Deadlock [NE] 2.4/2.5

[deepstrasz]

Those blackish human structures just look like laziness to me. There are so many models on this site... At least you could have edited the original skins...

 

[Daffa]

To be honest yeah, I was lazy with the buildings (and even unit) models. After a search as per your comment, I found that many model for buildings doesn't suit how I emphasize the buildings of the empire, so many have yet to change.
Though, thanks to it, I found many decent unit models for replacement of the current ones.

 

[Daffa]

Version 1.1

Aesthetic modifications for the entire Night Empire
Increase Emperor's Null Wave cooldown from 90 to 120 seconds
Increase Emperor's Emperor's Call mana cost by 25
Increase Ambusher's Night Walk duration by 10 and cooldown by 15
Reduces General's Grand Slam damage for level 3 by 0.75
Reduces Ambusher's starting Intelligence by 5
Increase Ambusher's starting Agility by 5
Increase Magician's Water Gush damage for level 1 by 5
Increase Deflective Shield research time by 10, lumber cost by 50
Deflective Shield now gives additional armor and health to affected units
Reduces Vitality Training health bonus by 25
Force upgrade now increases Phantom Cannon range by 100
Reduces Worker, Lancer and Elite Guard max health by 25
Reduces Sky Guardian's Thunderstrikes damage by 10
Added Magic Allies upgrade
Magus Empowerment and Magic Shield now requires Magic Allies
Sky Guardians now deal Magic damage instead of Siege damage
Vitality Training now requires Dark Armor
Reduced Emperor's Emperor's Call damage from 30/45/60 to 20/30/40
Increase Dispel Magic mana cost by 5
Increase Vitality Training research time by 60 seconds

The new models for the units and building aren't uploaded yet.

EDIT :

I meant new version screenshots.

 

[Cherrymage]

Cool, gotta try this out

 

[Supernickman 32]

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Off the reviews Episode 10: Deadlock [NE]
What is Deadlock [Night Empire]?
This is altered melee map that adds Night empire that technically is a race but author calls it only a army that is part of human race.

1. Gameplay and Summary
I spent a lot hours playing map and it was interesting. At first play time i was
lost, after sometime i realized how to play. Night empire is powerful, i can rush through creeps and enemies with hero and few summoned soldiers. But don't think it will remain like that all the time, about half times that i played map i was close to defeat, because my units were just dying and enemy just kept rushing.
I spawned many slayers, since they attack damage is big and no one can spot them, but they are
weak, only 25 hp. Night elves had Warden, so one used ability and all my mighty army died.
When i first played map found out about tactic that i call 'slayer attack'.
Create little army of slayers and send them to base of enemy, but as i mentioned earlier that won't work easy against elves and humans. I would suggest to add few buildings such as defensive towers.

2. Aesthetics
I won't write much here, because it's standard edited tft melee map.
When i read the name i thought, in this map you will be able to play as race that is more similar to night elves or undead, but then i read description and played map.

3. Bugs
I found only one thing that i can call bug. Night empire buildings (most) of them are edit of standard human buildings just changed color of model, so before i place building i see that it looks as standard model, but then it colors in black.

Bug

Before Building

After Building

Rate.
_________________________________________________________________
- Gameplay 29/40
- Terrain 10/10
- Enjoyably 20/20
- Bonus points 3 (points for creating new race and models)
- Total points 62 = 9
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Awesome 70/70 = 10 (with bonus points 81/81)
Good ,but could be better 50/70 = 9
Not bad 40.9/70 = 8
Nicely 35/70 = 7
Too hard to you? 28.5/70 = 6
You tried ,but only half 20/70 = 5
Nice ,but with this you'll never be good mapmaker 15.5 =4
Try harder 10/70 = 3
Thanks, you failed 5/70 = 2
This sucks 0/70 = 1
Converting to Hive rate system: 4.3/5
+Rep for you

 

[Daffa]

Thank you for the review, allow me to reply to it :
1. Gameplay and Summary
I intend Slayer as your little harass weapon to prevent enemy expanding, though from what you describe there it seemed I went overboard with them. Need to nerf their damage and reconsider their cost as well as their abilities.
To be fair, all races should be able to counter Slayers. Though they can counter them at different stages. Though so far I found Orc and Undead are having a bad time since they lack proper truesight when played by AI. Humans are having easier time by using their towers, gyro and etc.
In regards to defensive building. I was considering it but it would gave away a major weakness. I hope you did notice they have this "Magic Shield" research which turn the battle upside down when it goes to sieges, which is meant to replace the towers. Though I did nerf them in the next yet-to-be-released version.
2. Aesthetics
Yeah, it's the usual Deadlock map by Blizz. The name actually taken from my RP faction when it was Hive 1. If you by any chance ever read Resistance Against Cake Crusade (RACC) RP, you might notice this faction (as well as the reference of Sky Guardians).
3. Bug
I can't do much in this regard. Though the only viable solution is to re-model them with proper colors via magos, I lack experience in the field.

 

[Chaosy]

Grey scale would probably be better. But that's a pain.

 

[Daffa]

Grey scale would probably be better. But that's a pain.

Well, it's RGB play actually. Unless you meant transparency

 

[Chaosy]

You'd have export and convert to gray scale. It cannot be done by changing rgb settings

As I said, super bothersome.

 

[Daffa]

Ouch, that's hurt to know
Anyway, rolling the update in...

 

[Supernickman 32]

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My opinion are subjective, it can't be same as yours. Let's begin.


Off the reviews Episode 10: Deadlock [NE]
What is Deadlock [Night Empire]?
This is altered melee map that add Night empire that technically a race but author call it only a army that are part of human race.

1. Gameplay and Summary
I spend a lot hours playing map and it was interesting. At first play time i was
lost, after a time i realized how to play. Night empire are powerful, i can rush through creeps and enemies with hero and few summoned soldiers. But don't think it will be all time, about half times that i played map i was close to defeat my units were just dying and enemy just made rush.
I spawned many slayers, since they attack are big and no one can spot them, but they are
deadly only 25 hp. Night elves had Warden, so one used ability and all my mighty army were death.
When i first played map found out about tactic that i call slayer attack.
Create little army of slayers and send them to base of enemy, but as i mentioned earlier that wont work easy against elves and humans. I would suggest to add few buildings such as defensive towers.

2. Aesthetics
I won't write here much, because it's standard tft melee map edited.
When i read the name i thought in this map you will be able to play as race that is more similar to night elves or undead, but then i read description and played map.

