[Group Lab] Found anything interesting that can't be solved? Lets discuss it here!

[Daffa]

So, you guys found anything interesting related to World Editor? Lets discuss it here.
Possibly we can found a solution!

The example is : ConvertAttackType(7)

Warning : Please, NO SPAMMING with useless comments, try to make this discussion healthy!

I hope this discussion can proof to be a very useful one

 

[Malhorne]

Is this supposed to contain snippets or just discussion about weird things in JASS ?
Does this work like the traditionnal Lab (luv this section btw) and we can put untested code or something xD ?

 

[Daffa]

Basically, it's almost the same, except I exclude Prototype Resources from here, so this Lab doesn't then too messy.

And yeah, I love The Lab Forum as well.

EDIT :

Here's a nice topic to start with :
We all know that PauseUnit() is very annoying. We also know that we can use SetUnitPropWindow() instead, but there are several problem with PropWindow modify. So, what is the best solution to replace PauseUnit other than the PropWindow you guys can recommend for making spells?

 

[Malhorne]

I think SetUnitPropWindow is the better since PauseUnit is bugged and a manual stop order isn't good (it is bad to spam order :3) !
The only problem is that the function GetUnitDefaultPropWindow is bugged so we have to store the default value before using it.

 

[Daffa]

Yeah, maybe it is the best alternative to pause unit, but what if the unit cast ability while the unit is knockbacked for example (AFAIR, SetUnitX/Y doesn't affect order)? Isn't that annoying?
This is what is actually bothering me.

 

[Malhorne]

PauseUnit will pause everything even the debuff on the unit so the unit will get prolonged hex or prollonged stun from stormbolt and furthermore....

Prefer SetUnitPropWindow because the order is bad since it take many actions

 

[Malhorne]

Ok this is bad for spells

 

[Rheiko]

nah, another discussion..
i'll kill all of you guys because what you've done!
i'll keep an eye on this
nice and useful discussion btw, doctor dakky.. :3
(i'm already a member of lab (not this lab (this lab (Future Gadget Laboratory))))

 

[T. D. W.]

Well, even if you store the prop window of a unit, either when saving it or when re-seting it you have to change ONE AND ONLY ONE of them into RADIANS, info by PnF
Pause unit could be the best solution, if only it didn't pause the buffs :3

 

[Daffa]

Hmmm.... What about using modified channel?
This one is quite bothering.

Pause unit could be the best solution, if only it didn't pause the buffs :3

I hope somebody for the least make something almost equal to that.

So we can have PauseUnit that doesn't actually pause everything.

Also, here's a discovery : some spells like Phoenix Fire also get stopped using PauseUnit.

 

[FUJI]

The best solution in pausing unit is STUN = Storm Bolt .

 

[Rheiko]

with stun, unit cannot use its animation

 

[Malhorne]

Yes...
I truly think the best solution is the propwindow

 

[Daffa]

I heard it's also possible using a hidden custom channel ability to PauseUnit.

 

[Malhorne]

Yes order the unit to cast a ability based on channelwith follow through time field to the pause duration.

 

[Daffa]

yeah, but in stuff like KB it can be quite buggy, I guess SetUnitPropWindow is the best alternative afterall.

 

[Malhorne]

Yes

 

[Malhorne]

We talked first about the best way to pause unit and then don't know why we talked about KB xD Jad get out of Daffa's account xD

 

[Malhorne]

SetUnitPosition does this too but the user if he is good can turn the angle of the unit or something
That's why you need something like call SetUnitPropWindow(u,0)

 

[Malhorne]

Talk about something impossible :
Change unit's armor type.
It could be possible if lua object generation works IG :/

 

[chobibo]

The channel one is the best in my opinion.

 

[T. D. W.]

@malhorne
Isn't it possible with upgrades?

 

[Malhorne]

I don't really know.

 

[T. D. W.]

