End of Eternity v 0.46

[Moderator]

00:48, 18th Jun 2010
VGsatomi: Approved. If this is your first map, then you've certainly took notes along the way. Decent selection of heroes. Action revolves more around hero combat while the small units just seem to be free kills. Nice doodad detailing and texturing. Good work for a first map!

 

[blancsoir]

Please download, test, rate and comment! (my first map)

 

[krisserz]

Fix author`s name.

 

[Vengeancekael]

Fix author`s name.

i think that's a hive problem:/

 

[blancsoir]

Fix author`s name.

Fixed. See Changelog for other changes.

 

[blancsoir]

if anyone knows how to hide text, i can hide the changelogs. thanks

 

[krisserz]

It`s

[hidden='YOUR TITLE']blablabla[/hidden]

 

[blancsoir]

Version 0.05 now contains 20 heroes =)

 

[Lag_Reviews]

Omg alright heres what I thought

Omg looks and sounds awesome although there are a few issues that need fixing.

Things you could add to the description:

• Credits
• Screenshots
• Background info
• Youtube video
• Upcoming update log

If you need more help on the description go here: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/tutorial-submission-283/importance-description-127031/#post1117301

Just a few things to make the map description 100%.

On another topic (COPYRIGHT IMAGE STOLEN):

Why did you steal your map preview image, from Gameslayer001's platform escape? (Note I have alerted Gameslayer001 and he can deal with it if you do not change it)

Here is Gameslayer's map, made first before this map, with the same preview image: Platform Escape

Anyhowz will download it once description is A+ and once the copyright image is gone,
Lag_Reviews

 

[Darkgamma]

Omg looks and sounds awesome although there are a few issues that need fixing.

Things you could add to the description:

• Credits
• Screenshots
• Background info
• Youtube video
• Upcoming update log

If you need more help on the description go here: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/tutorial-submission-283/importance-description-127031/#post1117301

Just a few things to make the map description 100%.

On another topic (COPYRIGHT IMAGE STOLEN):

Why did you steal your map preview image, from Gameslayer001's platform escape? (Note I have alerted Gameslayer001 and he can deal with it if you do not change it)

Here is Gameslayer's map, made first before this map, with the same preview image: Platform Escape

Anyhowz will download it once description is A+ and once the copyright image is gone,
Lag_Reviews

Maybe he had Google'd 'Platform Escape' and recieved this one, so, he wouldn't have been tagged a thief.

 

[blancsoir]

On another topic (COPYRIGHT IMAGE STOLEN):]Why did you steal your map preview image, from Gameslayer001's platform escape? (Note I have alerted Gameslayer001 and he can deal with it if you do not change it)

Here is Gameslayer's map, made first before this map, with the same preview image: Platform Escape

Anyhowz will download it once description is A+ and once the copyright image is gone,
Lag_Reviews

The copyright image is not my fault, its hiveworkshop's. It was previously a picture of my map. Guess i have to update 0.06 .... just to fix this problem

 

[Hordeon]

:O Platform Escape Picture

 

[blancsoir]

I'd appreciate if everyone steps off the platform escape picture (no pun intended) as it wasn't my fault

I'll do screenshots after university today.

How do i add screenshots? I have the pictures saved onto a microsoft word file, I'm guessing I have to have a different site get my pictures so i can upload them?

 

[blancsoir]

update: 0.10 is now out =)

Check out the newest hero

 

[krisserz]

Split elder changelogs together with one big hidden tag.

 

[blancsoir]

Split elder changelogs together with one big hidden tag.

done.

I notice that people don't really comment or comment on the heroes or the gameplay itself. Hopefully, me and a beta tester can play the map again and locate bugs so that i can exterminate them.

I will need to take a couple of days off for school, but i will work on version 0.13 afterwards. Version 0.13 will contain up the hero count from 21 to 24 (12/faction), and have more items, coming soon in February

regarding the previous post, its a lie. i worked on my map for about an hour today, and so far, i've been able to implement 15 changes, including reducing the file size, fixing bugs, and multiple balance changes. the next version will probably be 0.20, as i wish to alleviate the pre version 1 status of this map faster

EDIT: version 0.20 is now out, Feb 1, 2010. Changes are a-plenty, mostly balance issues, but there are some bug fixes and one new hero

for those who dled the map earlier today, i apologize, a major bug was found that wouldnt let the game play. it has been changed now

 

[krisserz]

Do not multi-post. Use

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[LordLyra]

Looks good, gonna check and say what I think aout it.