3. Bugs
I found only one thing that i can call bug. Night empire buildings (most) of them are edit of standard human buildings just changed color of model, so before i place building i see that it look as standard, but then it colors in black.

Bug

Before Building

After Building

Rate.
_________________________________________________________________
- Gameplay 29/40
- Terrain 10/10
- Enjoyably 20/20
- Bonus points 3 (points for creating new race and models)
- Total points 62 = 9
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Awesome 70/70 = 10 (with bonus points 81/81)
Good ,but could be better 50/70 = 9
Not bad 40.9/70 = 8
Nicely 35/70 = 7
Too hard to you? 28.5/70 = 6
You tried ,but only half 20/70 = 5
Nice ,but with this you never be good mapmaker 15.5 =4
Try harder 10/70 = 3
Thanks seat down two 5/70 = 2
This sucks 0/70 = 1
Converting to Hive rate system: 4.3/5
+Rep for you

Addition to my review
Note that's not full review just addition after i played new version. Rate also was changed.

Surprises
When i played new version i was surprised by, first town hall is called "Manor" second you can build scout tower by worker. Also slayer name was changed to assassin and their health and attack was remade, i'm happy because now slayers aren't so deadly as they was before, but in same time i'm sad since they not so powerful as they was before. Second new upgrades such as "Mobile Deployment upgrade". This time i played lesser than before and again i was close to defeat, when game was close to end i build 2 Manors in main base to protect it (And yes i played with AI).

Screenshots from my playthrough

Rate.
_________________________________________________________________
- Gameplay 33/40
- Terrain 10/10
- Enjoyably 20/20
- Bonus points 9 (points for creating new race and models, and update)
- Total points 72 = 9
_________________________________________________________________
Awesome 70/70 = 10 (with bonus points 81/81)
Good ,but could be better 50/70 = 9
Not bad 40.9/70 = 8
Nicely 35/70 = 7
Too hard to you? 28.5/70 = 6
You tried ,but only half 20/70 = 5
Nice ,but with this you never be good mapmaker 15.5 =4
Try harder 10/70 = 3
Thanks seat down two 5/70 = 2
This sucks 0/70 = 1
Converting to Hive rate system: 4.6/5

 

[Daffa]

@Supernickman 32
Thanks for the addition.

Manor reinforcement actually act as substitute for base defense (since you don't have defense towers). Though I consider adding these to certain buildings as well (with less duration and amount, ofc) to make things more interesting for them.
Also, in my runs, I rarely mass slayers due to their low health (even with the last update, a mortar/meat wagon/demolisher/ballista's splash will send them to their doom). I would rather recommend massing Knights with some Loyalists/Lancers to back them up in front (and one or two Elite Guard) followed with spellcaster and ranged troops behind them.
Main reason Slayer is there is to serve as your little harass to delay enemy expansion (this is critical especially FFA battles), not meant to be massed though I like the idea (and maybe one day I made them a direct combat troop... nah let's keep that for another race specialized in shadow technology )
Also, you should not rely on 1 hero alone in NE. I tried to make them go well with each other ; General for crippling foes (slow, reinforcement), Emperor for offensive support (disable, call, buff <get the buff and aura along with Scholar and see what happens >), Ambusher for key targets (sabotage <watch those critical structure torn apart quickly>, fatal strike <which is like instant death to heroes>), and Magician for crowd control (all his spells are meant to help kill en masse, except the aura which is to prolong his survival).

As always, I appreciate the review

 

[Supernickman 32]

@Supernickman 32
Thanks for the addition.

Manor reinforcement actually act as substitute for base defense (since you don't have defense towers). Though I consider adding these to certain buildings as well (with less duration and amount, ofc) to make things more interesting for them.
Also, in my runs, I rarely mass slayers due to their low health (even with the last update, a mortar/meat wagon/demolisher/ballista's splash will send them to their doom). I would rather recommend massing Knights with some Loyalists/Lancers to back them up in front (and one or two Elite Guard) followed with spellcaster and ranged troops behind them.
Main reason Slayer is there is to serve as your little harass to delay enemy expansion (this is critical especially FFA battles), not meant to be massed though I like the idea (and maybe one day I made them a direct combat troop... nah let's keep that for another race specialized in shadow technology )
Also, you should not rely on 1 hero alone in NE. I tried to make them go well with each other ; General for crippling foes (slow, reinforcement), Emperor for offensive support (disable, call, buff <get the buff and aura along with Scholar and see what happens >), Ambusher for key targets (sabotage <watch those critical structure torn apart quickly>, fatal strike <which is like instant death to heroes>), and Magician for crowd control (all his spells are meant to help kill en masse, except the aura which is to prolong his survival).

As always, I appreciate the review

About slayers. I don't i use them in mass attacks, since they still are too deadly i basically use them at base protect and final attacks on enemy expands and bases.

 

[Daffa]

About slayers. I don't i use them in mass attacks, since they still are too deadly i basically use them at base protect and final attacks on enemy expands and bases.

I see. Well, using one hero only is not a great idea with this race

---

Anyway, going to insert a small update soon. Just aesthetic changes and a unique music theme for the race (ain't fair if others got but they don't).

EDIT :

UPDATED!
This is a minor update. The only biggie are a major bug fix and the music.

 

[Supernickman 32]

I see. Well, using one hero only is not a great idea with this race

---

Anyway, going to insert a small update soon. Just aesthetic changes and a unique music theme for the race (ain't fair if others got but they don't).

EDIT :

UPDATED!
This is a minor update. The only biggie are a major bug fix and the music.

You know music are atmospheric and so are GREAT!

Edit: Also i think you need change hotkeys, since most of them don't make sense such as Manor[Q] or Military Command[W].

 

[Daffa]

@Supernickman 32
I made the hotkey following the keyboard ;
QWER
ASDF
ZXCV

That's why some didn't make sense.

 

[Rufus]

I find it weird that you must build a ranch before the barracks though, but it is not a very beig deal.
Pretty sloppy, I must say. Thebuildings was basically just human buildings tinted darker. The emperor had an ability that buffed nearby allies, and the buff is placed weirdly udner them, rather than embracing them. The loyalist had the "web" ability. It could have been nice with something fitting the unit more. HolyShield has a big letter in the middle of his name.
Music is cool, but not realy useful for melee though.
I liked the idea of the infiltrator! I also liked the tiers. They do not just dep

I think there are a great deal of issues with the race already. Status set to awaiting update.

