Age of Eternal Strife v. 1c

[Moderator]

VGsatomi: Approved. Well rounded AoS map with decent terrain and texturing. Good selection of heroes. File size perfect for Bnet/online play. Short learning curve.

 

[Orcs_Killer]

'Ello Beasty. I'm working on some ideas right now, but all the holiday crap is going to get in the way, so don't expect anything until the second week of the break. Hope to receive some good feedback!

 

[En_Fuego]

Whenever you cast a spell and it shows the "Spell Name -----" text, along with it is a lot of arrays/empty string texts that really clog up the screen.

 

[Beast(TrOg)]

yea, that was for testing a new thing, forgot to remove it. Removed in v 0.36.

 

[En_Fuego]

Looks good, as usual.

8/10.

 

[~Void~]

So it's like AoS but AoES? Sequel, or just random

 

[Beast(TrOg)]

Yes, it's an AoS type map. AoES was a random name I tried using for a couple of my maps as a random name.

 

[En_Fuego]

I only had time to check the Blood Elf heroes, but I did find a lot of problems on your tooltips.

When you go type something like "It will target an unit" it should be "It will target a unit"

That's really all I could find, otherwise, it looked really nice.

 

[Beast(TrOg)]

[v .60] fixes, changes, and adds many things including:
- Beastmaster hero
- Bounty system fix
- Lag issues reduced (hopefully fixed)
- Text fixes (Thanks a lot to En Fuego for the an - a typo comment)

 

[Beast(TrOg)]

what?!, my description and stuff disappeared...
sorry: don't DL until I fix please (correct version didnt upload either)

Edit: ok fixed

 

[Conlan]

game constantly shows messages like unit 1 unit 2 unit 3 ....... unit 3789487923789478923478923478923478927893

I dont get it?

 

[Beast(TrOg)]

well that was nothing important, updated to remove that.

 

[Hashinshin]

The one hero, the blade master or something... I really forget his name. The one with the permanent mana shield and glaive that pulls you in and stuff, hes just horribly rigged. He takes next to no damage from anything, he constantly just pulls you back into towers, and his ultimate obliterates the melee heroes.

On the other hand, the abomination hero is not HORRIBLY gimp, but below par. He needs to do more damage and NEEDS to have a way to restore life.

 

[Beast(TrOg)]

Alright, tried to balance those 2:

nerfed Mana Shield
- 75% blocking -> 50% blocking
- 12 damage per mana -> 8 mana per mana
- deactivates when mana lower than 1 -> deactivates when mana lower than 30
nerfed Lethal Thrust
- damage x1.5 after 4 consecutive -> damage x1.3 after 4 consecutive
- add 110/125/140 dmg per cast -> add 36/41/46 per cast; initial damage is 110/125/140
nerfed Glaive Thrust
- limited the range to drag units to 500
buffed Flesh Bite
- now heals the amount damaged
- cooldown from 70 -> 70/65/50
buffed Grapple of Pain
- increased damage by 20
buffed Abomable Hulk
- +.04 Agility per level

 

[Hashinshin]

Thanks, I feel like I need to describe the ridiculousness of that guy lol.

He was almost soloing our entire team. He would walk in to a 1v2, kill one person and have a very good chance at killing the other. He resisted such an absurd amount of damage when 4 different heroes all attacked him he still managed to kill one of us. I couldn't even host after I saw what that guy was capable of.

BUT, flesh bite does look promising now. Could you explain to me his first ability though. the 30% chance to reduce damage by X% and on kill you gain strength. I got the killing blow on a bunch of people and my strength attribute wasn't going up. Me and my friend brainstormed what you meant OTHER than the strength attribute and we drew a blank here.

The drag thing was very needed though. Any time you tried to fight him 1v1 he merely dragged you back into a tower. It became where you couldn't walk across half field, very aggrivating.

 

[Beast(TrOg)]

The ability (RaFewn) is supposed to be a magic resistance type spell. What it does is whenever the hero takes damage from a spell, he has a chance to decrease the damage from the spell by a %. If the damaging spell was from himself (really only his Rot spell), the chance to decrease the spell damage is higher than from other units.

some additional fixes...:
Grapple of Pain
- fixed tooltip when learned
RaFewn
- increased Strength gain to .10 for creeps (1/1.25/1.50/1.75) for heroes
Disperse
- decreased duration by .5
- set mana cost from 2/2/4/4 -> 3/4/5/6
Lethal Thrust
- increased extra damage on fourth cast from 30% -> 35%
- increased damage a little
some other various cooldown changes

 

[Conlan]

I hope you'll work hard on this map. It have a real potential.

