Dungeon Lords

[M0RT]

Dungeon Lords

Dungeon Lords is a map inspired by "Dungeon Keeper". It lets player build his dungeon, to protect treasures from raiding "heroes".
"Heroes" form the other team, which has to penetrate defensions of the dungeon and kill the boss at it's end.

Dungeon digging system - dungeon lords are able to dig the dungeon how they like, so each game will be played in different dungeon. Dungeon Lords team will be able to build different traps and rooms, which will annoy heroes (each dungeon lord character will have different creatures with unique abilities)

New Ability system - game includes new, more realistic, ability system. Your melee damage is now always affected by Strength, which also affect HP. Agility now gives chance to critically strike and dodge, as well as attack speed. Intelligence not only gives you tons of mana you won't ever use, it improves effect of almost every single spell. So even Strength-based heroes can profit from increasing Inetlligence

Physics - the enviroment is not just for your eyes, it can be used for your advantage.
Fire spreads on all nearby flammable objects, so you better stay away from those piles of junk on the floor. They can easilly turn into fiery hell.
Lightning spreads easily on metallic object, so a long pipeline can be really uncomfortable to touch. Also plated heroes should stay further from each other;
Support collumns ain't there for fun, they hold the cave together. Destroying them could lead to dangerous cave-ins. And since they are wooden, you should really be careful about waving your torch around it.
More physical features can be added, i would welcome your ideas.

Physics

Items
The dungeon tresure chambers hold many treasures, including powerful magical items. Players can found yellow, orange and, most powerful, red magical shards, which can be reforged into powerful items. This gives players opportunity to fully customize their hero, giving them best chance of defeating dungeon lords.

Items

New Combat System - All Heroes have now chance to critically hit, based on their agility and weapon they are using. Using a heavy weapons gives chance to cleave, which is based on the weapon and strength. Agility also gives chance to dodge an attack. Using parrying weapons increases the chance and may even increase the influence of Agility on dodge.

Combat system

Drugs - Heroes can take various drugs to aid them in battle (pain resistance, improved reflexes...) However, they become more and more addictive to these drugs each time they use them. Clever usage of these drugs is another tactical element.

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[[K40$]-Spectre]

Does it going to include AI? And did you know that dungeon lords is a game? Maybe you could make a squad system for it, like a captain and soldiers that you can't control but do fight with you. Good luck anyway.

 

[M0RT]

I didn't realise that when I chose the name, but when you pointed that out, I remembered I played it myself (although I didn't like it that much)
I think that 4 Heroes are enought to fit in the narrow caves. Maybe some heroes will have companions, but even that seem too much.
I am not planning AI now.

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

How is your map going? Still working on it?

 

[M0RT]

Sure, all the physics and systems are working. I just need to create items, Heroes, traps and such stuff.
You can see I added a screenshot for combat system recently. I am thinking of releasing an alpha-version just for testing the systems.

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

I can test it for you if you want it.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Currently I fail to see how this has anything to do with dungeon keeper.
Anyway, sounds fun for an arena map of some kind.

 

[Lord_of_sausage]

Maybe like in Dungeon Keeper, some units dont go with others. Like a dungeon keep can make Witches, Deathworms, Giant Spiders And Mosqitous. But you must beware, because some monsters cant live together, if a Spider sees a Mosqitou, it will attack it.

 

[M0RT]

Yeah, I am not making a copy of Dungeon Keeper, I was just inspired by the "building a dungeon" thing.
Units will be spawned from dwellings, like in Warchasers. But your idea isn't bad, I may add mercenaries with interesting skills.
But right now I am working on the hero part. Now my item slot system and shard system are working, I just add some items, finish 3 heroes and then I start working on the DL part.

I will release some kind of betaversion asap, so you guys could criticise a bit, I know you all like it

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

Units will be spawned from dwellings, like in Warchasers

, that's a good system, just know that it isn't easy to make it work for more that 1 player.

 

[M0RT]

, that's a good system, just know that it isn't easy to make it work for more that 1 player.

You mean creating the system for more players, or playing against it, is not easy?
I already got the system working for all of the players, with two dwellings, which spawn different units, depending on the role (currently, there is Necromancer with skelotns and skel. archers, ghost with wraiths and bashees and slime with two different slimes) the player has chosen.
It will need some time to balance the systems, also, i want to give Dungeon Lord players some reason not to build all dwellings at the bosses lair, making an infinite undefeatable army.

 

[Anachron]

Looks cool, keep it up..

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

You mean creating the system for more players, or playing against it, is not easy?
I already got the system working for all of the players, with two dwellings, which spawn different units, depending on the role (currently, there is Necromancer with skelotns and skel. archers, ghost with wraiths and bashees and slime with two different slimes) the player has chosen.

