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Favorite movie classic monster

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by MasterHaosis, Sep 22, 2019.

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Vote for your monster

  1. Dracula

    25.0%
  2. The Wolfman

    18.8%
  3. Frankenstein

    12.5%
  4. The Mummy

    6.3%
  5. Gillman (Creature from black lagoon)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. The Invisible Man

    3.1%
  7. Phantom from Opera

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde

    12.5%
  9. Dorian Gray

    6.3%
  10. The Wicked Witch

    6.3%
  11. Professor Edward C. Burke or The Man in the Beaver Hat

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. Nosferatu/Count Orlok

    9.4%
  1. MasterHaosis

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    Hello guys. I wonder what is your favorite monster from old black and white movies, which is popular even today (in many modern adaptations, stories, media etc...), and why. So, I made list for 12 characters/monsters and types/species they represent.
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    First 7 are Universal Classic Monster, 8. is included in several Universal movies, while others are classics from various movies. Each of them belongs to specific type of monsters with some exceptions, so list will be versatile and could fit different tastes.

    1. Dracula - Classical vampirism. And first association is Bela Lugosi and iconic Dracula. Later, we got tons of such movies. Man in ,,traditional vampire" elegant suit, drinks blood and has plenty of abilities such as hypnosis, transforms into bat, enhanced strength and so on. And some of weakness of course.

    2. The Wolfman - That werewolf may look ugly (not wolf like), but he is inspired by real illness which people had. So, this is the most realistic looking possible. Full moon, transformations, roaring and killing people, it all inspired later werewolf movies. Fans of those movies should vote for him.

    3. Frankenstein - Proof that God is not only who can bring life (crazy scientists can too, but cannot create soul anyway). And human's creation from several corpses made Frankenstein. Actually it got name from it's creator, Dr. Frankenstein, it was famous just as ,,Monster". Anyway, basically ,,tank monster", just brute strength and limited intelligence and is wild (because he has brain from killer). There are too many versions of Frankenstein even today. And not to forget about Bride of Frankenstein, popular as well. Fans of him or reanimated corpses should vote for him.

    4. The Mummy - Immothep is here resurrected. As old and ,,main" mummy he has plenty of powers and abilities at his disposal because of curse throwed at him. All mummy movies later are inspired by this one. So, whoever likes mummies, exotic ancient and mystic Egypt, deserts which associate with mummies should vote for him.

    5. Gillman (Creature from black lagoon) - This is one tropical water themed monster. Humanoid fish looking, powerful, swims and dives deeply, it can terrorize coasts and waters. Whoever likes this thematic should vote for him.

    6. The Invisible Man - Crazy scientist who found way to make himself completely invisible to eye. He is not monster like rest, but he is definitively dangerous as one or even more. From all Universal classical monsters he has highest score in killings! (he caused train with all wagons to fall from cliff, killing all people inside). Not as strong as others, no fancy abilities, but one cannot see him coming. Whoever likes invisibility should vote for him.

    7. Phantom from Opera - Honestly I forgot about this one much as I haven't seen him for very long time, but basically dangerous disfigured man, who is actor and masks himself much. And kills. Whoever remembers better and likes him the most should vote.

    8. Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde - Another scientist. He created potion so he can split personality. His alter ego, Mr. Hyde looks differently, like ape appearance, and is murder, wild, and fast, strong, agile, can fight with multiple men and escape them, but did not escape single bullet which killed him. Famous character, present in many movies too. Whoever wants characters with split personality should vote for him.

    9. Dorian Gray - Lesser famous and present in movies than previous monsters, but still popular. Dorian gray is human whose sold soul or did some magic to bound himself with his own portrait. So his portrait ages instead of him, which means that Dorian is actually immortal, and unlike other monsters, he is pretty actually, and used/abused it to charm women. And he is killer as well. When his portrait got stab, Dorian dies, and exchanges appearance with portrait, so at end, portrait got his pretty face, and his corpse got old disfigured face.

    10. The Wicked Witch - This wicked with came from Wizard of Oz. Her iconic appearance and behavior made her one of main symbols for witches. Green face, black suit and hat, and broom... We saw this in many movies so far and is common for Halloween costumes for girls. She has plenty of abilities as well. Whoever likes her and witchcraft should vote for her.

    11. Professor Edward C. Burke or The Man in the Beaver Hat - This is special case. This character came from ,,London after Midnight" movie which was lost. It was silent movie, before those Universal classics. This character is tricky as professor ,,The Hypnotist" actually hired actor to play this character as vampire so he can find real murderer in movie. So technically he is not monster, but he inspired many other evil characters until today with this unique scary appearance (scary face, long hat and lamp), so we saw similar characters as grave robbers/diggers and others.