But please make it less dota-like

 

[Neo-Gigan]

4/4....

 

[Mooglefrooglian]

Lol.. less dota like? Dota is an AoS.. this is an AoS.. why not just tell him to make a new map?

 

[Beast(TrOg)]

I was wondering what Conlan was trying to say about making it less like dota, but I'm not sure. I went back to look at the items because I don't think heroes are too similar, but my items didn't seem to be too much alike either (other than basic ones).
So if you'd like to clarify on what to change Conlan, I'd appreciate it - the bounty system, creeps, map layout, recipe items, heroes are already different.

 

[Conlan]

Mooglefrooglian are you retarded? Then all maps with same categories are copy of each other, if you think that way.

I'm not saying it is a DotA clone, it is not! I tried this map because i noticed beast(TrOg)'s maps show quality. And it is a very good AoS for a beta version and i rated 5 already.

I posted that "dota-like" comment last month but as far as i remember, some few things are dota-like and I prefer them to be little different;
-3 melee 1 ranged unit spawn (as i remeber)
-a few items (like 60ms 30%as boot and higher ms boot with teleportation)
well i cant remember much for now..

All heroes are original as i see

But what are those ghost like units in bases which constatnly attack buildings with no damage? They cause an alarm constantly (our town is under attack!) And please remove that useless "unit 1 unit 2 unit 3 ....." texts at map beginning.

And please work on this map!

 

[Beast(TrOg)]

Thanks Conlan for noticing my maps and giving suggestions. Once again, the "1 unit" "2 unit..." messages are removed again...thought I fixed all those eh (those were supposed to be only visible by me to debug stuff).

I'll also remove the ghost units next version, just one of my lame attempts at adding something to improve the map's eye candy which failed.

 

[Conlan]

eheheh i understand, but please remove it .

Please do this;
-Add a hotkey to all items
-Fix those recipe items with no info (Like +....(stats)... )
-Change leather west icon
-Primary attributes in hero information texts need to be 'noticable'
-Make a better map preview image, I'll make for you if you want
-For a clear read, in multiboard, add a space between the last Undead player name text and "Blood Elf Morale" texts, also for "Undead Morale" text and elapsed time text.
-Slipper of Agility typo: +3 Increased Agility (should only be +3 Agility, this is the greatest fatal bug I've ever seen lol)
-Also there is a typo problem in Attribute Bonus

And again, I hope you'll never stop working on this map..

 

[Cool In Denial]

i Did not check your map...but i read some comments and it sounds like a very good map...I will try this map SOON.
Until Then i will give it a 8,5/10 !!
Merry Christmas :d

 

[Beast(TrOg)]

Great, thanks Conlan. This is exactly what I hope people would tell me about
All, if not many, of your suggestions will be in the next version + more.

And I just realized why you keep telling me to never stop working on the map, haha. (because I put that I might in the map's description?)

If you can, I'd really appreciate a better map preview image too. (I'll try to myself also, but I'm not that good at it.) Credit if you do of course.

 

[Conlan]

woww finally a new version..
I'm trying it right now

-havent actually played, just checking around
but for now it looks awesome, everything looks more clear.

Edit: Some kind of "quest update" or "click button" sound occurs every second which is very disturbing. Please fix that.

 

[Beast(TrOg)]

Yep, a month's work on this update. Your suggestions were very helpful, and actually helped me find bugs while I was working with your critique. This small update version removes that sound and a little more hero tooltip clarity.

 

[Conlan]

by the way, I've made a map preview image for you, check your e-mail
but of course you dont have to use it

 

[Beast(TrOg)]

Now why wouldn't I want to use that awesomeness? Thanks a billion.

 

[Conlan]

no problem

 

[Conlan]

when i just stay at base and do nothing, after about 24-25 minutes, my base becomes almost completely destroyed, (I was on Scourge)
Isn't it too early? Is it because of the new nukes_?

Edit: Hey, Do I supposed to get gold each time I hit a creep? I dont get any, how exactly the bounty system working? Sorry I forgot.

