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Favorite movie classic monster

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by MasterHaosis, Sep 22, 2019.

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Vote for your monster

  1. Dracula

    25.0%
  2. The Wolfman

    18.8%
  3. Frankenstein

    12.5%
  4. The Mummy

    6.3%
  5. Gillman (Creature from black lagoon)

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  6. The Invisible Man

    3.1%
  7. Phantom from Opera

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  8. Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde

    12.5%
  9. Dorian Gray

    6.3%
  10. The Wicked Witch

    6.3%
  11. Professor Edward C. Burke or The Man in the Beaver Hat

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  12. Nosferatu/Count Orlok

    9.4%
  1. Zebreva

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    I already, in brief, replied to @MasterHaosis s question regarding why I chose Wolfman in my first reply but I suppose I'll expand into more details since it was asked of again.

    I chose Wolfman despite it not being the perfect candidate for my absolute favourite monster of all time, the Werewolf, this is because the Wolfman made the werewolves enter the public consciousness similar to how Nosferatu (and later Dracula movies) broadened the audience for Vampires. Unlike Vampires however Werewolves don't have, as far as I'm aware, an equivalent to the Dracula book to anchor it as a "classical monster" (at least not to the same degree) despite people being persecuted as werewolves along with Witches doing the witchtrial craze (men were often killed for being werewolves while women were often pointed out as witches, though exceptions existed for both). Thus the Wolfman movie is real important to the propagation of werewolves into popular culture and that's how I felt justified in equivocating the two.

    As for why I love werewolves as much as I do, it's about the duality of what we show to the outside world and what we're really like on the inside. Given enough strain & stress and pretty much everyone reverts to a more basic type of being capable of all the things our sensible sides deplore as barbaric and monstrous. This is why I particularly enjoy it when it is someone known for their restraint, their high class or social standing that falls under the werewolf curse as it shows what they are really like inside.

    Not really a fan of the analogues with Rabies, though I do understand how the two are connected as the probable foundation of the werewolf legend coupled with Hypertrichosis. It just doesn't gel with how I want it to be more an exploration of a characters inner desires. I also wish more was done with werewolves beyond just being a transformation due to outside factors. I think it'd be more interesting to see someone transformed when they're in a high stress situation where they cannot help themselves from acting out their conscious/subconscious desires, be them for good or ill (Imagine a dude who's in love and because of it, during a stressful moment transforms and murders to get to be by his beloved, I think that could be part of a really cool story), similar to people that lack inhibition control etc.

    little rambly but it seems like it was ok with long posts. Hope that's ok ^^
     
  2. Zombie

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    if you take out vampires and werewolves, it still is not a myth
     
  3. RED BARON

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    Selected from a fairly personal perspective, meaning my favorite tend to be closely related to what I can imagine myself being.

    Picked Dracula.. a tough choice though. Keeping in mind that I would have picked Malkavian in a heartbeat had the selection been based on a rather different genre, I did also consider Nosferatu due to him being the more bad-ass option, which I also associate more closely to Anne Rice's novels. But I love the cool, classy way of Dracula more.

    However I could have considered many of the others as well.

    - Dorian fascinates me, but his personality and ending isn't for me - Dracula on the other hand has transcended his movie form, and become more of a symbol, and to an extend he is actually quite the generous host. '

    - The invisible man, he offers something truly unique that matches well with my huge curiosity, but the invisible mans life, sucked. He had no choice and lost everything - his case felt more like being isolated from the world, and that wouldn't be something I could see myself doing.

    - The Wolfman is a good representative of the duality and the thought of turning into a beast with extra powers e.g. is tempting, however I have read far too many stories about Werewolfs and I dislike the forced nature of their switch and the influence it has on their nature. If the option was a druids beast form that might be something different, which again is why Dracula offering up potential for shapeshifting as well (pending on version) wins out.

    - Gillman (black lagoon creature).. yea.. never interested me and never saw the movie. Not to mention I rather fly than swim.

    - Wicked witch - Magic has always been a huge dream of mine, but the wicked witch has a terrible ending, an awful character and a look that I wouldn't want. Elminster has always been more my type. So unless we were talking about the alternate version from the brilliant musical wicked where the personality is changed, I couldn't really select her. To some extend Dracula can perform magic, so again picked him.

    - The mummy - Yea, a dead guy not really any huge fan of it. There is magic involved, but mostly revenge - never really caught my eye. The newer movies works fine for action and I might have slightly felt bad for the mummy, but he was never any favorite. I prefer close to death, but not quite - ignoring the Van Helsing movie where they can only create dead children and what not.

    - Professor Edward C. Burk, yea, not catching my fancy. I remember character, I know it inspired the now removed animatronic at Disney lands House of Horror, but Gravediggers, Jack the Ripper and so on.. nah. I want style.. like Dracula.

    - Phantom of the Opera, is a tragic figure, but while the play is amazing, the character himself.. a scarred, murderous person never caught on. The never movie/play where he is given a lot more humanity, doing it all for lost love and actually giving up his own feelings to let two lovers be together and remembering the one he lost forever is more romantic, but if I was going for disfigured people with a tendency to violence and a willingness kill for conviction, I prefer V, from V for Vendetta (He is also slightly a monster :grin:).

    - Jakyll & Hyde - The idea is interesting, the power of his second form and the willingness to let lose. However the utter lack of control isn't for me. I like the story for all it inspired, most famous of which is likely the Hulk, but just as I am more into Doctor Strange than Hulk, I am much more interested in Dracula, who to some extend also has two sides to him, with the added bonus of being mostly in control.
     
  4. Misha

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    i really like split personalities, when it comes to monsters :)
     
  5. Ralle

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    Where is Voldemort when you need him?
     
  6. deepstrasz

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    Snape shot him.
     
  7. Petrovic

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    Always been a werewolf fan, also i highly recommend a netflix animated show "Love, death & robots" episode 10 tilted Shapeshifters. It has an awesome animated monster fight between 3 werewolves. In fact just go watch that fight this instant on youtube :wink:
     
  8. MasterHaosis

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    But he is not movie classic from black and white, or is he?

    @Zebreva , thank you for detailed comment. + rep! Sorry for mentioning you before, yes you wrote comment, but I accidentally put your name, because other did not, so I did mass naming. But it is not harm if you keep writing. More, better.

    @RED BARON, that was awesome. RED BARONAGE STYLE! All monsters touched. I planned to put more monsters into opinions, but I though those 12 are enough. 4 more supposed to come.

    @ClariceGonzalesBR , oh since you said you like Slavic myths. I was grown between them, I like old stories. Difference between that Dracula book you read and our myth/stories is that book is designed to bring more readers for profit. While something is based on reality (like Dracula's life and such which inspired Bram Stoker to write book), vast majority of things are completely made up and imagined, to bring ,,effect" to character and story and to impress people. Turns into bat, wolf, mist, control storms, create undead army, slaves... Really? Why not calling meteorites with finger slap to destroy wold, its much easier. Those overpowering stuff do not impress me because you feel artificial level in it. I mean that book is wery well made, as you said it is masterpiece. And movie too. But that is all, just for fun and Hollywood. Fun and money.
    This is where our stories differ. There is no fun, money, Hollywood, movies, marketing. There was fear. Our stories came from true events, regardless if it exists or not. That documented case you read about may not be vampire, maybe clinical death or something else but it did happen. I will tell you another example:
    Village where from my mother came from is about 40km from my city. Near that village (above from it) is place which is called literally old village. I walk there regularly when go I am there. In past times, villages were located in hills, so far from roads, so thieves and conquerors would avoid it. People lived from agriculture mostly. Young people used to gather in some place to hang out, sing and such. And one day, something happened, something killed all young people. Either vampires or something else (which has no translation in English anyway). People were so afraid after that that they literally moved village near road! There is nothing, ruins. That happened centuries ago.
    Our myths always happened from something and always caused action or reaction. In our culture, when someone dies, it is believed that his soul is wandering around for 40 days. He must be stabbed with some needle or something, so he wont turn into vampire. Candle or light should be lighten up so soul can ,,follow light to clear path" to home where it lived. People believed and reported everything. That custom lives even today. We do not believe it, but it is custom. And it exists since those times when fear of undead and vampire was present. People were just uneducated and believed in various craps, so they did ,,rituals" to protect themselves from witches, vampires, ghosts, demons and such. You can't see this in Hollywood as it was considered ,,serious".
    So, while our local stories are not ,,cool or fancy" as Dracula turning into mist, you would not consider cool or fancy when you hear report that your neighbor is seen wandering around and scaring people just after he got buried! He can just scary you, or even choke you or bite you which is not close to vampire's ,,powers and abilities" from movies or books, but hey, man whose you know for your life to be reported seeing in dark my several people is enough to make you scared to death when you enter street to back your home (if you can even go outside your house). And now, imagine this all in old times, village, hills, forest. Wind blowing, noise from trees and bushes, dogs and cats. And shadows. You would be 10x times more afraid than from book or movie vampire. Thats how our people got afraid that much.
     
  9. ClariceGonzalesBR

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    Haha makes sense!
    If even today with such technology we have already been terrified, who will say at that time.

    It is quite possible and explainable that these myths were created out of the fear of the people of the time.

    Here in Brazil there are THOUSANDS of werewolf and chupacabra stories! Farmers swear to the soul that they saw these creatures.

    Very interesting. I didn't know about this version. Thank you! It is an honor to receive culture directly from the mouth (digits lol) of a Slav, properly.

    However, vampires aren't the only ones that scare me into Slavic folklore.
    For example, I find it very interesting (and SINISTER) the Baba Yaga legend:

    She is described as a deformed and fierce woman who flies through the sky on a mortar and erases the trail left behind. She lives inside a forest, in a house that stands on crow's feet and the lock is a toothy mouth. Baba Yaga has an appetite for human flesh and uses magic, just like the witches we know, and she is very intelligent. In some versions it is said that the creature is not just a woman, but three who have the same name.

    Another thing that really freaks me out is the Domovoi: The appearance of this creature is of a small, old, over 100-year-old humanoid, his body covered with gray hair except around his eyes and nose.

    Some of them have horns and tails, but they can change shape, thus resembling the inhabitants of the house or domestic animals. Domovoi is very quiet and doesn't bother anyone, unless the house where he lives is messy, he likes tidying up, besides he doesn't like mirrors;

    It sounds harmless, but it makes me sick.
    I suppose everyone here has already suffered from the famous "sleep paralysis". I have suffered several times. And the worst time that happened to me was a being like that.
    He looked like a gnome, but much more sinister, devilish and scary.

    I couldn't move, my vision was shaking, I couldn't scream. I spent a long moment suffering with that creature stabbing my belly and screaming and moaning with bizarre sounds. A very strange growl.

    I woke up at dawn, in total darkness, sobbing and sounding.

    What did I learn from all this?
    That among vampires, witches and gnomes, I prefer PERUN, The Thunder God! :D
     
  10. MasterHaosis

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    @ClariceGonzalesBR ,you impressed me again. You learned something about eastern culture. Those things are from eastern Slavs, my people are Southern Slavs. So, I heard about those all, but I am not that familiar with it. That Domovoi is called Domovik here or ,,homestic spirit". If you find him only way to destroy it is to throw him in boiled oil. :cgrin:
    Baba Yaga, we have weaker version here Babaroga. baba means literally ,,granny/grandmother/old woman'', and we are used to be afraid of her as kids... Elders scared us if we are not good, baba roga will come to eat us. Here are tons of monsters in those cultures, but we did not have Hollywood to make those into movies. Yet again classic like black and white.
     
  11. RED BARON

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    See Baba Yaga is someone I might also be able to see myself as, just because the idea of lurking on the edges of society, creating fear and judging people while living forever in a walking house, now that is bad-ass. Also she makes for an excellent scary story that really should have been explored more (although she does have a fairly good showing in one of the recent tomb raider games). Overall though, Baba Yaga can compete very well with my Dracula choice, and she is a lot more immortal.

    If we are looking at just folklore from that region I would also have a soft spot for Leshy, as giant sized characters, with shapeshifting power and a close relation to nature ticks a lot of my boxes. That he is likely immortal as well, just makes it better. To some extend its a mix between a Jotun and Odin. His clothing style still doesn't really beat Dracula, but he can change into anything.
     
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    I prefer mummy probably due to the fact that one the first playstation games I ever played and was obsessed with it was The Mummy.

    Its movies have a nice does of comedy with Benny that guy cracks me up!
     
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    Mary Shelly's Frankenstein because of its literary impact on sci-fi and horror.
     
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    I don't watch black and white :p
     
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    But when you read, are the letters multiple colours and the pages they're on too?

    You're missing a lot.
     
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    @DD Mikasa , thanks for voting and comment. I am glad that someone voted for Mummy.

    @Petrovic , gospodine Petroviću! Thanks for voting and comment.

    @deepstrasz hahahaa! Yes yes! Go tell him! He is rainbow man, all watching in multi-colore

    @Ralle , haha! very interesting. Not black and white. But you are right, not everything is black and white. (Something is grey colored :cgrin: ) But it all started black and white, meaning it is ancient, therefore not ,,dirty and corrupted" like now-days Hollywood movies. Plus, accent is on old effect and character. When did you seen those old ,,naked" trees, fog effects, old black fences, chilling winds combined? Plus some spider web and weird noise. I cannot remember seeing this in any newer movie. Plus, all newer movies have accent on gore. Become monster and kill as many people you can. There, Dracula, Wolfman, Mummy and Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde did not kill many, in fact just few people. It was about discovering characters, not about senseless killings.

    @ClariceGonzalesBR , I still owe you some story. Will do it soon.
     
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    @MasterHaosis most of those movies are from the 40s xD (Except, apparently, invisible woman which is 2013 and hollow man 1 n 2 (2000 n 2006))

    That's pretty old, considering people didn't experiment much with fantasy back then and just took it as it was. My point was that the ability is what was mostly preserved cuz it's cool af, whereas a werewolf was good enough and was simply upgraded to look cool cuz honestly that guy in the picture you showed looks like a hairy ape, not really amazing :cgrin:
     
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    @morbent The Invisible Woman is from 1940 Die unsichtbare Frau (1940) - IMDb that is comedy, horror comedy, I did not watch it. Then it is war propaganda, Invisible agent from 1942 haha, fighting Nazis. Dont forget about The Invisible Man 2020 which will come soon The Invisible Man (2020) - IMDb , I still wait to see it!

    Also, I think (but I am not sure) that The Wolf Man looks like this for a reason. While I do not like his appearance, this is almost exact looking of real life ,,werewolves". Actually people with condition called hypertrichosis, where fur literally grows and covers almost whole head and body.
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    So, technically, this is how they imagined that wolf man should look like and they are right according to reality. However, I prefer more ,,modern approach. Everything we need is classic style with modern appearance.
     
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    Part of the reason for at least some "monsters" of old movies looking like real people with real conditions is that instead of special effects one simply used people who looked the way they wanted. Not the case with the Wolf Man movie I believe, but for instance the circus movie about freaks had a lot of it.
     
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