    12. Nosferatu/Count Orlok - This is exception, as Dracula belonging to vampire already exists. But this Count in movie is made before Dracula himself and is different, which also made symbol for this type of vampire with different appearance. Unlike Dracula who is in elegant suit with some abilities, Nosferatu actually is hairless and has long fingers and nails, and has two sharp teeths like bat itself. Also, another main difference from Dracula is that Count Orlok brings himself plague in surrounding area, so people shortly start massively dying because of unknown disease. Now, fans of vampires needs to chose which one they like more.


    Here you got with short brief. Now vote and post comment, what and why you liked someone the most.
     
  2. Shido

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    I prefer my boy Frankie, being afraid of surrounding is something i share to him a lot. Frankie threw a girl in the lake is same as I threw my actual boyfriend in the river * as a joke/challenge*.
    I know the Bribe, unless most of the monsters are single ? Idk, correct me :D
     
  3. Mythic

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    Voted for Nosferatu. I find it fascinating.

    Runner up's Dorian Grey. I'd like for him to use me.
    Third choice would be Dracula - it wouldn't hurt to suck in style.
     
  4. Zebreva

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    Giving my nr 1 to the Wolfman even though it's the more modern Werewolves it inspired that I really like. Always fascinated by the "inner beast" theme, especially when the werewolf's human form is a socialite, paragon or other "upstanding citizen" kind of deal.
     
  5. Mr.Goblin

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    Nosferatu, hands down.... it made ... the horror movie genrah famous. With the scary forshadowing and the lighting etc.
     
  6. Championfighter25

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    Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, because they represent the constant clash between good and evil in an interesting way.
     
  7. Shar Dundred

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    Mah boi Dracula.
    One because Dracula, two because he reminds me of the times when vampires were not
    what they are now.
     
  8. Maxwell

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    Nosferatu, the classic of horror itself (comment, so MasterHaosis can rep me :cgrin:)
     
  9. Chaosy

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    I am not old enough to have seen all these old movies.

    I'd say Frankenstein' Monster is pretty cool story wise tho
     
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  10. MasterHaosis

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    Guys, so far it is good. Dracula got 4 votes so far, The Wolfman and Nosferatu got 3, Frankenstein got 2 and Dr. Jekyll and mr Hyde got 2 votes.

    @Shar Dundred , @morbent , @WhiteFang , @ClariceGonzalesBR thank you for voting. May anyone explain why did you chose Dracula himself?
    Shar Dundred, thanks for comment man! I was thinking same. Even not original storywise Dracula, he still put standard how vampires look. And mostly Halloween costumes are either him or Nosferatu. Good old mysterious gentleman which turns into bat and attack ladies at night. Kinds scary as idea. And what we got now? Those ,,modern facebook generations" vampires. High-school vampires you know those ,,shock" haircuts, baby-doll faces, and always girls. or even better, women vampires, like prostitues, vampires+sex, attracting men into bed. If woman can't, then vampire woman can. If you do not know what to put, make soft porn. It always works. Have you seen Twilight? Or new Dracula, failed Universal project? OMG

    @Zombie , @stein123 , @Zebreva thank you for voting too. Can any of you explain why you chosed Wolfman?
    Zombie actually told me ,,I voted for Wolfman because I love furries also vampires are romanian" Well, Zombie, technically Bela Lugoshi himself is born in Austria-Hungarian Empire back then from Hungarian father and Serbian mother. Word vampire actually is only one of two Serbian words adapted because previously they did not have name until documented case happened in serbian part which was under Austria-Hungary back then. After that, all news reported vampire attack, and word vampire got used worldwide. Вампир on my language. Old people in our old villages still have garlic in front of main door as vampire superstition. Thats how shit was serious here. And yes, Dracul from Romania himself and those myths. But hey, you border with us, you also got Elizabeth Bathory or so, that vampire woman whose killed so many girls and buried them beneath castle. She showered and had bath in their blood to remain forever young. I think it was in your country. So, our whole region is fileld with vampires and got famous for it. While Brothers Grimm used black forests as witch base, and Europeans burned witches massively, and later Americans, we actually used to had issues with vampires mostly.

    @Shido , @Chaosy , thanks for voting for Frankenstein. + rep for both of you. Chaosy, yes, I like story as well. Shido, oh yeah, that scene where he threw girl in river. She drowned. Well he is afraid of nasty suroundings, but do not forget that brain he got is actually wrongly taken brain from murderer instead of scientist.

    @deepstrasz , @Championfighter25 thanks for voting. Championfighter25, I agree, that is good battle between evil and good. However, Dr. Jekyll made that problem to himself ignoring warnings about such experiments as he tested it to himself first causing murder. I just watched recently old black and white version from 1931, epic movie.

    @Mr.Goblin , @Mythic , @Maxwell thanks for commenting and voting. + rep for you. Yeah, Nosferatu basically is one of first who started this kind of genre. Those shadow scenes, long nails and fingers... And he brings disease everywhere he went.