, for more players, nice

 

[wereguy2]

Great idea, I cant wait till its done!
If you need a tester, feel free to ask me!

 

[Anachron]

How is it going?

 

[M0RT]

I have almost finished two Heroes (Paladin and Sorceress). There are still some bugs on their abilities, but once I get damage system working ( I have the damage detection for combat system, I just need to include spells in it.), there shouln't be any problems (btw. I need spell which has projectile and puts buff on target).

Once I get the two heroes to work, I will do some work on the Dungeon lords part. Now they have fire traps and two different dwellings. You can choose from three different roles, but the selection system is really bad. Also, the dwelling construction system is broken: the dwelling blights the area around, preventing you from building dwellings too close to each other, which doesn't work, if you build fast enought.

As soon as I get dwelling system working and fix the dungeon lord roles, I will release first beta.

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

You made progress, nice.
I recommend 1 thing though, that have custom hero models. I've seen those WCR3 heroes to often. There are paladin and sorcerer models/skins that aren't to large.

 

[Vegavak]

You may want to use selection scale -1 on the lightning bolt metal point units.

It will prevent the HP bar from showing.

 

[M0RT]

The first beta of dungeon lords was just released, you can find it attached to to first post. It contains 3 dungeon lord characters and 5 heroes (most of them incomplete), but it playable. Most of the systems work

 

[wereguy2]

Yay beta!

EDIT. Played it and think it still need quite a bit of work. As a dungeon lord, how do I get wood? It doesnt really feel like you are playing dungeon keeper, make it so that you can actually dig out room and allocate areas to be lairs, food etc. Pillars dont really drop enough rocks too. Quite a bit of fixable tooltips!
But, since this is a beta, im sure it will get a lot better, I will keep an eye on this.

 

[M0RT]

You get some wood at the beginning, but I already know you can't do much with that. I am going to increase the amount and balance the costs of buildings, so that dungeon lords can build some more.

It would be possible to make the dungeon diggable, but it would take a very long time to prepare the dungeon. This way you don't have so much possibilities, but it's fast enough so that Heroes can start playing soon.

 

[Ninja-Walrus]

Dungeon Lords

Dungeon Lords is a map inspired by "Dungeon Keeper".

I love it already.


anyways, The new abilities systems looks fantastic! I wish I could download the beta, but I need to get TFT back first. So is the game is multiplayer, right? What about the beta?

It doesnt really feel like you are playing dungeon keeper, make it so that you can actually dig out room and allocate areas to be lairs

is that even possible?

 

[wereguy2]

is that even possible?

Well it probably is using some mega complex JASS thingie or something, but M0RT is god at that kind of stuff...
It may involve changing terrain...

 

[M0RT]

You are overestimating my skills, and I don't think changing terrain is possible. I was thinking of a massive amount of cubic rock destructibles, but as I was saying, it would take long time to set up a dungeon, and players in the other team will most propably get bored.

So is the game is multiplayer, right? What about the beta?

The game is indeed multiplayer, one team are dungeon lords and the other team are heroes plundering their dungeon.
The beta is multiplayer as well, but it can be tested in singleplayer, just type -test while playing as red player.

 

[wereguy2]

How about a premade base but with many Destructibles scaterered around in large clumps. I guess it would be possible to make "Buildings" for areas that are just ground textures (namely the undead one) and make certain buildings on buildable on them...
That MAY work...

 

[Soga-]

Generate a whole lot of rocks, then give the Dungeon Lord an unit with huge attacking range that can zap these rocks. Then with just a few right-clicks, you can dig out a room. Maybe also allow an AoE attack for quicker digging.

 

[wereguy2]

But you will have to click on a LOT of rocks...

 

[M0RT]

Ok guys, I am going to try that. I already thought of a system: It won't be rocks, but tiles (like in DK), and diging more tiles next to each other will enable building in there. I have all the algorithms prepared, now just to code it!

EDIT: The system is working, I created tiles from elevator, and dungeon lords can easily remove them by clicking. The buildable detection script also works fine, so tomorrow or on Saturday you will have new beta (also, I added two heroes and lots of different armor types in meantime.)

Edit 2: Screenshots added. You can see red tiles which are about to be removed, and numbers on the removed ones (thats just for testing puproses, 1 means digged tile and 2 digged buildable tile)

 

[wereguy2]

Yaaay!

 

[Lord_of_sausage]

Whoa pretty neat! did you decrease/increase cliffs? if so, how?

 

[M0RT]

No, I created dummy units with elevator model (i had to edit elevator, the in-built model uses "REPLACEABLE ID 11" instead of texture, which, so far I know, doesn't work with units). When you select it, your worker will attack the unit and thereby "dig" the tile out. Screenshots coming in a minute...
Edit: new screenshots with description added

 

[Lord_of_sausage]

So you can only have one building per room? Then, buildings, is nests/lairs right? would be lame if you only could have a torch in a large room

Good idea, though

 

[Levithan01]

looks very nice, I will Play Test with some Friends later and post my findings.

 

[M0RT]

I was forced to do it this way, otherwise players could just dig out huge room and build all lairs at one location, which would be mostly efficient, but a bit stupid. It applies only for "large" buildings like lairs, traps will be buildable anywhere.

 

[Lord_of_sausage]

Goody, was just checkin' ;D

 

[M0RT]

NEW VERSION BETA is here! It allows digging, building rooms and traps. Most of the game functions should work by now.
Also, there are new heroes aviable, check out the Blind Seer!
Due to the complexity of digging system, game can no longer be tested in singleplayer, I will try to do something about that.

 

[wereguy2]

Bah, Ill test it when it can be run singleplayer!

 

[M0RT]

It is singleplayer-testable now, just be sure to write -test within the first 5 seconds of the game, before the countdown shows. Otherwise, you will have 5 seconds to build the entire dungeon. (you still have to be red player to test the game)

 

[Lord_of_sausage]

Uhm... you did something wrong when you optimized the map... You cant play it. Theres no teams, or anything xD

 

[M0RT]

Sorry about that, HeavyLock sometimes does that (don't know why, I always use exactly same settings, but sometimes it just doesn't work out). Fixed version is avaiable now

 

[wereguy2]

While the digging system works fine I have no idea how to do the lair thing :S
More info at the startup and in the Questlog!!!

You should give the dungeon player view of their dungeon, as it is confusing having blocks suddenly appear

EDIT. Ok I figured out how to get buildings and wow, it is great!
However, most other people wont realize on their first try so you should have info pop up when the map starts and a short pause to allow people to read it.
Have the lair terrain change for each different building type (ie. Blight etc)
What are you going to do with the old terrain?
How will the physics engine feature now?
The Boss and secondary dwelling models are the same

 

[M0RT]

Yeah, I know about the missing informations, I will work on that.

I don't know how to change terrain type (I use dummys for changing to blight)

The old terain is propably going to waste, but I was thinking about creating some mini-game for heroes, so they can train to cooperate and don't just wait for the dungeon lords to build the dungeon.

The scripts are not finished yet, columns and bookshelfs will spawn upon building a room, so the fire can happily spread

Thx for testing, btw. you and Lord_of_Sausage are in Credits for the new version for your help

 

[wereguy2]

Eh, glad to help

 

[Lord_of_sausage]

To make tiles:

Blight: Environment - Create/remove blight Region
or Environment - Create/remove blight raduis

Not sure about how to make other tiles, i will see if i can find out

EDIT
I like the digging system, but how the f*ck do i get lumber?

And you have a few problems. The Lords (or whatever it is that can choose to be necromancer, Slime, or the other thing)'s text is wierd, only the necromancers text were good.

In the quest info called "Shards" it says "|Cf00000red shards"

The lightning charger has Tooltip missing, and so on.

 

[M0RT]

That's exactly the problem, I found only adding/removing blight. I could use lot of ubersplats, but that is just a cosmetic issue, I will deal with this later.

You get an exact amount of lumber for each round, depending on the number of heroes against you. When testing, -test will grant wood to the "Dungeon" player, which is used to build rooms, and you can use cheat("leafittome") to get some wood for yourself to build traps.

I will fix the tooltips in the next version, I added those hastily, so the player get at least some information, so naturally they have some flaws.

Lightning charger has not only it's tooltip wrong, but is also brutally overpowered, I am changing that in next version (building them close to each other will possibly result in blowing one of them up)

 

[Lord_of_sausage]

I think it's a little messy or something, might just be because of no opponents

 

[M0RT]

New version out, I did some minor changes (game guide, lighting charger balanced)

Btw. if you have some interesting heroes you would like to see (agility or strength based, i got already 4 casters), tell me, I am currently out of ideas

 

[M0RT]

Is someone still interested in this map?
New version was just released, with some new buildings and minor improvements. The most important thing is the three-round concept of the game, so that the heroes can become really powerful. The only thing left for the first official realease is the mini-game I promised, so that the heroes won't die from boredom (as soon as the minigame is there, building time will be increased to 5 minutes, so that DL have more time to set up all of their traps)

 

[Lord_of_sausage]

Im still intrested, but i haven't been so active lately. Started playing Gmod, Making Flash animations, and other stuff. I visit the site now and then, and when i can host again, i will host this

 

[wereguy2]

Yeah, Im still here
Dont double post

EDIT. Ok played the new version. You need to:
Fix the typos
Fix the tooltips in general
Make a way of getting friggin wood and gold!

Also work on getting the physics working (sounds like it will be awesome)