EDIT:
The terrain was good, but the map is to big and there are no other ways than the lanes
(to few ways to go from lane to lane)

Some spells are nice made but some are just lame and not funny.

The gameplay didnt made me glad, it takes so long time walking in the lanes and items does close to nothing.
The elements is a nice idea but when you play and you deal less damage to your enemy and he does more damage to you, its not so fun...

There is not so many heroes to, close to one hero each and then the last one only have one to choose from.

I give it a low 2/5.

 

[blancsoir]

Looks good, gonna check and say what I think aout it.

EDIT:
The terrain was good, but the map is to big and there are no other ways than the lanes
(to few ways to go from lane to lane)

Some spells are nice made but some are just lame and not funny.

The gameplay didnt made me glad, it takes so long time walking in the lanes and items does close to nothing.
The elements is a nice idea but when you play and you deal less damage to your enemy and he does more damage to you, its not so fun...

There is not so many heroes to, close to one hero each and then the last one only have one to choose from.

I give it a low 2/5.

Thank you, as that was probably the first real comment, and i'll address them one by one now:

regarding spells, i know some are lame, which is what im trying to rework for the 0.40 version. (i plan on have 2 hero remakes)
about the lanes and the map size. the map size is big yes, but the heroes and units have a high base movespeed to balance it out. and yes, there is only currently only one way to switch lanes (Besides going back to base)
about the items doing close to nothing, that was the intent. to make the game less item-based and gold-based to promote teamwork because gold isn't that important and kill stealing makes everyone mad.
to be fair, there's 10 heroes on the alliance side and 13 heroes on the bane side. most maps prior to the release of the first version have only 24 heroes (see AoM, AotZ, DoE).

EDIT: i have now added a new interlane (way of changing from lane to lane)

 

[LordLyra]

I have only tried the alliance side and I was thinking it was the only heroes on the map :/.
Thats why I sayed it was so few heroes, but 23 heroes is good.

 

[blancsoir]

I have only tried the alliance side and I was thinking it was the only heroes on the map :/.
Thats why I sayed it was so few heroes, but 23 heroes is good.

well please do try the heroes on the Bane, because there are much more heroes. May i suggest Death Liege and Nephilim: Oblivion? There spells required more triggers then others. Pit Lord and Shifting Fire are receiving a rework

 

[LordLyra]

And one thing I found out was that the fountain and the shops where at the same plays (good) for the Bane and at the Alliane side the fountain is in the middle of a long oridor and the shops at the exit of it...why?

 

[blancsoir]

And one thing I found out was that the fountain and the shops where at the same plays (good) for the Bane and at the Alliane side the fountain is in the middle of a long oridor and the shops at the exit of it...why?

edited for the current 0.31 version
in brief, 1 new item, 1 skill remake and terrain changes

the new version will have 1 new hero and 2 reworked heroes

as for your previous comment about elements LordLyra that i did not address, the point was to emphasize quicker gameplay and teamwork. should the entire team go fully Earth-type heroes? No. Your Fire-type hero is getting squashed by the Water-type enemy? Ask your Dark buddy for help, etc. its the originality of this system that sets itself apart and makes it more teamwork based

 

[Darkyvm]

Sorry if it looks like I'm flaming but... I played this map and there are a feel things that are, well, pissing me off.

First of all, you just copy-pasted Megalith's terrain, changed the tileset and doodads (making it worse >.>) and removed most of the interesting world events that happened in Megalith.

Next, your buffs/condition system is nearly the same as the one in Desert of Exile, hell, you even used the same icons for them! (couldn't check all heroes yet, but there are some similar to the ones in DoE too). And there's also the elemental system, which is (again) extremely similar to the one used in Element TD.


I will post a more detailed review later, but for now, I'm not exactly happy with this map.

EDIT: I just checked the in-game credits, and you credit them all, but that is not enough, do you have permission from all of them (Vile, Rising_Dusk, Archael) to use their resources in your map?

EDIT / Rant 2: Just because it's DotA doesn't mean you can freely copy spells from it. Come on, be creative!

 

[blancsoir]

Sorry if it looks like I'm flaming but... I played this map and there are a feel things that are, well, pissing me off.

