that I do in these threads anymore, but really.

EDIT: I'll go look at the heroes and see what I come back with. Probably take a while.

EDIT 2: XS-Archangel, you hero seems not to exist. Send it to me if you want.

 

[Eccho]

I think that the rate of one judge is a fail (no offense towards you buster).

Blaim me for that >.>

 

[-Berz-]

Stop crying... And be happy that the results are up.

Now feel free to flame me

 

[Xarwin]

I am not blaming anyone dude.
Everyone has his own life and his own things to do.
I'm just saying it would be better with more judges.
And yes Berzeker, I am happy ;P

 

[Paladon]

Congratulations Schurke, Kingz and Pala.

The judging results partially seem a bit weird and not really matching in my opinion, but whatever.

 

[Bane]

ehm balance was descriped:

mine WAS balanced to melee heroes when there was somone playing the melee hero, but i got like a 2/5 on balance because the judges idea of balance was burning all of my heroes spells and just wacking on a non-ai melee hero, of course im gonna win, its retarded.

i also understand that my coding was bad (lots of leaks) but i got liek a 12/30 and i had great synergy and unique spells. i got like a 2.5/5 for originality, iv never seen a hero that can smmon a sword that mimics his abilities, this shit was rigged in my opinion but whatever.

 

[Destructor [DoR]]

I dont know how someone can rate the balance of so many heroes in such a short time... you could only say that the heroe seems balanced = 1 point or the heroe is too strong =0 points.

 

[Roflcoptor]

I wonder if any GUI hero got more than 4.25 pts Oo

Congrats to the winners!


Btw is it possible to get more detailed indormation, or some explanation about ratings sooner or later buster?

 

[Rmx]

As far as i know, all the results are " BAD " nothing here is really Reviewed nicely " No offense ", but i am sure that coding in GUI should get more than 4 !

Also about the balance, well all things are WRONG.

Just explain or tell us something, don't hide behind your shadow !

 

[busterkomo]

I'd be more than happy to justify any specific ratings.

 

[Roflcoptor]

Well in this case, tell me more about my coding, please.

Did I miss any leaks, or is it just general GUI-ineffeciency, what gave the 4?

Thanks in advantage

 

[busterkomo]

general GUI-ineffeciency

This.

 

[Roflcoptor]

Well ok, glad that it wasn't my sucking coding

Btw good job on fast judging

EDIT: SO i guess, the maximum for GUI was 4 points?

And berz got that 0.25 pts for having one spell in full custom script?

Or am I wrong?

 

[-JonNny]

I'd be more than happy to justify any specific ratings.

hmm.. ok , then why not
im interested why i got 60% score of Balance, dont know what should be imbalanced there
Or the 7/10 rating of the theme, i mean, they got a special synenergy which is not just a increase and affects gameplay , never seen such a synenergy before.. <.< doest seem to affect my originality score too

anyway, maybe im a perfectionist sometimes :/ i just love my livework that much

but especially i want to know why 3.5 + 3.0 + 7.5 + 7.0 equals 20.5 ;D

thanks in advance

 

[Kwah]

but especially i want to know why 3.5 + 3.0 + 7.5 + 7.0 equals 20.5 ;D

Lul'd. You're actually tied for third.

EDIT: Anyway, DL'd all the heroes and will be going through them myself over the next week. Don't know why I'd do this to myself.

 

[Rmx]

It would be more usefull if the contest if judged by another mod, anyway it would be also fair ...

Let's say DSG .. the doctor super GOOD !, he could review all heroes

I think it is better to see not from one thinking, two minds better than one

 

[busterkomo]

Updated first post to correct the error on my part. I'll consult Eccho as to which entry will be given third place.

 

[Septimus]

i got like a 2.5/5 for originality, iv never seen a hero that can smmon a sword

Bane, go to spells section and look for Dark Dragon spells pack.

This.

Lol, previously when I ask would code in GUI generally get lower scores from JASS. Either Eccho or hvo said it would be judge fairly and now it said likewise...

Damn, should have make it in JASS.

 

[Zack1996]

Congratz to the winner! Somewhat expected that
My coding failed xD.
Anyway, who were the judges? They practically failed half the contestants 0_o

 

[Paladon]

hvo judged.

 

[-JonNny]

Updated first post to correct the error on my part. I'll consult Eccho as to which entry will be given third place.

Hmm.. ok , your decision
dont really want to push Palaslayer from his winning place afterwards, but though i would want to be third
Let Eccho decide, but i guess ill loose due Palaslayers spell was my favourite - thought at first he would win
else i would be also happy with 2 third places