Edit2: You may change the Lich's passive frost armor aura ability. A dummy unit casts frost armor to everyone in the AoE each second right? It causes a disturbing sound each second and I personally think it is not a safe way to make an aura. It can be dispelled at that second and the unit can be attacked without being frozen (just for that attack ok, but then again it's not a fair way)

 

[Beast(TrOg)]

Wow, you're such good help , I wouldn't have the patience to do nothing in a game for 25 minutes.

Imbalance:
I knew about this imbalance of the lanes for a while, (the new summons for the waves/nukes may have increased it) but I'll try to balance them soon. The terrain is being glitchy for me (that's why the hill for the middle lane, next to the Undead's outer tower, is so strange), so it'll be hard without complete remaking the terrain (I suck at it and my terrainer quit plus, I've worked crazily to make some "hidden paths" which are just areas in trees and whatever which you can use to juke enemies).

Bounty system:
When you deal any damage (attack/spells), then it "sets up a bounty". Such as: dealing 100 damage sets up the bounty to 15 gold or so. The bounty increases each time you deal damage to the unit, like dealing an additional 100 damage 2 seconds later will do this: 13 + 15 = 28 bounty [(the bounty, but deteriorated because it loses points over time) + (additional bounty)], however, assistance bounty is limited to 20 gold, so most you will get when the unit dies is 20 gold (70 for heroes), unless you kill it yourself. If you kill it yourself, the gold you get is increased depending on what unit you kill, so its assistance bounty + random bounty. The one right now (v. .80c) probably has a slight bug and the next version seems to have improved it.

Frost Armor Aura:
Yea, that's how it works. I'll probably change it, because you're correct, although the only unit that can dispel buffs in the whole game are the satyr neutral creeps, which cannot purge heroes. It'll be improved and more balanced next version.


Arrg...and I thought I had a stable version for once and was going to work on another hero
Anyways, because this whole thread is pretty much you helping me, I'll try to test one/some of your maps.

 

[Conlan]

if you gonna test one of my maps, i currently recommend you: Jedi Arena

 

[Racoon]

Hello Beast! I seem to remember playing Requiem of the Gods Hero Arena a long time ago with you. Well, anyway, I have tried your map- it is great- diverse heroes( though a bit like DotA), nice weather effects, and cool items with originality. The hero abilities are amazing as well, electrophilic and flesh golem are among my favorites. Though in one game, flesh golem’s ultimate ability Meteor made pple leave… they said it was too imbalanced.

However, I would like to say that the secret shop, if it is even supposed to be a secret can be easily found by looking for the SHOP symbol on the minimap. Also, the terrain seems a bit cramped to me, though that is probably not a huge problem- there are black texturing errors though in certain slopes. Also, you should add a ice boss to your map( a sort of Roshan like in Dota) if you have time.

Also, the civilians for Blood Elves are all women. It would be better if there were both genders and not just one model. And, is there an –ap command yet? Cause I always play normal mode.

Ending on a positive note, when I hosted this, all the players said this is a DOTA KILLER! I agree about that as well, with a bit of tweaking this map could very well be more diverse and fun than Dota even though Dota has 80 heroes…

 

[Beast(TrOg)]

Thanks Racoon. I'll do something about the Meteor balance. Also, the "secret shop" isn't supposed to be a secret. I disliked having players not knowing where "Rebby" was, so instead of having to ask immediately, people can sometimes notice that there was another shop using the minimap and maybe even go and see what it was.

The terrain is being very glitchy for me, so there are terrain errors at some places. Not sure if I want a Roshan type boss because I don't want to have every single feature dota has, so that people don't immediately say "dota copy".
I will also add more civilians and variety, but didn't want to have too many.
There is an -ap command. You can read up on game modes at the quest log.

 

[Takahuja]

YOu already have an date for adding more heroes to the game??

 

[Beast(TrOg)]

I don't really have a date for adding more heroes, but I'll try working on them (I tried working on them on v. .83, but found more things to work on first). I think I may add 2 new heroes next version, then work on a full list of items after that. If I continue after all those, I'll probably add more heroes.

 

[Conlan]

finally, it's here!!!

You're late Beast(TrOg)

Edit: Oops! elapsed time have a problem, at INITIAL, it does not show minutes!

Mechanical villagers are strange you know, make them spell immune i think...

