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That is a good solution, a moderator just for the spam thread. (Others are still allowed/advised to help)
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1. Chat isn't a place to "spam", however... the context you guys call spam here is "talking about your life", and doing so is acceptable in chat, and I even encourage it as this place is a community and we should learn to enjoy eachother beyond the boundaries of modding, the another fact is...we are people with lives and shouldn't ignore that fact, we are more than mere text on a screen :|..
2. Wc3c is NOT AT ALL "everything is legal and peace and love for all", infact they have pretty much the same rules as us :/, no wc3 ripping, no illegal torrents, flaming, spam etc...Infact they were one of the most strictest wc3 sites, especially after the incident with terranup, but have slacked off due to inactivity on the forums. But not "strict" in terms of rules nowdays, more "strict" on what pisses off certain people, especially the staff :/, in other words, they are okay if they like you or you have great artistic or modding material, but if you annoy the mods AND you break the rules (stupidity seems to be in the rules...apparently) they wont really hold back, even other non-staff wc3c veterans...They pretty much encourage the community to piss on those that piss off the staff :/
Not that I hate wc3c at all o.0, infact I prefer alot of the people there as they are more "personal" in the matter of how they speak and arnt tight ass about being robots...but not at all "accepting" as you seem to claim or persuade.
3. Maturity and fun are different factors, but that doesn't mean they cant be both enjoyed or put into play, the thing HIVE wants (or at least SHOULD encourage) isn't "just maturity", but common social etiquette AND having fun at the same time.
4. We DON'T need more mods, infact..we need mods appointed to better areas, alot of the mods duties are infact either too vast, too vague or simply out of their reach :/, in other words..the staff needs to have their appointed areas and focus revised as some areas are left un-seen (eg, texturing forum, apparently no mod there).
-Point is, we dont need a "SPAM/SE/THREAD MOD", we need to encourage said off topic/global etc mods that said "spam forum/area" is NOT a place to be neglected/ignored because the rules are "looser" there.
5. Chat is not strict, the rules are pretty much "common sense", an overal summary of "don't be a dick, don't break the law and remember...this is a family friendly environment...children of all family cultures, moral backgrounds and ethics are present, respect that.", I am honestly astounded how some people think "family friendly" refers to throw dick and pee jokes at eachother all day and bragging about what they did with their "misses" :|...or what they scored illegally of their friends.
Seriously, there is what you call "being laid back" and "being laid back AND not talking shit", people NEED to have self respect in chat as parents should be welcomed and encouraged to watch chat with their children and know hive is a good place for them. I'm okay with chat silliness as I infact try to be involved in a social manner than being "tight" as people seem to think, but there is "fun silly that puts a smile on peoples face and is within the rules" and "unneeded, useless, spammy silly like spamming the word CAT for 30 minutes"...
-You claim chat mods are harsh...you should at least be open-minded and see how we are (Referring to X-chat mods, and consider the fact you were a chatmod yourself)...There are simply rules we have to enforce, if you let one thing go..the chances of it being abused are more likely to follow...infact..moderating chat is not at all easy as there are so many levels, variables and different view points on these "rules" and what people consider "breaks said rules".
....NO one is taking away your rights or freedom, you infact have a choice to break those rules, and we also have the choice to enforce the rules. Don't like how that works? Then you also have the choice to "not be in a public moderated chat" and have such "unmoderated" talk in rl or in private with others. Alot of people seem to ignore the fact "hive chat" isn't the only place to socialize in a more real-time manner.
Alot of people seem to think public chat is a place where they can talk about ANYTHING...the fact is.. it should be viewed as "PUBLIC" place and "PUBLIC" decency should at least be considered as EVERYONE present reads what you "type".
By all means, there is no "fine line" or black and white moderation on chat, but dammit people.....if you want "free speech", consider aiming for self respect and the respect of others first.
6. SE is not "bad", but more to the fact it was NOT moderated and the guidelines for it where not set up, it was pretty much an "offtopic-offtopic forum section"....No one really ever defined the levels of OFFTOPIC/DISCUSSIONS----FUN, SILLY, OKAY----SPAM/GARBAGE....
Instead of having SE, you should merely of made an subsection called "Forum games", as pretty much, SE should of only tolerated partially spammy/silly, consistently used forum games that didn't belong in OT, not shit about Justin.B, MJ, and Miley.C eating icecream and pooping gnomes :| or how certain users are "poo poo heads" or how turtles are blue and have cow legs :|
7. It's quite true, although this thread and some points ARE offtopic, they are infact STILL beneficial and constructive to the overall site...however..alot of the posts I see here (mainly the start of the thread) are merely minor back and forth non constructive points...I find those more useless than the posts in the "What you did today thread"..., if you are going to "discuss removing a spammy, useless thread"...Do so in a constructive manner with actual elaborated points hmmm?
8. I get this vibe some want to make OT and the next MT and kick out anything that resembles "silly"...the fact is already, it already unofficially merged with MT as no one bloody uses MT anymore and people make "serious" threads in OT claiming "no one uses MT anymore, so I am putting this here"...although it's quite proven alot of the people here don't know how to debate when it comes to touchy topics of "Orientation/identity, politics, religion and so forth"...and revert to stupid personal bias arguments...not acknowledging that others infact have useful input even if they don't agree.
9. As I said...If you want to remove that thread, by all means do so, but the MAIN issue here ISN'T the thread, but infact the moderation OF the thread....IF you want it to stay, appoint/encourage someone to mod it... IF you want to replaced...you bloody damn well encourage someone to moderate said replacement or you will be always be back where you started....
There is no point "replacing an annoying spam thread, with a more SPECIFIC spam thread/sub forum to unwind because the other is too messy" when no ones really moderating them..
10. A poll wont change anything, this wont be "concluded" with votes, but a manner of presenting the reasons as to why "X action" would be the most logical and reasonable thing to do.
2. Wc3c is NOT AT ALL "everything is legal and peace and love for all", infact they have pretty much the same rules as us :/, no wc3 ripping, no illegal torrents, flaming, spam etc...Infact they were one of the most strictest wc3 sites, especially after the incident with terranup, but have slacked off due to inactivity on the forums. But not "strict" in terms of rules nowdays, more "strict" on what pisses off certain people, especially the staff :/, in other words, they are okay if they like you or you have great artistic or modding material, but if you annoy the mods AND you break the rules (stupidity seems to be in the rules...apparently) they wont really hold back, even other non-staff wc3c veterans...They pretty much encourage the community to piss on those that piss off the staff :/
Not that I hate wc3c at all o.0, infact I prefer alot of the people there as they are more "personal" in the matter of how they speak and arnt tight ass about being robots...but not at all "accepting" as you seem to claim or persuade.
3. Maturity and fun are different factors, but that doesn't mean they cant be both enjoyed or put into play, the thing HIVE wants (or at least SHOULD encourage) isn't "just maturity", but common social etiquette AND having fun at the same time.
4. We DON'T need more mods, infact..we need mods appointed to better areas, alot of the mods duties are infact either too vast, too vague or simply out of their reach :/, in other words..the staff needs to have their appointed areas and focus revised as some areas are left un-seen (eg, texturing forum, apparently no mod there).
-Point is, we dont need a "SPAM/SE/THREAD MOD", we need to encourage said off topic/global etc mods that said "spam forum/area" is NOT a place to be neglected/ignored because the rules are "looser" there.
5. Chat is not strict, the rules are pretty much "common sense", an overal summary of "don't be a dick, don't break the law and remember...this is a family friendly environment...children of all family cultures, moral backgrounds and ethics are present, respect that.", I am honestly astounded how some people think "family friendly" refers to throw dick and pee jokes at eachother all day and bragging about what they did with their "misses" :|...or what they scored illegally of their friends.
Seriously, there is what you call "being laid back" and "being laid back AND not talking shit", people NEED to have self respect in chat as parents should be welcomed and encouraged to watch chat with their children and know hive is a good place for them. I'm okay with chat silliness as I infact try to be involved in a social manner than being "tight" as people seem to think, but there is "fun silly that puts a smile on peoples face and is within the rules" and "unneeded, useless, spammy silly like spamming the word CAT for 30 minutes"...
-You claim chat mods are harsh...you should at least be open-minded and see how we are (Referring to X-chat mods, and consider the fact you were a chatmod yourself)...There are simply rules we have to enforce, if you let one thing go..the chances of it being abused are more likely to follow...infact..moderating chat is not at all easy as there are so many levels, variables and different view points on these "rules" and what people consider "breaks said rules".
....NO one is taking away your rights or freedom, you infact have a choice to break those rules, and we also have the choice to enforce the rules. Don't like how that works? Then you also have the choice to "not be in a public moderated chat" and have such "unmoderated" talk in rl or in private with others. Alot of people seem to ignore the fact "hive chat" isn't the only place to socialize in a more real-time manner.
Alot of people seem to think public chat is a place where they can talk about ANYTHING...the fact is.. it should be viewed as "PUBLIC" place and "PUBLIC" decency should at least be considered as EVERYONE present reads what you "type".
By all means, there is no "fine line" or black and white moderation on chat, but dammit people.....if you want "free speech", consider aiming for self respect and the respect of others first.
6. SE is not "bad", but more to the fact it was NOT moderated and the guidelines for it where not set up, it was pretty much an "offtopic-offtopic forum section"....No one really ever defined the levels of OFFTOPIC/DISCUSSIONS----FUN, SILLY, OKAY----SPAM/GARBAGE....
Instead of having SE, you should merely of made an subsection called "Forum games", as pretty much, SE should of only tolerated partially spammy/silly, consistently used forum games that didn't belong in OT, not shit about Justin.B, MJ, and Miley.C eating icecream and pooping gnomes :| or how certain users are "poo poo heads" or how turtles are blue and have cow legs :|
7. It's quite true, although this thread and some points ARE offtopic, they are infact STILL beneficial and constructive to the overall site...however..alot of the posts I see here (mainly the start of the thread) are merely minor back and forth non constructive points...I find those more useless than the posts in the "What you did today thread"..., if you are going to "discuss removing a spammy, useless thread"...Do so in a constructive manner with actual elaborated points hmmm?
8. I get this vibe some want to make OT and the next MT and kick out anything that resembles "silly"...the fact is already, it already unofficially merged with MT as no one bloody uses MT anymore and people make "serious" threads in OT claiming "no one uses MT anymore, so I am putting this here"...although it's quite proven alot of the people here don't know how to debate when it comes to touchy topics of "Orientation/identity, politics, religion and so forth"...and revert to stupid personal bias arguments...not acknowledging that others infact have useful input even if they don't agree.
9. As I said...If you want to remove that thread, by all means do so, but the MAIN issue here ISN'T the thread, but infact the moderation OF the thread....IF you want it to stay, appoint/encourage someone to mod it... IF you want to replaced...you bloody damn well encourage someone to moderate said replacement or you will be always be back where you started....
There is no point "replacing an annoying spam thread, with a more SPECIFIC spam thread/sub forum to unwind because the other is too messy" when no ones really moderating them..
10. A poll wont change anything, this wont be "concluded" with votes, but a manner of presenting the reasons as to why "X action" would be the most logical and reasonable thing to do.
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I thought we already had that, so what I'm implying is that those positions should be strengthened, either by adding more moderators or motivating the already appointed ones to work harder.
I was referring to this very thread.
If you're referring to my post, then I did not at all mean to imply that WC3C was more accepting, I was actually implying the opposite, that WC3C would be the strict one and Hive is opting to be the more loose and kind - at least that's what I've heard, one of Hive's "qualities" is that they are kinder towards beginners. Either way, I summed up to us being pretty much the same, with the exception of the community.
Which it currently fails to achieve, in my opinion.
Agreed.
Wise words, and the ideal you are presenting would work just fine if chat-moderators actually cared for that ideal, and didn't compete to get the most kicks per day or whatever the contest is. I'm noticing a load of completely unnecessary kicks and bans, and also incredibly long bans for petty crimes (I assume most of them are justifiable by repeated crime, but it's still amazing how many bans are handed out per day, and I probably only notice 5% of them).
I never visited SE (never knew of it's existence until a sticky popped up saying OT is not SE) so I have no idea what was ever located in there, but to me it sounded like a place for completely random spam and forum games, which is common for most forums. The result of removing such a forum is usually what we see in OT today; the regulars need to find other areas to continue their behaviour.
My point exactly, good to know somebody else sees it that way.
The problem with MT, pardon me for bringing it up in an indirectly related thread, is pretty much that you have to be accepted in, rather than being kicked out. Give everyone a chance, and kick those out that can't take the discussions seriously. It makes more work in the beginning, but as you filter out the idiots it'll be a much more open and serious atmosphere.
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We should only let people with 500 rep+ post in some elite subforum in OT. Just like what the medihv's tower concept was all about until just about anyone could manage to get +15 rep in like 2-3 days. We should get a serious mod -not Elenai for example- and make the punishments really severe and we'd get ourselves a "something intelligent" forum.
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No, no, no. That's gay. We are not elitish, are we? Go to wc3campaigns if you want to be.
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For people who think that the chat is a place for spam, you should keep track of the sort of conversations that go on there.
It may theoretically not be, but in reality it is and it's best of it channels that from the rest of the forum.
It may theoretically not be, but in reality it is and it's best of it channels that from the rest of the forum.
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Exactly my point. And it's easy to find and access for those who like it.
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I edited my post ... like made it a bit more constructive.
Anyway, it's not the elitism I was talking about. You just picked that word out. I mean. None of the new people could talk in there and fuck the place up with their tendency to not read a single thread but still post as if they have any idea about what's going on or to ask questions that were already answered a few pages back. I mean... a board where punishments are really harsh... (I realize that wasn't in my post when you were replying to it) and where stupidity would get a punishment.
Edit: If THW can show that an intellectual forum can stay active without flaming or trolling, everything is okay, right?
If not, they have no reason to find OT retarded and they should stop whining.
We should at least give it a try, even though chances are slim.
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How the hell is rep supposed to determine intelligence?
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Know anything better to base a selection of users of?
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At one point, Hakeem pretty much accepted everyone who wanted to get into MT. I dunno if he still does it now, but regardless it caused an inflow of retarded posts, with virtually no benefit over the original system. It really shouldn't be that hard of a job to determine who is fit to speak in MT either, by the way.shiiK said:
It isn't that hard to figure out if someone is retarded or not.Devine said:
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So it didn't work for Medvih's tower, and you want to try it again because..?
and no, there's no reason to segregate the users, especially by something as shallow as reputation gems.
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Judging someone's intelligence based on rep is stupid. I know lots of people with almost no rep who are fairly intelligent people, and lots of people with lots of rep who are complete morons.
You don't. At all. Unless you want to invite people only. Rep should play no part in this.
You get rep based on how many jokes you make and how many resources you make. Not how intelligent you are.
Can someone please tell me why we are arguing about a thread that you don't have to go to?
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Yeah, the thing is that in order to be accepted in you'd at least have to ask, and that's actually enough for people not to bother. The only issue over at MT right now is lack of activity, there's probably several reasons for that, but one of them is lacking people.
If people had access from the start (well, perhaps a barrier of time, post-count or something similar to prevent the people who are kicked out from making secondary accounts) the activity would (probably) rise. Of course, there'd be a lot of crap to clean up, but once the idiots have been banned from the board, it would most likely flourish with a much larger "intelligent community" within the board.
You're right, it's not hard at all.
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MT didn't work out well simply because the users who weren't fit to post there were given permission to do so (by whoever was in charge). By starting over with MT and by being more strict with who is given permission and not, I think it could work out just fine,
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Rejecting someone would cause drama if the reason is "you're retarded". If you say "you need 200 more rep" he'll be like "zomg gotta contribute awesome resources so I can join the board. :3
Inviting could work, yet again, people would get frustrated for not getting an invitation. Also, I'm a bad person in the chat, I won't get invited. So rep-based posting ftw.
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Then stop being a bad person in the chat?
I mean, if someone can't behave in the chat, then how can this someone be trusted with permissions to post in a forum for serious discussions?
I mean, if someone can't behave in the chat, then how can this someone be trusted with permissions to post in a forum for serious discussions?
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If people are too lazy to ask permission to join a forum for serious discussion (which should take only a couple seconds), I'm not convinced that they'll provide any well-thought material at all.shiiK said:
It's a forum for intelligent discussion. Intelligent people are supposed to have intelligent discussions. Intelligent people are often not retarded. So the "intelligent discussion only" rule pretty much equates to "no retards allowed."Devine said:
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So if you were retarded, you wouldn't start a drama in the site discussion forum because the moderator in the elite forum said you were too retarded to post in there?
I think you don't really realize just how retarded people can be.
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Hey guys.
It's just a thread.
It's just a thread.
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Half the people here can't get that... or maybe 9/10ths of the people here...
Actually that's probably why this thread was created...
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It's funny seeing how the discussing is moving to a point which has no actual connection with my main phrase.
My conclusion is: Get that damn thread moderated and @ people in chat: stop being retarded and act maturely. There is no bad thing about it, really.
My conclusion is: Get that damn thread moderated and @ people in chat: stop being retarded and act maturely. There is no bad thing about it, really.
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Your right only If everyone work with each other.
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If we'll delete it, all the spam will flood other threads, since there's no Something Else, people need at least a thread to spam.
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This.
I'll close the thread now.
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/off-topic-478/what-you-did-today-145655/
Done
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Official community response:
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now watch as the rest of OT gets more spam
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Worse decision, but whatever.
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I have a bad feeling about this D:
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also did you even read this thread
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Yes, but what you did today was a nice bucket to catch all the nothing that leaked from everyone.
Now that you caped off the pipe, it's bound to go critical and leak sewage somewhere else.
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If I set a poll to determine if we need it, is there a chance it gets taken seriously by the High Command staff?
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Maybe everyone can just shut up and keep their anecdotes, deceased pet stories, drinking problems, etc. to themselves? Or the chat? Or people who actually care? I don't see why this absolutely has to end with spam overflowing the OT section.
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Too bad we're not all supremely logical beings like you, imagine the possibilities
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Well apparently a lot of people like to share these things and I don't see why Squiggy closed it, I mean it's even being moderated at by the mods, so those who don't want to post there, just don't open it then.
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Actually, the purpose of a "spam" thread was not simply sharing what individuals have been doing, which yes, most people don't care about. The thread has been serving as a dump for stuff like funny vids, pictures, discussions, whatever else. I don't see anything wrong with having a thread for that.
Is there an actual reason why we are enforcing this all work and no play philosophy anyway?
Is there an actual reason why we are enforcing this all work and no play philosophy anyway?
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I don't know but I certainly don't like it
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Why exactly was it closed? You could have simply not gone to the thread...
Its funny how people want this site to be no entertainment and all serious business. When infact, the site is here for modifications to a game that is played for...entertainment...
Because, it makes people on this site feel good when they get to call other people stupid. Its something I've noticed here.
Why do you care? Seriously. It's one thread...What is the spam ruining? Just don't go there...
It's as if there is an island somewhere where people slap each other all the time. Everyone on the island loves to slap each other. Everyone not on the island hates to slap each other. So, everyone not on the island decides to destroy the island... YOUR NOT ON THE FREAKING ISLAND. THOSE BLOODY ISLANDERS CAN HAVE THEIR SLAPS. Plus, if you destroy the island, they will all just come here to slap us.
Its funny how people want this site to be no entertainment and all serious business. When infact, the site is here for modifications to a game that is played for...entertainment...
Because, it makes people on this site feel good when they get to call other people stupid. Its something I've noticed here.
Why do you care? Seriously. It's one thread...What is the spam ruining? Just don't go there...
It's as if there is an island somewhere where people slap each other all the time. Everyone on the island loves to slap each other. Everyone not on the island hates to slap each other. So, everyone not on the island decides to destroy the island... YOUR NOT ON THE FREAKING ISLAND. THOSE BLOODY ISLANDERS CAN HAVE THEIR SLAPS. Plus, if you destroy the island, they will all just come here to slap us.
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It's an e-peen thing, really. People talk with ludicrously correct grammar, troll others and try to act like like they're 40 to make themselves believe they're intelligent or superior to others.
That's the internet for you.
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This.
Not that I'm overly pissed about the thread being closed, but just closing it while people still were discussing the possibilities is pretty rude. At least take some time to delve into the issue at hand before you handle it.
Having an offline chat can't possibly hurt the community, so I can't see why we shouldn't have one here just because we're a modding site.
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Omg, I seriously can't understand how you can make such a drama about a damn thread. If you guys love to communicate that much why don't you just join the chat or something. If there's a special issue you wan't to talk about, may it be something serious or the most unimportant shit ever, just create a new thread. If you just seek communication, join the chat, It's meant to be for that, by the way.
Nuff said.
Nuff said.
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Actually the better question is, how can you guys make such a drama about a thread which doesn't bother people if no one opens it?
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There's two issues with handling this stuff in a live chat:
1) People live in different time-zones and are available at limited times every day/week/month, thus communicating like that is made very difficult.
2) An offline chat leaves a lot more time to write fully detailed replies without being disturbed by other comments or new questions on the go.
.. and before you start hammering PM/VM into my forehead; chats like these often involve more than two people.
Yes, we can make separate threads for every topic, but most of them would be considered useless and spammy, others would devolve into mindless flame-wars because people that are otherwise not so interested ignite upon discovering an interesting title, for example.
I'm just saying it's easier to handle this kind of talk in one thread, because the discussions are short and you're not interested in hearing everybody on the forum's opinion before you move on to something else.
1) People live in different time-zones and are available at limited times every day/week/month, thus communicating like that is made very difficult.
2) An offline chat leaves a lot more time to write fully detailed replies without being disturbed by other comments or new questions on the go.
.. and before you start hammering PM/VM into my forehead; chats like these often involve more than two people.
Yes, we can make separate threads for every topic, but most of them would be considered useless and spammy, others would devolve into mindless flame-wars because people that are otherwise not so interested ignite upon discovering an interesting title, for example.
I'm just saying it's easier to handle this kind of talk in one thread, because the discussions are short and you're not interested in hearing everybody on the forum's opinion before you move on to something else.
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I'm willing to wager there will be a replacement for the thread popping up sometime within the next week or so - it won't look exactly the same or be worded in the same way, but eventually it'll be the same thing again.
(And no I'm not implying that I'm going to make one - I'm just saying that closing this thread will just make another one sooner or later)
(And no I'm not implying that I'm going to make one - I'm just saying that closing this thread will just make another one sooner or later)
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This would prove that most of our users like to spam, but agreed. I think so, too.
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Valid, but you can't just say whatever you want in chat whenever you feel like it.
For the thread to be closed as soon as a mod sees it, right? Then your just wasting space for threads that acually have a meaning.
Personally, I think closing a single thread that is full of spammy messages that let people release all their spammy thoughts is kinda healthy in a large community like the Hive. It keeps people from creating garbage threads or threads that ask a small question that might not need a thread in a mods opinion.
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ok first off, no one can prevent stupidity. the only way to minimize it is to contain it. That was "What Did You Do Today?" Thread. Without this containment. Stupidity runs amok. Its That Simple.
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... in other words, watch as OT stays exactly as stupid as it already is!
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