I think yes

 

[Troll-Brain]

Wait wait wait, i remember something about a field for channel which can disable all unit's abilities (including the move ? 'Amov' and attack ? 'Aatk'), as a passive ability (no need to cast channel i mean, just add it to the unit) ?
Or if it doesn't disable these "hidden" abilities you can still remove them and then use a morph ability to give them back, but yeah that becomes tricky.

 

[chobibo]

You still have to order the unit to cast it, I think it's much cleaner than the morph thing but it sets the current order to the channel ability order you picked, so maybe if the unit gets stunned by another unit, the spell will end, so it's not as dependable as the morph one.

EDIT: I haven't tested this.

 

[T. D. W.]

Akh :/ i was hoping when seeing the message of the email that it was 'the' solution :/ but it seems no

 

[chobibo]

Solution to what problem Jad?

 

[T. D. W.]

Remember when we were trying to find a better alternative for pause unit then propwindow? That is the problem

 

[T. D. W.]

I found something useful! And hilarius!

 

[Troll-Brain]

Nope chobibo, i'm talking about adding channel as a passive not visible ability.
I'm sure there is an option for this ability which de-active unit abilities, but i don't remember if 'Aatk' and 'Amov' are handled.

And the morph part was beacuse once removed with UnitRemoveAbility you can't add again 'Aatk' and 'Amov'.

 

[chobibo]

I was talking about that too, the invisible channel ability.

 

[Troll-Brain]

There is a field which de-active the other abilities inside object editor, and if i'm right, no you don't need to cast channel.

 

[T. D. W.]

I think it would require a cast even if it was invisible

 

[Troll-Brain]

tests > thoughts

 

[chobibo]

I have tested it, an invisible channel casted through triggers, I used it on a request spell. I'll try uploading it later, I'm baby sitting right now.

EDIT: I wouldn't call it test though, since the guy is already using it in his map lol.

 

[Troll-Brain]

No forget it, if you need to cast it.

 

[Malhorne]

Oh yeah Troll-Brain there :3
Maker told me to use this kind of thing to render the unit unable to take orders from the owner :

    private function DisableControl takes unit u returns nothing
        call UnitAddAbility(u, 'Aloc')
        call UnitRemoveAbility(u, 'Aloc')
        if IsUnitType(u, UNIT_TYPE_HERO) then
            call UnitAddAbility(u,MORPH_ID)
            call IssueImmediateOrder(u, "metamorphosis")
            call UnitRemoveAbility(u,MORPH_ID)
        else
            call UnitAddAbility(u, BEAR_ID)
            call IssueImmediateOrder(u, "bearform")
            call UnitRemoveAbility(u, BEAR_ID)    
        endif
    endfunction

It is vJASS but just remove the private keyword and fix the globals....

 

[Troll-Brain]

Playing with 'Aloc' should cause issues, about selection stuff, pathing and such.
But maybe there are none with morph abilities i don't know.

But still at very least the coder has to use UnitMakeAbilityPermanent for all unit's abilities (can't remember the function name and currently i'm too lazy to check common.j).
And what about buffs ?

 

[Malhorne]

There is no problem with this trick

 

[T. D. W.]

and how to "enable" the unit? ^-^?

 

[Troll-Brain]

Well at very least i know that an unit will lost an ability if it's not permanent, but maybe abilities which are given to an unit through the object editor are already permanent.
And not the ones added by triggers.

Or maybe not after all, it's very old in my mind ...

 

[Malhorne]

Ah yes I forgot this xD

    private function EnableControl takes unit u returns nothing
        call ShowUnit(u,false)
        call ShowUnit(u,true)
    endfunction

 

[Troll-Brain]

And there is still the green circle selection, life bar above the unit and such after that ?

 

[Malhorne]

Yes
Check my Fear System I use it

 

[Troll-Brain]

I can't, i don't have wc3 installed anymore since a while, i'm just nostalgic there, you know.

 

[Malhorne]

Ah okay :/

 

[chobibo]

Nulling globals, what do you think about it troll-brain?

 

[Troll-Brain]

You mean that ?

Really minor, and sometimes you just can't avoid it, now if you can do it, why not.

 

[chobibo]

Not that one, but now I'm convinced it's important to null those things too...