 

[Daffa]

I find it weird that you must build a ranch before the barracks though, but it is not a very beig deal.
Pretty sloppy, I must say. Thebuildings was basically just human buildings tinted darker. The emperor had an ability that buffed nearby allies, and the buff is placed weirdly udner them, rather than embracing them. The loyalist had the "web" ability. It could have been nice with something fitting the unit more. HolyShield has a big letter in the middle of his name.
Music is cool, but not realy useful for melee though.
I liked the idea of the infiltrator! I also liked the tiers. They do not just dep

I think there are a great deal of issues with the race already. Status set to awaiting update.

Thanks for the review. It seems there's a cut in the dep, so I can't get the last sentence message quite well. Would be helpful to clarify it for me.

The ranch requirement will be removed in the next version.

In what ways they're sloppy? The requirement system? The teching method? The units distribution? Unique traits?

I'll take care of the Web ability.

The names are actually directly taken from the RP for most heroes, hence the middle uppercase. But if it's a bother, I can rewrite them.

Actually, Infiltrator is meant to be a way to stole tech from enemies, in similar way of Undead Banshee with Possession.

The tier is a concept I took from Red Alert where building 1 is needed to build Building 2 and so on.

I took note of the building models and will find suitable replacement for them.

 

[Rufus]

...depend on the main buildings upgrade.
Shit. There was something more here I think, but I can't remember. :/

The sloppy things was the things I listed after it. It is also the general feeling I got from the map, based on the other things that I talked about in the review. Do you think I'm unfair, or can you agree?

Perhaps you can have a capital letter in the middle of a name in english, but it didn't seem to fit here. Keep it if you think it does work.

 

[Daffa]

@Rufus
Well, I see most of the point though

I would agree in most part, though the 'my map' me will never accept disapproval in any form but don't worry about it. It's fair, considering they're still in need of improvements.

Well, I do figure that as well when I do the RP but never bother changing them.

Also, for the buff, it's mostly the unit's attachment point and how the buff itself works. I'll check if using head attachment instead circumvent the issue.

EDIT :

Should I discard the music? It was meant to make the race unique though.

 

[Rufus]

Try the overhead attachment for the buff! Those shields tend to stick the best there.
Nah, don't discard the music. It did bring some atmosphere into the game.

 

[Deleted member 247165]

Grand Review Exchange:

1)Gameplay - quietly interesting and cool but it can also be improved more with additional "touches" (Think about it) 4/5
2)Terrain - such types of map might use a normal terrain but that doesn't mean you cannot make one that looks like "the reborn of Warcraft 3" 3/5
3)Bugs - I think that the techtrees aren't in such a balance. Some are powerful, others are weaker. Try polishing that 4/5
My rating for your mod is 4/5 ! Good luck and keep working on it!

 

[deepstrasz]

Thoughts

Quick Deploy's icon is the same as Elite Guard's and as Command's.
Snare should be placed under the Loyalist.
Why do the Bank and Lumber Mill have the same upgrades with the exception of the Lumber Harvesting upgrade that is only present in the mill?
The Loyalists have the Deflecting Shield ability placed somewhere up under the Hold Position command instead of to the left of the Snare where there's nothing or somewhere else. It's not a passive so it doesn't look good placed like that not even like the Bowman's passive is.
Moon Blade's icon looks as if it were an active ability. I suggest using this tool to create a PASBTN: Button Manager v1.8.2
Well, the Infiltrator cannot capture organic buildings (night elf)
Deploying a Scout Post takes less than a second.
Hero spells aren't really different from normal WcIII ones. Some spell icons don't match their concept.
The orb in the shop is nothing different from the one for the undead.
For instance, the Blade of the Moon should be present along with a mention that it's the last infantry upgrade. I'm referring to the Elite's ability (Cleaving Attack) description.

Some more unit variation and even more races would be nice.

A pretty hard techtree to master. It's a bit chaotic. The concept is OK but not that well executed.

Set to Awaiting Update.

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[Daffa]

Quick Deploy's icon is the same as Elite Guard's and as Command's.
Snare should be placed under the Loyalist.
Why do the Bank and Lumber Mill have the same upgrades with the exception of the Lumber Harvesting upgrade that is only present in the mill?
The Loyalists have the Deflecting Shield ability placed somewhere up under the Hold Position command instead of to the left of the Snare where there's nothing or somewhere else. It's not a passive so it doesn't look good placed like that not even like the Bowman's passive is.
Moon Blade's icon looks as if it were an active ability. I suggest using this tool to create a PASBTN: Button Manager v1.8.2
Well, the Infiltrator cannot capture organic buildings (night elf)
Deploying a Scout Post takes less than a second.
Hero spells aren't really different from normal WcIII ones. Some spell icons don't match their concept.
The orb in the shop is nothing different from the one for the undead.
For instance, the Blade of the Moon should be present along with a mention that it's the last infantry upgrade. I'm referring to the Elite's ability (Cleaving Attack) description.

Some more unit variation and even more races would be nice.

A pretty hard techtree to master. It's a bit chaotic. The concept is OK but not that well executed.

For the icon, I will find suitable replacements soon.
I was intended to add a "Gold" upgrade in the bank. Well, to think of it, I think lumber mill better preserved as weapon upgrading and bank as economical boosts.
Bowman's ability is not a passive, it's an active. I'm planning to remake the bowman's abilities.
I'll get a better icon along then.
To be honest, this project was suppose to be dead. It's just that the fact it's more than half done was the reason I still continue before the initial release, hence the spells.
The third level has it in their tooltip. Should be shown in all weapon level?

Nah, this is for one race, another race goes elsewhere.

I tried to keep it unique without being difficult but I guess I have some good changing to do. Actually, the entire tier is simple :
Tier 1 -> Tier 2 -> Tier 3 -> Magic Allies
(Yeah, 4 tiers)

I admit it being difficult.

The slash means already fixed for next release.

EDIT :
I noticed you refer to the Night's Shield. I though you were referring to Invisible Move, sorry.

 

[Supernickman 32]

Addition to my review
Note that's not full review just addition after i played new version. Rate also was changed.

Surprises
When i played new version i was surprised by, first town hall is called "Manor" second you can build scout tower by worker. Also slayer name was changed to assassin and their health and attack was remade, i'm happy because now slayers aren't so deadly as they was before, but in same time i'm sad since they not so powerful as they was before. Second new upgrades such as "Mobile Deployment upgrade". This time i played lesser than before and again i was close to defeat, when game was close to end i build 2 Manors in main base to protect it (And yes i played with AI).