Since the lumber bar is not used, i think you should split creeps stats into those two bars; lumber bar and food bar. It'll be better that way. You know, if your creep kills higher than denys, it shows the number in red and it's a little odd for me

Movespeed bonuses stack now.. why? =/

 

[Beast(TrOg)]

Yea, that initial thing...didn't think anyone would notice/care
Yea mech villagers is strange...maybe I'll make them spell immune.
Movespeed stacks now cause it's one thing I don't like about AoS's, where boots cannot stack. If you are willing to use up that many item slots and that much money just to move faster, then why not. Also, because the slow/speed system will be used for my spell abilities (so that Wc3 slows do not cancel other ones if based on the same spell).

 

[Leik]

huge game breaking bug: Lich perma slows with ult.

 

[Beast(TrOg)]

Thanks, should be fixed now. + added a few more fixes

 

[Racoon]

ok- the tweaks u made in the last versions took away the terrain irregularties!

i honestly like this way better than dota - ur creeps use spells and the terrain i think is amazing.

gonna host this alot now

 

[Qab]

Great map. Best AoS I've seen yet. Though in the Blood Elves abilities there are some typos... Got the name wrong. Supposed to be Hurdle.
-Sword Throw Thingy (name=Kurdle)
-Charge Abilitie (same as above)
I like the fact that AI automaticly will rebuild towers. Though when your units get into middle of enemy base, the enemy keeps spawning, but they spawn away from my guys and just charge at my base, so I can destroy main building without trouble...

P.S. What are those beams of light/skull that fly across map and hit people?

 

[Beast(TrOg)]

Thanks Racoon and Oab for the compliments. I had a sort of small (I think) update laying around which I didn't finish. It'll include a remake of the terrain and tooltip fixes suggested by Oab.

Oab's post

Great map. Best AoS I've seen yet. Though in the Blood Elves abilities there are some typos... Got the name wrong. Supposed to be Hurdle.
-Sword Throw Thingy (name=Kurdle)
-Charge Abilitie (same as above)
I like the fact that AI automaticly will rebuild towers. Though when your units get into middle of enemy base, the enemy keeps spawning, but they spawn away from my guys and just charge at my base, so I can destroy main building without trouble...

P.S. What are those beams of light/skull that fly across map and hit people?

Much thanks Oab, I'll try fixing or even remaking how units spawn to prevent the group from not protecting the main building.
Those beams of light/skull are sort of "artillery" but nukes that your base uses. I'll make them into actual artillery so that they are more useful and noticeable.

Due to recent suggestions, I'll come up with an update in a week or so.

 

[LordLyra]

A realy nice map, but I think its better if the two team have the same type of summon, else the bloodelfs always pushes at the end. I play 1v1 in the middle and the bloodelfs pushed the other lanes into the base without having more Moral... Thats lame the the Undead players.

 

[Leak-]

Great AOS map.

One problem though: whenever I try to research Terjek the Pit Lord's abilities, the Wc3 freezes. What's the reasoning for this? I've seen this happen in other maps too (with other heroes' abilities or even just the clicking of an item shop)

Hopefully this can be fixed !

 

[Beast(TrOg)]

Leak-

I'm not aware of such a bug, so I don't really have a solution. It's may be because this and some other maps are outdated or something is wrong with your WC.

 

[Leak-]

Leak-

I'm not aware of such a bug, so I don't really have a solution. It's may be because this and some other maps are outdated or something is wrong with your WC.

I think it's just since I'm playing on a Mac and that there are issues with some maps played on Macs.

At least the good thing is that it seems all the other heroes work no problem - still sucks I can't try out Pit Lord though.

Are you still actively developing your map? I would be more than willing to help give feedback/test material/bug hunt if you need any! Maybe sometime we could even play your map on Bnet !

Quick question: Potion of Reflection seems really imbalanced. Makes initiation too easy . What's the reasoning for adding that item in the game?

 

[Beast(TrOg)]

Actually, a couple of problems have come up so that I can't work on the map. I was working on many large and small changes/fixes, but I have been unable to download jassnewgen after I got a new computer. Sadly, I won't get to do anything else for now.

About the potion, it was meant to be a good team escape/gank item. This version of the map was actually when the item got introduced, so I never had a chance to balance it.

Don't feel too bad about not trying pitlord, he needed some modifications anyways (isn't as fun as others, and in some situations imbalanced).