    NOW MY TURN! I voted as well. I voted for The Invisible Man! I like idea of stalking around completely invisible. You could do many things! Oh yea, in this movie character did good job. @Mechanical Man , you did not see this coming! What did you decide, you were doubting between vampire and gillman today.
     
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    I like Dracula's version of vampirism,much better than the sparkly emo teens from Twilight for example.Dracula arguably is the main reason vampires became as popular as they are,and his influence is undeniable.
     
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    I don't like the twilight style vampires and am not a big fan of the Nosferatu ones, at least in their typical representations. I chose Dracula cuz those types of vampires have the most potential to be developed into a cool looking creature. Usually a combination of Dracula + Nosferatu looks amazing (https://magic.wizards.com/sites/mtg...ration/images/magic/daily/stf/stf167_lord.jpg or https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b2/4a/8b/b24a8b6e57cf82738b2936ccc8ae2504.jpg) but I'd classify those closer to Dracula than Nosferatu.

    Frankenstein's monsters I always found a little bit.. boring. It's just too specific and there hasn't been much experimentation nor can there be much. Usually there are Frankenstein's Monster lookalikes, like fleshy zombies but I dunno, I wouldn't put them in the same place.

    Mummies are great, probably a close second vote for me, along with werewolves. However, wolfman is a bit farther than a werewolf, in that werewolves developed into something slightly more differently which actually makes the concept be not only cool on paper, but also in practice. Turning into something during a full moon is a very interesting concept, but turning into a wolfman is lame af. Turning into a dog also... but turning into a humanoid-wolf looking beast is amazing. You take a cool concept and do it well and it's great.
    Now you might say, well hang on, Dracula is also just a lame regular human who drinks blood and wear aristocratic robes, he doesn't necessarily have to look like a powerful being with wings and demonic face. Well yea, but Dracula is good either way. As a human it's a great concept with good execution - the aristocratic Dracula image also looks great and feels right. And turning into a more demonic-looking vampire makes the concept even more awesome. Of course, there is the case of Twilight of turning into a glowing 21st century hipster, but that is the lowest of the low, not the highest. So it should be ignored. I judge these concepts by their maximum capabilities and what has been reached.

    Witches can be amazing, they have great potential. Not my type though so I wouldn't vote for them. I appreciate them in a story or artwork and want them to be there but they are not my favouritte if you get what I'm saying :D I don't know. They're pretty great still.

    Phantoms are awesome. But phantom of the opera (in the way you described it) sounds like a zombie with added stuff and acting. Also, haven't seen it often and developed in an interesting way much. It's also got the frankenstein problem a bit - it's too specific.

    And the rest are just random, lame or too narrow character-specific concepts, with little development throughout the years. I suppose if we count Gillmen as merfolk I'd include them, but it's kinda like the werewolf concept amped up. It's just too different from the core, not sure if it's fair to pick them. A boring ass gillman compared to a Naga or Merfolk (of the cool looking type) is sooo radically different technically.

    It's kinda like the Joker. At first he was a random dude who fell in a vat and just killed people, now it's a complex character that is used to tell stories about society and such. The idea was sound from the start, but the execution was garbage and so it was an okay concept, but not much more than that. Now it's great.
    Vampires (of the dracula and nosferatu type), Werewolves, Mummies and Witches have developed into amazing concepts. Personally I admire the Dracula-vampire most, so I picked that cuz no multivote :p



    I didn't reread or edit my message at all so sorry if it's a big blobby mess.


    edit: o, also, invisible man in and of itself I think is kinda boring :D, it's the ability that is interesting. But it's not a creature or monster type as much as it is an ability. For like wizards, mages, rogues or superheroes or such. As a monster? It's just... it's just a human. Everything that is just a human is boring. That's why twilight vampires suck. And witches that are just alchemists suck, unless in a super realistic setting where mythology hypes these creatures up to be more than they are, but that's different, it's story n such, creature type remains lame, it's just amplified by other factors. So an invisible man can be made amazing if in a medieval setting there is hype and mythology around this, like he is some ghost and such. But story =/= the monster. I guess that's why I don't like frankenstein's monster as much. As a creature it's a disfigured zombie, which is .. alright. But it's the story that makes him great. Without the story though it's just that - alright
    edit 2: (and since we are evaluating the monster archetypes, not them in their specific stories, I think most just lose the contest immediately like Professor Edward C. Burke or The Man in the Beaver Hat. Cuz you don't really copy stories 1:1. And shouldn't. Like I can't just copy this character and make movies with it. Meanwhile, with the vampire archetype.. well there is so much variety. I guess that's why some got used a lot more than others huh... hmm. Just thinking.. or writing out loud here.)
    edit 3: Actually, I guess that's why the invisible man died, but the ability is very prominent. At the same time werewolves and vampires and mummies.. everything that went in as a package - art and setting remained the same or very similar. The story changed a lot, but the concept of "Moon - Beast" or "Royal - Drink Blood" or "Dead - Mummified" is the same. And people had to drastically change the concept of Frankenstein's monster to make it useable - by creating this new thing called zombies. I assume frankenstein's monster influenced that a lot.
     