First of all, you just copy-pasted Megalith's terrain, changed the tileset and doodads (making it worse >.>) and removed most of the interesting world events that happened in Megalith.

Next, your buffs/condition system is nearly the same as the one in Desert of Exile, hell, you even used the same icons for them! (couldn't check all heroes yet, but there are some similar to the ones in DoE too). And there's also the elemental system, which is (again) extremely similar to the one used in Element TD.


I will post a more detailed review later, but for now, I'm not exactly happy with this map.

EDIT: I just checked the in-game credits, and you credit them all, but that is not enough, do you have permission from all of them (Vile, Rising_Dusk, Archael) to use their resources in your map?

EDIT / Rant 2: Just because it's DotA doesn't mean you can freely copy spells from it. Come on, be creative!

when archael retired from mapmaking, he released his map open.

"if you can understand my triggers (I think I left them very organized, with the exception of some dummy units which should not be touched or they break stuff, but they are named properly anyway) feel free to edit it"

i changed more than the terrain and removed useless doodads. i also had to make it more playable. you cant see enemy units (or yourself) if your under a bridge. some lanes were too squishy and only 2 units could make it at a time. the lanes werent connected at all, and i changed it by adding more ways of crossing lanes

as for the map being based off element td, that was a given. my original post said it was, but then someone told me to fix the description so it was better so i removed it. there are differences, for example, as i dont have "nature-type" in my map and as Element TD is a TD, my map is an AoS.

i do remember asking vile and the rest of gamingcraft.net and i was met with a post that said i could if i wanted to, but it would just show no potential for authentic creativity. as for the debuff system being similar to DoE's and "even has the same icons," there are differences. 1) there's is so much better and complex 2) im slowly incorporating Weakness and Poison debuffs into my map (both from Guild Wars). You also have to understand all the icon names and pictures are taken from Guild Wars.

i originally wanted to push my map to being into the stage where it is now so that i wouldnt get the most useless post ever, "needs more heroes." though its not entirely justified, i did take spells from dota. most notably Solar Beam --> Furion's Ultimate, and there are others that i don't care to remember or recall. my map is slowly losing hold on the things that i have taken from dota (and AoM) as spells are being reworked completely.

 

[Darkyvm]

when archael retired from mapmaking, he released his map open.

"if you can understand my triggers (I think I left them very organized, with the exception of some dummy units which should not be touched or they break stuff, but they are named properly anyway) feel free to edit it"

Didn't know that, sorry. (could you give me a link, btw? I always wanted to see how some things in the original Megalith were done)

About the useless doodads, I think you removed far too many of them, the map looks empty in some areas.

If you have permission, then it's ok. But I agree with Vile. (or whoever replied to you) that it shows no potential for creativity.

My only concern about this map now is the fact that some heroes are uninteresting to play with and use boring non-triggered spells.

 

[blancsoir]

im sorry, i dont own it anymore...when my computer caught a virus somewhere, my mom wiped everything before i could taken anything (like Open Megalith)

my laptop is back in university and i cant get there until tuesday, but i will upload v 0.33. ive remade one of the heroes and made it a bit more trigger-based.

thanks for the replies though.

 

[brusz]

Well i just played this like 3 times...
I'll write what i think:

I really didn't like the idea of heroes having attack and armor based on "elements", i mean, it can be more "realistic" that fire can damage more a wood based unit than a water based unit... but it can be very imbalanced when you are 1 on 1 in the lane.

The spells are mostly "regular" wc3 spells but you actually edited their theme on some of them.

The map is HUGE xD, yeah my map is big but not this BIG, i think that a tp system on towers or included in the heroes would be good.

I like that you didnt based this map too much on items (like dota or many other AoS maps...).

It needs more player commands, like movespeed, zoom distance, etc... misc stuff you know.

You need to be more "original" in some stuff like the other guys said.

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Small bug/typo:
On short mode, it says that "Heroes start at level 3" but the hero level actually is 6...

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I'll give it a 3/5 because it can be improved a bit

 

[blancsoir]

thanks for the comment!

regarding the short mode, yeah, i noticed it too earlier today while testing, i was beta-testing the Rogue Mage's ult and i just set it to 6 to make my life easier but forgot to reverse it. until the next update, it will remain as is.

im trying to get more funky with the spells, but im just a bit too busy now with uni

 

[black_ice]

is there any ai?