Screenshots from my playthrough

Rate.
_________________________________________________________________
- Gameplay 33/40
- Terrain 10/10
- Enjoyably 20/20
- Bonus points 9 (points for creating new race and models, and update)
- Total points 72 = 9
_________________________________________________________________
Awesome 70/70 = 10 (with bonus points 81/81)
Good ,but could be better 50/70 = 9
Not bad 40.9/70 = 8
Nicely 35/70 = 7
Too hard to you? 28.5/70 = 6
You tried ,but only half 20/70 = 5
Nice ,but with this you never be good mapmaker 15.5 =4
Try harder 10/70 = 3
Thanks seat down two 5/70 = 2
This sucks 0/70 = 1
Converting to Hive rate system: 4.6/5

Addition
Nicely done Daffa the mage, i'm impressed, new models, sounds etc.
I have nothing to write only just a new rate.

Rate.
_________________________________________________________________
- Gameplay 38/40
- Terrain 10/10
- Enjoyably 20/20
- Bonus points 11 (points for creating new races with new models)
- Total points 79 = 4.8
_________________________________________________________________
Awesome 70/70 = 5 (with bonus points 81/81)
Nice 50/70 = 4
Well... 30/70 = 3
Thanks seat down two 10/70 = 2
This sucks 0/70 = 1

 

[Daffa]

Some sneak peek for the next release :

1. Wraith Tanks' Stationery Mode : tired of getting these guys into proper range? get them behind trees near a base and deploy them. They attack while you ransack the base with your main force. The addition of supportive weapons against backdoor assault is useful as well.
2. Bowmen's Night Arrows : well, having Invisible Move for Bowmen felt useless (as it adds too much micro and unlike Noctis Knight and Elite Guard, they don't fit well)
3. New Upgrades : felt the economy goes very slowly? Fear no more.
4. Wizards got a new set of spells for your army. They should be more useful than before, hopefully.

 

[Cherrymage]

Also, any new screenshots? I can't wait for screenies...

Ehh, what if more than 1 player choose Night Empire? Would there be two or more MoonWatchs by then? I think it'll be better if you just give the heroes more names aside from RACC lore character names

 

[Daffa]

Also, any new screenshots? I can't wait for screenies...

Ehh, what if more than 1 player choose Night Empire? Would there be two or more MoonWatchs by then? I think it'll be better if you just give the heroes more names aside from RACC lore character names

Well, it will come with the release. Having a hard time with one of the new modifications for the race, so got delayed. Also, university's a mess.

For naming, I assigned at least 3-5 names per hero. A chance for doubled name do exist, though I doubt it to occur unless in a half to full house games. But I'll consider it.

 

[Daffa]

Updated. Hopefully addresses most if not all issues, especially the moderation issue.

 

[Michael the Boombringer]

I'm not gonna play a map with no towers (I am a pretty good defender and this looks more like an offensive style of playing).

 

[Daffa]

I'm not gonna play a map with no towers (I am a pretty good defender and this looks more like an offensive style of playing).

The race is designed to be aggressive and harassing to enemies. For defense early response, they actually use soldiers from the tower and Manor, as well as the Magic Shield upgrade. Buildings are mostly slightly stronger than other races as well. The race is powerful offensively thus I need to lower their defense to give them a balanced play.

 

[deepstrasz]

Why aren't the Night Arrows under the Bowman? There's a blank spot between that upgrade and the unit.
What about adding hero glow to heroes? One example: How to add Hero Glow without Modeling
Weird that the first two spells on that hero have [Q], [W] in their title as hotkey but the other two have the letters integrated in their names like normal Warcraft spells.
Grand Slam's [Q] is white after learning the spell.
Why should you be forced to build the Night Pillar to advance to the third tier?
General's Reinforcements is basically Quick Deploy. What about creating some special upgrades for these (or those summoned at the Manor) units?
Emperor's soundset=General's. Maybe the other Paladin hero has it too?
Wizard doesn't have a horse. Why use that soundset ?
There are two units with permanent invisible reveal: the Wizard and the Sky Guardian. Plus, the Scout Post and the Empire's Scope (purchasable item).
Why name the Barrack item Hall of Shadows when the actual building's name is Military Command?
Elite Guard's icon doesn't match the model's face.
Not really sure what the use of the Scout Post is with 0 Light Armour and 450 HP except for the fact that it reveals invisible units. Why not give it the ability to attack (like the Burrow?). There's no offensive tower in this game.

Awaiting Update.

 

[Daffa]

Why aren't the Night Arrows under the Bowman? There's a blank spot between that upgrade and the unit.
What about adding hero glow to heroes? One example: How to add Hero Glow without Modeling
Weird that the first two spells on that hero have [Q], [W] in their title as hotkey but the other two have the letters integrated in their names like normal Warcraft spells.
Grand Slam's [Q] is white after learning the spell.
Why should you be forced to build the Night Pillar to advance to the third tier?
General's Reinforcements is basically Quick Deploy. What about creating some special upgrades for these (or those summoned at the Manor) units?
Emperor's soundset=General's. Maybe the other Paladin hero has it too?
Wizard doesn't have a horse. Why use that soundset ?
There are two units with permanent invisible reveal: the Wizard and the Sky Guardian. Plus, the Scout Post and the Empire's Scope (purchasable item).
Why name the Barrack item Hall of Shadows when the actual building's name is Military Command?
Elite Guard's icon doesn't match the model's face.
Not really sure what the use of the Scout Post is with 0 Light Armour and 450 HP except for the fact that it reveals invisible units. Why not give it the ability to attack (like the Burrow?). There's no offensive tower in this game.

Awaiting Update.

I followed Human's style to put upgrades.
Will do Hero Glow.
Will fix that.
Will fix the hotkey.
Considering the speed to produce buildings, I considered Night Pillar needed to slow the progress slightly. It also held one useful unit, consider it as secondary barrack of some sort. Will consider.
Slightly different, the reinforcement are by far more dangerous in ways more than one. Will consider the unique upgrade.
Will check them out.
Will get that sorted out. I thought this race lacks truesight at first so I think I overdid it.
It's an old name, must've missed it during updates.
I will sort that out.
Will bolster it's health. Actually the main use is to hide troops inside (it's unseen during night) and the deployment ability. If offensive tower is wanted so badly, I guess I have to cut that disadvantage then.

 

[deepstrasz]

Will bolster it's health. Actually the main use is to hide troops inside (it's unseen during night) and the deployment ability. If offensive tower is wanted so badly, I guess I have to cut that disadvantage then.

Hey Daffa, you don't have to agree with me or anyone. If you have things sorted out in your head and want to keep them that way, you should, especially if it makes you happy and doesn't fool reason.
Now, I've absolutely missed said fact that the tower is invisible during the night.

Will get that sorted out. I thought this race lacks truesight at first so I think I overdid it.

You can have that on one unit, I guess, the rest should be some other type of spell for revealing, like the one in that item you can buy in some racial shops.

 

[Daffa]

Hey Daffa, you don't have to agree with me or anyone. If you have things sorted out in your head and want to keep them that way, you should, especially if it makes you happy and doesn't fool reason.
Now, I've absolutely missed said fact that the tower is invisible during the night.


You can have that on one unit, I guess, the rest should be some other type of spell for revealing, like the one in that item you can buy in some racial shops.

Hehe. I know, it's just that the tower felt so much useless with paper health
If it weren't pointed out, wouldn't cared much as I could ignore it, but why it's there at all then? thanks for reminding me.

Will take a look into it. I think the item could stay, like undead having item and shade for revealing, though I'll sort them first if they fit.

 

[Daffa]

I was going to change health of Scout Post but I guess they better have their armor changed, so yeah.

 

[deepstrasz]

Some changes made.

Set to Approved.

It all depends on the creator to further polish the work or not.

 

[Daffa]

An update will be due in short time. I just got hands of decent materials to get a more flesh out to differentiate Night Empire with human (looking at Loyalist and Footman here). Also, still trying to find best numbers with the artillery (Wraith Tanks).

For a plan of changelog, refer here (some might not be applied in the next update OR there might be new changes as I evaluate the Night Empire) :

Spoiler

Changed Magus Agreement mechanism slightly (unseen difference)
Changed Loyalist model to BETA Footman (by Blizzard Entertainment)
Increased Null Wave's cooldown by 30
Reduced Loyalist health by 50
Reduced Wraith Tank's damage side per die by 3
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TO DO :
Changed General's Divine Shield into Blade Blow : deals heavy damage and stun to a single target
Nerfed Assassin powers : gives them Detection, attacks now cause them to appear for a brief moment, health increase by 175
Reduced Scholar's Inner Fire armor bonus by 1
Nerfed Swordsman powers : no longer Spell Immune, lasts for 10 (Tower)/20 (Manor) seconds

ETA : August 2nd, 2017

 

[Daffa]

[August 2nd, 2017[1.6]]

Spoiler: Changelog

Changed Magus Agreement mechanism slightly (unseen difference)
Changed Loyalist model to BETA Footman (by Blizzard Entertainment)
Changed Assassin powers : attacks now cause them to appear for a brief moment, health increase by 200
Changed Quick Deploy Swordsman powers : no longer Spell Immune, lasts for 10 (Tower)/20 (Manor) seconds
Changed General's Divine Shield with Rejuvenating Light
Added Night Shield for Loyalist
Added Deflecting Shield for Elite Swordsman (Reinforcement)
Increased Null Wave's cooldown by 30
Increased Emperor's Call's mana cost by 25, Area of Effect by 50, life regeneration by 1, and cooldown by 30
Increased Grand Storm's Area of Effect by 50
Reduced Loyalist health by 50
Reduced Wraith Tank's damage side per die by 3, health by 150, secondary weapon (deployed) damage by 15 and armor by 2/4 (normal/deployed)
Reduced Scholar's Battle Spirit armor bonus by 1 and mana cost by 15
Reduced Moon Blade's cast range by 28
Fixed Battle Spirit Buff

EDIT :
Infiltrator's Capture will bug out defeat of an opponent if used on the last building they have. For now, avoid such conditions when using Infiltrators.
In the future update, I will change Infiltrator to give an intel advantage instead.

 

[Daffa]

Since Night Empire has been so reliant on their Scout Post AND I don't want people to abuse those lil posts, I have decided to make something interesting to improve the defense lines in absence of towers. The first one to be completely shown will be those cute lil useful farms. You can see the initial concept on 1.7 (there are changes in 1.8)

Also, I planned to change the models into a higher quality ones in the future (when 2.0 out) so yeah.

 

[Unregret]

Something you can change in the map:
- Instead of changing status and attributes of units, you can add custom spells (triggered) for each custom unit.
- The Main Hall does not have tier upgrades while they are required to process through most other things.
- Custom hero skills are overpower compared to classic races, 1 hero can easily outmatch 2 classic heroes, again need more work on custom heroes. You can consult from many other games such as theme, style.

=> Custom models are not the problem, you should focus on more contents of the map. If you want to create a new empire/race then avoid to make them look so much like Human or other existing races. You should spend more times to draw out a New Tech-tree for your race with specific steps. Once you have the tech-tree map, carefully create each new object based on that (buildings -> units -> spell triggers -> abilities -> buffs -> upgrades -> other triggers.... -> test/review -> update...)

 

[Daffa]

Something you can change in the map:
- Instead of changing status and attributes of units, you can add custom spells (triggered) for each custom unit.
- The Main Hall does not have tier upgrades while they are required to process through most other things.
- Custom hero skills are overpower compared to classic races, 1 hero can easily outmatch 2 classic heroes, again need more work on custom heroes. You can consult from many other games such as theme, style.

=> Custom models are not the problem, you should focus on more contents of the map. If you want to create a new empire/race then avoid to make them look so much like Human or other existing races. You should spend more times to draw out a New Tech-tree for your race with specific steps. Once you have the tech-tree map, carefully create each new object based on that (buildings -> units -> spell triggers -> abilities -> buffs -> upgrades -> other triggers.... -> test/review -> update...)

1. I'll take a look at this possibility. I did consider such things, but that would take quite the effort. I recall intend to have certain abilities get empowered during night-time and weaker during day-time as well, but this remains as concepts in mind.
2. This race utilize their buildings into a set. You can notice this by how higher tier buildings are unlocked as lower tier ones are completed.
3. I will rework them. It's pretty difficult to get the right balance of value for their skills and stats. More on the skill part though.

I will focus on the contents for now.

I truly appreciate the review and critics given

 

[Daffa]

Apparently, trying to rewrite this would cause a drastic balance change and stuff, so I guess scrap it

Anyway, 2.0 underway. Since the last major gift was music, this time let's have a refresh in interface

 

[Scias]

I've played only 2 games so far vs Computer Normals so I have no idea how to play this race yet, but here's some of my first thoughts:

-On the first game, I went with the Ambusher Hero, didn't like seeing her using same Warden model as the night elven hero which can also be built in the game, and her ultimate icon seems really off as I don't see a connection between a Vulcano and Sabotage ability that demolishes a building.
-I would suggest changing House hotkey from A to something it has in the name, these hotkeys make no sense for a standard player just getting into the map, I'm sure everyone's used to A for Altar.
-Having done little research before trying the map out I found out the race is good at expanding early on, so once I created the hero I built 3 Loyalist (starting units), summoned the 4 guards from the main bases ability and went straight for an expo.. Unfortunately the summoned guards only managed to get 1 hit in before getting unsummoned, and I was left with my small group to finish the job.. This didn't go too well, as I totally wasn't paying attention earlier that Ambusher has only 225 hit points on Lvl1, so she got killed really fast by bloodlusted Centaur Archers. This is when my first mission failed.
-This got me wondering, if you're playing against a player how would this hero deal with early harass? She does have two escape abilities and can hide, but did you take in account that Goblin Merchant shop is one of the most rewarding creep camps to do on this map, it's a really easy green creep camp that drops a Level 2 Permanent item such as Claws of Attack +6, Circlet of Norbility and Gloves of Haste. Imagine players going for this creep camp and picking off dust of appearance from the shop right away, what will she do now?
-While this race is good at harassing opponents (if it is), it also seems very weak at dealing with getting harassed. Compare militia, burrows, towers, ghouls, skeletons, nightelven buildings with attack and moonwells to 4 units summoned that last 20 seconds.. With the hero I choose and explained weakness of above, I don't see how you stand a chance.
-The techtree is really confusing, there is a lot to research. Seems like you need to build every building (including tower) and research random upgrades such as upgrade for spellcasters in order to get to Tier3. This is way different and at first very puzzling for someone dealing with the map for the first time, compared to the simplicity of the standard races techtrees.. It's very courageous to try and make this kind of advanced system if you wish to attract players that are used to the classic Warcraft 3 gameplay.
-The Tower, how can that big of a building become invisible! I think if you wanna make the tower turn invisible it should have some sort of magical look or something.. Current one is the largest model I've ever seen!
-I feel like the models, icons and abilities don't work together at all. For example the Emperor hero looks like Paladin (Arthas model) with abilities like Moon Blade (elven I guess), Emperor's Call (horde battlestandard icon), Emperor's Pressence an actual Paladin ability (Devotion Aura) and Null Wave with icon of a demons hand with purple effect around it with spell effect that prevents units from attacking (I'm not making any connection here). Same way there's 3 Human heroes and an Elf, and Infiltrator unit being high elf. I was expecting to see Bandits or something as Night Empire, perhaps knights with black armor (like Bandit Lord) not holy looking guys with a church for a building. Icons like House (Morale Support) and House (Willpower Support) also don't make sense since those are orcish, and another example is the Frost icon of Magician's aura giving movement speed.
-Here's an unit model I would suggest you to use for this kind of concept Assassin as an ambush unit you could give him windwalk and make it so it so he does small amount of bonus damage after revealing himself, could play around with him attacking fast but doing little damage, maybe poison arrows as a research.. I also think some part of the "ambushy invisibility" tactics can be borrowed from the original concept with Sorceresses being able to cast invisibility onto units.
-Also here's a cool model for the Ambusher hero Dreamhuntress(Bloodbr)

Sorry if I'm being too harsh on you.. My opinion on some things might change with more experience I have with the map, and to balance this out I'll give you some positive comments:

-It was really fun hitting high level with Ambusher and getting some lucky crits, I also had great items as I was creeping quickly and abused the Goblin Merchant shops.
-The new orb is a brilliant idea, loving how strong it is and how much it helped me as I was feeling like the race was a little weak up until I got that awesome orb, especially loving the effect it casts when hitting stuff - it looks great.
-The Infiltrator is also a great idea, it's a shame I didn't get to use him properly since computers are really defensive and very aware. But looks like there's a lot of fun to be had with that guy.
-The second go of playing the map was quite fun, I power spiked and was able to make a big impact in team fights, I had a lot of fun barely surviving with the Ambusher using invulnerability potions and healing scrolls grabbed from shops where I forced team fights. I was really testing my luck attacking a creep fiend with Ambusher on 40 hp hoping for the bash procs and crit procs, and Idk if you edited that about AI or I was really lucky but the computer never nuked her so I got away with murder.

Hope you like this feedback, and hope I wasn't too harsh on you.

 

[Daffa]

I've played only 2 games so far vs Computer Normals so I have no idea how to play this race yet, but here's some of my first thoughts:

1. On the first game, I went with the Ambusher Hero, didn't like seeing her using same Warden model as the night elven hero which can also be built in the game, and her ultimate icon seems really off as I don't see a connection between a Vulcano and Sabotage ability that demolishes a building.
2. I would suggest changing House hotkey from A to something it has in the name, these hotkeys make no sense for a standard player just getting into the map, I'm sure everyone's used to A for Altar.
3. Having done little research before trying the map out I found out the race is good at expanding early on, so once I created the hero I built 3 Loyalist (starting units), summoned the 4 guards from the main bases ability and went straight for an expo.. Unfortunately the summoned guards only managed to get 1 hit in before getting unsummoned, and I was left with my small group to finish the job.. This didn't go too well, as I totally wasn't paying attention earlier that Ambusher has only 225 hit points on Lvl1, so she got killed really fast by bloodlusted Centaur Archers. This is when my first mission failed.
4. This got me wondering, if you're playing against a player how would this hero deal with early harass? She does have two escape abilities and can hide, but did you take in account that Goblin Merchant shop is one of the most rewarding creep camps to do on this map, it's a really easy green creep camp that drops a Level 2 Permanent item such as Claws of Attack +6, Circlet of Norbility and Gloves of Haste. Imagine players going for this creep camp and picking off dust of appearance from the shop right away, what will she do now?
5. While this race is good at harassing opponents (if it is), it also seems very weak at dealing with getting harassed. Compare militia, burrows, towers, ghouls, skeletons, nightelven buildings with attack and moonwells to 4 units summoned that last 20 seconds.. With the hero I choose and explained weakness of above, I don't see how you stand a chance.
6. The techtree is really confusing, there is a lot to research. Seems like you need to build every building (including tower) and research random upgrades such as upgrade for spellcasters in order to get to Tier3. This is way different and at first very puzzling for someone dealing with the map for the first time, compared to the simplicity of the standard races techtrees.. It's very courageous to try and make this kind of advanced system if you wish to attract players that are used to the classic Warcraft 3 gameplay.
7. The Tower, how can that big of a building become invisible! I think if you wanna make the tower turn invisible it should have some sort of magical look or something.. Current one is the largest model I've ever seen!
8. I feel like the models, icons and abilities don't work together at all. For example the Emperor hero looks like Paladin (Arthas model) with abilities like Moon Blade (elven I guess), Emperor's Call (horde battlestandard icon), Emperor's Pressence an actual Paladin ability (Devotion Aura) and Null Wave with icon of a demons hand with purple effect around it with spell effect that prevents units from attacking (I'm not making any connection here). Same way there's 3 Human heroes and an Elf, and Infiltrator unit being high elf. I was expecting to see Bandits or something as Night Empire, perhaps knights with black armor (like Bandit Lord) not holy looking guys with a church for a building. Icons like House (Morale Support) and House (Willpower Support) also don't make sense since those are orcish, and another example is the Frost icon of Magician's aura giving movement speed.
9. Here's an unit model I would suggest you to use for this kind of concept Assassin as an ambush unit you could give him windwalk and make it so it so he does small amount of bonus damage after revealing himself, could play around with him attacking fast but doing little damage, maybe poison arrows as a research.. I also think some part of the "ambushy invisibility" tactics can be borrowed from the original concept with Sorceresses being able to cast invisibility onto units.
10. Also here's a cool model for the Ambusher hero Dreamhuntress(Bloodbr)

Sorry if I'm being too harsh on you.. My opinion on some things might change with more experience I have with the map, and to balance this out I'll give you some positive comments:

11. It was really fun hitting high level with Ambusher and getting some lucky crits, I also had great items as I was creeping quickly and abused the Goblin Merchant shops.
12. The new orb is a brilliant idea, loving how strong it is and how much it helped me as I was feeling like the race was a little weak up until I got that awesome orb, especially loving the effect it casts when hitting stuff - it looks great.
13. The Infiltrator is also a great idea, it's a shame I didn't get to use him properly since computers are really defensive and very aware. But looks like there's a lot of fun to be had with that guy.
14. The second go of playing the map was quite fun, I power spiked and was able to make a big impact in team fights, I had a lot of fun barely surviving with the Ambusher using invulnerability potions and healing scrolls grabbed from shops where I forced team fights. I was really testing my luck attacking a creep fiend with Ambusher on 40 hp hoping for the bash procs and crit procs, and Idk if you edited that about AI or I was really lucky but the computer never nuked her so I got away with murder.

Hope you like this feedback, and hope I wasn't too harsh on you.

Thanks a lot, just use numbering next time, I tend to miss which point I comment

1. Ambusher hero do need new model, just having a hard time picking the right one for her. That's why I stay with Maiev. Will fix sabotage icon.
2. It's using the QWER ASDF ZXCV build, I will check other Altered Melee maps for comparison on this matter.
3. In a very early version, the Guards last 90 seconds. It was too long so I try to cut it short to 20 seconds so it won't hit Expo and abused by players.
4. Ambusher is more for the second hero than first hero. It's better to start with Emperor or Magician as first hero. She's viable in team games however, as first hero. You can abuse her hide at night and get a Vitality item first, as that boost her health in tremendous amount (higher effect in comparison to other heroes)
5. I will deal with this part accordingly. Since AI never rushed, I never experienced first hand how bad it stands against rushes. Emperor (recommended) and General (not really, but his second spell do make a lot of difference) is good option against rushes though.
6. Actually, Tier 3 is not that complicated, though it's right for building every building part. It's Tier 1 -> Tier 2 -> Tier 3 -> Magic Allies (University). I know the race is quite complicated but it's what I want for tier building, perhaps I need to make it more obvious?
7. I will reduce the tower size for now. They are made with invisible stone, at least to put it's concept
8. Moon Blade is human actually, based on storm bolt, just the weapon name taken from the one the character use in a RP [RACC] (Moonwatch's Moon Blade), the second one is quite troublematic for icon and I need to search deep to get replacement, same case for Null Wave. I guess third ability is good eh?
9 and 10. I thank you for the model links and the concept given. Assassin however, was meant to be slow, as it was a way to "actually harass" because people don't see them coming until they get a load of damage from one shots.

EDIT :
11. Well, you get the idea of Ambusher build now, don't you?
12. Put it on Ambusher and you got yourself a nice hero and elite unit killer
13. Computer's a bitch with defenses. I will have an upgrade for that unit (using existing ones to avoid complications)
14. Well, that sure is lucky. I never modified the default 4 races' AI at all

 

[Scias]

Thanks a lot, just use numbering next time, I tend to miss which point I comment

1. Ambusher hero do need new model, just having a hard time picking the right one for her. That's why I stay with Maiev. Will fix sabotage icon.
2. It's using the QWER ASDF ZXCV build, I will check other Altered Melee maps for comparison on this matter.
3. In a very early version, the Guards last 90 seconds. It was too long so I try to cut it short to 20 seconds so it won't hit Expo and abused by players.
4. Ambusher is more for the second hero than first hero. It's better to start with Emperor or Magician as first hero. She's viable in team games however, as first hero. You can abuse her hide at night and get a Vitality item first, as that boost her health in tremendous amount (higher effect in comparison to other heroes)
5. I will deal with this part accordingly. Since AI never rushed, I never experienced first hand how bad it stands against rushes. Emperor (recommended) and General (not really, but his second spell do make a lot of difference) is good option against rushes though.
6. Actually, Tier 3 is not that complicated, though it's right for building every building part. It's Tier 1 -> Tier 2 -> Tier 3 -> Magic Allies (University). I know the race is quite complicated but it's what I want for tier building, perhaps I need to make it more obvious?
7. I will reduce the tower size for now. They are made with invisible stone, at least to put it's concept
8. Moon Blade is human actually, based on storm bolt, just the weapon name taken from the one the character use in a RP [RACC] (Moonwatch's Moon Blade), the second one is quite troublematic for icon and I need to search deep to get replacement, same case for Null Wave. I guess third ability is good eh?
9 and 10. I thank you for the model links and the concept given. Assassin however, was meant to be slow, as it was a way to "actually harass" because people don't see them coming until they get a load of damage from one shots.

EDIT :
11. Well, you get the idea of Ambusher build now, don't you?
12. Put it on Ambusher and you got yourself a nice hero and elite unit killer
13. Computer's a bitch with defenses. I will have an upgrade for that unit (using existing ones to avoid complications)
14. Well, that sure is lucky. I never modified the default 4 races' AI at all

1. I see, it must be a issue having to find the new icons also since 2 of the icons are made for Warden.
2. I'm not used to this hotkey build, I don't really see a point of hotkey system change since a Warcraft 3 classic player is used to hotkeys being given based on names of the buildings. And this can complicate things right off the start, pressing A to create Altar since that's the hotkey for it on every race etc. It isn't that big of a issue since it is easy to adapt to but I think the change might be repulsive for the players who are used to classic game.
3. I think 90 seconds was definitely too long and 20 seconds feels too short. Perhaps 25-30 seconds would be nicer, though this would make expanding significantly easier, but hey Humans can also pull militia and Nightelves can AoW creep it so it is easy for other races as well.
4. Hm now that you mention it.. buying Periapts of Vitality could make her really op, claws and gloves of haste aren't that great on her since she already has the damage with her passive.. If she stacked full inventory of Periapts of Vitality however, her damage would still be there but sounds like she'd be unstoppable with the 2 escapes.
5. Not sure what makes Emperor good against early harass, his abilities are really mana expensive. Emperor's Call being a 15sec buff that costs 150 mana and Moon Blade being melee version of stormbolt which does less damage and costs 50 mana more (nearly double the amount), 1 second stun increase is not that big of a deal when you take the punishment this ability has compared to Stormbolt.
6. It was complicated enough having to research a upgrade made for units and having to create tower in order to progress! I don't think I could find anything that tells me what am I required to do to get tier upgrades.
8. Yeah but I mean the name Moon Blade sounds like night elves stuff, I know it's hard not to make the connections since the race is called Night Empire. Perhaps Dark Blade or Night Blade since Moon is such a Night Elf thing, in relevance to where you got the weapon name idea you could make it "Moonwatch Blade" or "Nightwatch Blade". Well the devotion aura hand is purple so I see a connection there, but if you're replacing the model and not keeping the paladin guy I think you could use some purple shield or something for this icon, if you can't find anything custom Resistent Skin icon from nightelves makes sense for this. For Emperor's call maybe try to figure a way to get a "Night Empire" war standard, or maybe even BTNINV_Crown_02 would be suited. Null Wave I think needs some digging to find a proper icon for. I would suggest making a icon concepts page in paint or something, just putting the icons next to each other to see how they look together and how they represent what they do.
9. I didn't mean replacing the Assasin unit, the link was changed to Assasin because that's the name of the resource hehe. I was just suggesting to implement this type of unit somehow, the model itself could work as replacement for the archer who currently is just footman with a bow, but in that case I think the windwalk ability I suggested is off the table (too strong for such a early on unit). If you use the other model I linked for Ambusher you could probably get away with using Possession icon for Night Walk, though there should be more suited custom icons out there.

11. With the periapts of viatality idea I think I do even more so!
13. I'd suggest using human villager model for the Infiltrator. I think the villager model in grey would be suited since everyone's used to the villager from campaign being harmless, so it kinda suits the concept.

 

[Daffa]

1. I see, it must be a issue having to find the new icons also since 2 of the icons are made for Warden.
2. I'm not used to this hotkey build, I don't really see a point of hotkey system change since a Warcraft 3 classic player is used to hotkeys being given based on names of the buildings. And this can complicate things right off the start, pressing A to create Altar since that's the hotkey for it on every race etc. It isn't that big of a issue since it is easy to adapt to but I think the change might be repulsive for the players who are used to classic game.
3. I think 90 seconds was definitely too long and 20 seconds feels too short. Perhaps 25-30 seconds would be nicer, though this would make expanding significantly easier, but hey Humans can also pull militia and Nightelves can AoW creep it so it is easy for other races as well.
4. Hm now that you mention it.. buying Periapts of Vitality could make her really op, claws and gloves of haste aren't that great on her since she already has the damage with her passive.. If she stacked full inventory of Periapts of Vitality however, her damage would still be there but sounds like she'd be unstoppable with the 2 escapes.
5. Not sure what makes Emperor good against early harass, his abilities are really mana expensive. Emperor's Call being a 15sec buff that costs 150 mana and Moon Blade being melee version of stormbolt which does less damage and costs 50 mana more (nearly double the amount), 1 second stun increase is not that big of a deal when you take the punishment this ability has compared to Stormbolt.
6. It was complicated enough having to research a upgrade made for units and having to create tower in order to progress! I don't think I could find anything that tells me what am I required to do to get tier upgrades.
8. Yeah but I mean the name Moon Blade sounds like night elves stuff, I know it's hard not to make the connections since the race is called Night Empire. Perhaps Dark Blade or Night Blade since Moon is such a Night Elf thing, in relevance to where you got the weapon name idea you could make it "Moonwatch Blade" or "Nightwatch Blade". Well the devotion aura hand is purple so I see a connection there, but if you're replacing the model and not keeping the paladin guy I think you could use some purple shield or something for this icon, if you can't find anything custom Resistent Skin icon from nightelves makes sense for this. For Emperor's call maybe try to figure a way to get a "Night Empire" war standard, or maybe even BTNINV_Crown_02 would be suited. Null Wave I think needs some digging to find a proper icon for. I would suggest making a icon concepts page in paint or something, just putting the icons next to each other to see how they look together and how they represent what they do.
9. I didn't mean replacing the Assasin unit, the link was changed to Assasin because that's the name of the resource hehe. I was just suggesting to implement this type of unit somehow, the model itself could work as replacement for the archer who currently is just footman with a bow, but in that case I think the windwalk ability I suggested is off the table (too strong for such a early on unit). If you use the other model I linked for Ambusher you could probably get away with using Possession icon for Night Walk, though there should be more suited custom icons out there.

11. With the periapts of viatality idea I think I do even more so!
13. I'd suggest using human villager model for the Infiltrator. I think the villager model in grey would be suited since everyone's used to the villager from campaign being harmless, so it kinda suits the concept.

1. Should be double somehow, I'll try
2. I see. Kind of experience related, and I have to agree there. I will however, do some research on other alterations.
3. Alright then, seems fair with Human's Militia.
4. Gloves have quite an effect, claws are near useless due to her ability structure. Will think about her escape methods.
5. Must've get over nerfed that I get those ridiculous numbers. Will check it out.
6. It's actually in the tooltip : "Part of Tier x Set", the only exception is Magic Allies upgrade being an upgrade to gain access to one of the most OP in-game unit, as well as ultimate unit (Sky Guardian)
8. Would like to, but I have it documented here as Moon Blade's Potent. I scrapped Potent since it's illogical in the name. I thank you for the recommendations.
9. And I thought you were referring to Assassin unit

11. Glad to hear that. I think I raise her HP slightly and lower her damage slightly later, just to make claws viable option for her.
13. Thanks for the suggestion!

 

[master Gul'dan]

Honestly, your work is good, but to make a race you do not have to change too much.

 

[Daffa]

Honestly, your work is good, but to make a race you do not have to change too much.

I want to capture the unique feel for Night Empire, to give the impression they are different than others. Thanks for the rate and the praise