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    I chose Dracula because the first horror book I read was exactly Bram Stoker's masterpiece.

    Dracula is basically the devil's son. His personality is intriguing and iconic:
    Elegant and malicious.

    It is an immortal being that depends on the blood to live.
    In the Old Testament, it was forbidden to consume the blood of any creature, because for God, this was where the "soul" of our being was. That is, the Count of Transylvania is a soul eater lol

    It's a very strong character in my opinion:
    When he absorbs the blood, he gets stronger, faster, smarter and younger.

    It is capable of disappearing in shadows or smoke. It can turn into a bat and a wolf. He can control the weather (summon storms and fogs).
    In addition to their telekinetic abilities, mind control, persuasion and concealment.

    Those bitten by it become minions, and when they die, they become nosferatus (undead). He could create an army if he wanted to.

    To me, he's scary enough to panic you with his bright red eyes in the dark and powerful enough to defeat you with one slap.

    I also like him because of his origin:
    It was based on a real character, Vlad "Steppes" Drakwl. Responsible for impaling thousands of Turks in Romania.
    Macabre origin lol

    Your weaknesses are light, wood (cross/staurós), silver, communion and fire.
    So cool for me (a roman catholic).

    Its appearance is disgusting: pale skin, sharp teeth showing, thinness, white hair, large nose and deep eyes (this when it is scarce of blood).

    My dad would tell me stories of Dracula he made up in the dark, with just the two of us at home at night and all the lights out. That's because I lived on a small farm. Imagine the fear lol.

    It marked my childhood a lot.
    Just reading the book to really understand. Mainly the beginning, at the entrance of the castle.

    It has inspired many games like Castlevania. I believe the Dreadlords were based on him.

    In the end, I think he would defeat all the other monsters on the list. Nosferatu itself is just a spin-off of Dracula lol.
     
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    @morbent I will write later something.

    @ClariceGonzalesBR GIRL THAT ROCKS! I am impressed by your knowledge. You described in details what is being written in books.
    However, we are more lucky here regarding vampires. This shitty country but has good history regarding those stuff.
    Story is long, but this is what happened in reality. Not based on anything, but actually real event. I am not believing in vampires but it is offical document from then Austrian-Hungarian government. They wrote detailed report.
    In short, Serbia was for about 500 years under Turkey biggest part, while smallest part was under Austria-Hungary empire. Here, in Austrian part was one man Petar Blagojević, thez wrote Peter plogojewitz or something like that because of name translation. Nevermind, that man became vampire, and killed several people. People rapidly had fears because of vampires and got mass hysteria. People almost wanted to riot because its better for them to be killed from Austrian government than from vampires. Rulers of Austria sent directly expedition, people with orders to bring raport what is happening there. Unlike our Serbia under Turkey, this was civilized country, you cannot dig and stab dead as you wish because of some superstition, but special permission was granted to exhume his corpse. When they opened his grave they reported that he moved in side, was covered in blood, had little beard and all that like he is alive even he is not. And several other characteristics for vampires. Then they gave permission villagers to stab him with wooden stick and burned him and others whose believed to be vampires! Then expedition went back to capital to report. next day it was all in news about first documented vampire case. here is something about it, read it Petar Blagojević | Wikiwand so regardless of what books says, we have legends, and people fear of it in this day. morbent knows about it as he is my neighbor, he knows about those stories and superstitions people have. That is much stronger than some book based on character. So, ,,real" vampires did not have those abilities. later I will write you about their characteristics.
     
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    Will never like such a misleading character like Dracula.
     
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    @MasterHaosis Lugosi Béla is an actor, not an actual vampire. Actual vampires are Romanians

    so I chose the Wolfman because he is a furry therefore a man before his time
     
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    as you can see here the conflict between Romanians and Hungarians



    was pretty much not just myth.
     
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    I'm with Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde xD
     
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    @Misha haha you are always extra.

    @morbent this is how those classics look like in Monster Squad from 1987.
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    But there are tons of movies, in about 20 movies such as:The Invisible Man, The Invisible Man Returns, The Invisible Woman, Invisible Agent, The Invisible Man's Revenge, Hollow Man 1 and 2, Abbott and Costello Meet the Invisible Man, TV series Invisible Man. he appears in the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. And now, it is being filmed, with release date about february/march 2020. So, while character died in first movie, there are many other movies regarding this.
     
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    and games :wgrin: