Collateral Damage v1.3

[wc3gobbo]

This looks VERY good.

 

[Nemesis_]

Well I played through half of it and when I was using mortar teams to reveal the map, there was a nameless item at the extreme bottom left of the map. Curious, I used the kelen's dagger to get it and used it and afterwards the game crashed. Not sure whether it was an bugged easter egg or something...

Other than that, it seems pretty cool, but some quests needs to be fixed. (eg. the gnoll quest at the start)

 

[raminnio]

great job thanks

 

[Rinaldo Man]

If you find bugs write comment with description!

 

[deepstrasz]

I'm curious. Why did you credit me, what for?
Some names in the list might not be properly written like -Kabos- instead of Kobas.

Spoiler: rev

1. Well, usual Paladin spells?
2. I can't get to the Minor Replenishment Potion from the barrel between the trees. The Ranger has no inventory. Am I supposed to cut the trees with Peasants or break them with siege units?
3. Trash has a passive ability icon; you can use this to turn it into an active looking icon: Button Manager v1.8.2
4. Leather armour does not mention the value it gives when carried.
5. Would be nice to have different icons for units.
6. I did not yet have the quest with the gnolls but finished it
7. Quests with requirements and location pings or descriptions should be created in the Quest Log when you receive them from people or events.
8. Richard's spells need proper descriptions, with values, levels, what they and so on. His first spell is active but has a passive ability icon.
9. Rich has no her glow. You could add one: How to add Hero Glow without Modeling
10. The Bandits near Mike are hidden at night when they speak.
11. The Captain has a War Drums looking ability with tooltip missing/improper description. Also, it is a passive ability with an active icon.
12. Backpack cannot be researched as there is no Arcane Valut.
13. Rich's Reinforcement has only one level. Should it be the ultimate? But you can learn it at level 2 when you meet him.
14. Rich gave me the quest to free the prisoners but I've done that before meeting him.
15. Got messages about Heavy Archers, Crossbowmen and Cavalier but don't know why. Did not receive any.
16. Not sure if creatures should be sleeping in the middle of the road.
17. Rich's spells can be learnt without the 1 level skip. Usually you cannot learn/upgrade the same spell the next time you level up after you've just learned it. It takes two level ups to learn it again.
18. The Range or what it's called also has the hotkey T like the Scout Tower.
19. Lesser Replenishment Potion in the Marketplace to the northeast has 0 in stock.
20. What's the difference between Sword and Blades of Attack +3?
21. Many items do not have the right description when carried. The values in text are seen when the item is on the ground. Or the difference between Wooden Shield and Leather Armour? They both give the same thing.
22. Range can be placed on other units and doodads and has the icon of the Guard Tower. Stables has the same icon as the Barracks.
23. The undead only attacked once.
24. Rich's Reinforcement creates two permanent Guardsmen. Is it intended?
25. Rich's Master of the Sword takes no mana and has no cooldown.
26. Are you sure Pikemen should not have piercing attack?
27. Mithril Sword's on ground description is "7."
28. There's no definite difference between Crossbowmen and Archers. I guess Archers should shoot from a longer distance while Crossbowmen faster or something.
29. Why did the Stone Golems to the northeast where lizards are became mine?
30. Noble Knight has mana but no active spells...
31. You need to properly place units and upgrades in their buildings. It looks chaotic.
32. Destroyed the orc base before doing the undead quest (they were not rebuilding/repairing/retraining). I'm gonna do everything I can before that.
33. Reached level 10 in the orc base. Now what? I still have more than half the map to go.
34. There's no story. There's just: "Hi, how're you doing? Let's kill something." OK!".
35. The Flaming Legion has two Haunted Mines with 0 gold
36. Cleric Warrior has no mana but active spells...
37. Units toggle quests which may move the camera out of battle.
38. Item plethora isn't that diverse.
39. Enemy units should be progressively stronger as you get farther on the map. Heroes should also become stronger to equate this progression.
40. Two heroes are kind of few for such a huge map. What about an intelligence one too?
41. Not all of the units in the northeastern human base attacked by undead become yours. You can train heroes at the altar.
42. Cleric Warriors cannot be trained because the Arcane Vault cannot be built (is absent).
43. The good thing about reaching that place and then the circle of power was that the level finished without needing to finish the first undead quest and whatever there was, like 1/4 of the map left.

It's a nice idea however mostly you kill units on the map awaiting for you and there's even one two bases to help you retrain lost troops. The danger element is lost because the enemy does not attack you even if they have bases. It gets tiring and monotonous because the map is huge and heroes are only two and reach their max level quite soon without any more to add to them except items you find which are pretty repetitive.
There are issues with triggers. Quests don't follow a rule/order in which they are completed or discovered. You could theoretically finish the map if you get to the circle of power.
Heroes would definitely need more interesting spells. They're basically Warcraft ones. Units are too many and copies of each other. They need proper differentiation.
I suggest you make this story driven with dialogues between people that aren't just one-two liners. On top of that you could have some cinematic scenes.

You could add more credits using this: Resources in Use by Collateral Damage | HIVE

Above that, the map is functional and I've not found a game crashing or impeding bug.

Approved.

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[Rinaldo Man]

Understood deepstrasz

 

[deepstrasz]

Although putting in the credits list the View in Use Resources might be a smart move, it is a bit impolite and inaccurate. Some of those resources you might have not used and some of those in your map might not appear in that list.

You did not answer my first question.

 

[Rinaldo Man]

I don't remember why i added you I have just checking creators of models. But I did not find all of them. That's why I placed link to list. I hope they are not so angry if I did not wrote them.

 

[deepstrasz]

I hope they are not so angry if I did not wrote them.

Well, write those you have otherwise everybody will just link the View in Resources in their credits list from now on and we really don't want that.

 

[Rinaldo Man]

Well, write those you have otherwise everybody will just link the View in Resources in their credits list from now on and we really don't want that.

So, what exactly should I do?

 

[deepstrasz]

So, what exactly should I do?

Write a list of the resource names and authors (with links if possible). Example:

models

Hand Gunner by Mechanical Man

 

[FlameofChange]

I follow all the feedback of @deepstrasz, but i'll add something : Peasants waste gold from the mine because they bring it to the lb player. When you reach the first base the goldmine have a lower gold in it. I'm suggesting that you activate the gather once the player reach the village :>

 

[Rinaldo Man]

I follow all the feedback of @deepstrasz, but i'll add something : Peasants waste gold from the mine because they bring it to the lb player. When you reach the first base the goldmine have a lower gold in it. I'm suggesting that you activate the gather once the player reach the village :>

I am working. Soon will be new version.

 

[Rinaldo Man]

New version uploaded! The changes are not too big. But soon there will be more.

 

[deepstrasz]

The changes are not too big.

Please add a list of credits. View in Resources is just there to help you.

 

[Rinaldo Man]

Please add a list of credits. View in Resources is just there to help you.

I did it.

 

[dragonZul]

Are you going to do a second part?

 

[Rinaldo Man]

Are you going to do a second part?

You are interested in it? If people want I can make it.

 

[dragonZul]

You are interested in it? If people want I can make it.

I would like you to do a continuation but it will only do with humans and something else you could put in the second part that the enemies create units because in the first part they do not create units.

postdate: I'm using translator xd

 

[Rinaldo Man]

New version 1.2 uploaded! Write things that I should fix next time. Except you deepstrasz

 

[subzz]

I didn't understand few things.

I played up to first dark elves mission. Few things were missing.

1. Can't build any alter.

2. No goldmine.

3. Can't access to advanced unit. Where is "nobile knight" research upgrade ?

4. Cleric warrior don't have mana pool so abilities are unavailable.

Am I missing something?

 

[Rinaldo Man]

I didn't understand few things.

I played up to first dark elves mission. Few things were missing.

1. Can't build any alter.

2. No goldmine.

3. Can't access to advanced unit. Where is "nobile knight" research upgrade ?

4. Cleric warrior don't have mana pool so abilities are unavailable.

Am I missing something?

1. Yes you can't build altar. It's a part of game. You heroes must survive.
2. Fixed it. Uploaded new version now.
3. You need to build academy. I forgot to add it for workers.
4. Fixed it. Download new version.

 

[subzz]

Few more issues.

1. food consumption doesn't add up with number of troupes I have. I had two tanks, three heroes, one or two crossbow man, one cleric , one wood cutter machine and 6-7 peons and food count showed 50-51.

2. mercenary mysterious order warriors don't have their mana pool ( same issues as cleric warriors which one is now fixed though).

I will let you know if I come across some more. Right now I am taking a stroll in forest and killing orges after beating living shit out of dark trolls ( and orcs are next in line).

There are few things I would love to suggest.

1. foot knights and guardsmen are basically same units with different model. You can either remove one of them or better you can make slight changes( I would suggest increase hit points and damage of foot knights and add critical strike to guardsmen ).

2. Veteran cavalry and regular cavalry ( not knights) are basically same units so expensive research for an 50 more hit point unit is pointless( when I already have excellent knights/noble knights at my disposal).

I haven't use casters/ caster-warriors so you can expect more suggestions soon.

P.S: What the hell are stromwind (blue) guys doing in the map? I took my heores to them yet that turned their back and chose not to utter a single word like a certified A- hole

 

[Rinaldo Man]

Few more issues.

1. food consumption doesn't add up with number of troupes I have. I had two tanks, three heroes, one or two crossbow man, one cleric , one wood cutter machine and 6-7 peons and food count showed 50-51.

2. mercenary mysterious order warriors don't have their mana pool ( same issues as cleric warriors which one is now fixed though).

I will let you know if I come across some more. Right now I am taking a stroll in forest and killing orges after beating living shit out of dark trolls ( and orcs are next in line).

There are few things I would love to suggest.

1. foot knights and guardsmen are basically same units with different model. You can either remove one of them or better you can make slight changes( I would suggest increase hit points and damage of foot knights and add critical strike to guardsmen ).

2. Veteran cavalry and regular cavalry ( not knights) are basically same units so expensive research for an 50 more hit point unit is pointless( when I already have excellent knights/noble knights at my disposal).

I haven't use casters/ caster-warriors so you can expect more suggestions soon.

P.S: What the hell are stromwind (blue) guys doing in the map? I took my heores to them yet that turned their back and chose not to utter a single word like a certified A- hole

1. I do not understand what you mean. You have small army and equivalent amount of food for it. What's wrong?
2. Fixed
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1. Added critical strike to guardsmen and bash to foot knight. Also for foot knight changed hp count and type of armor (now it's hero).
2. All veterans now have critical strike. For cavalry increased attack and hit points. Also changed cost for cavalry.
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Blue guys have mission to deliver the parcel to the commander where you were. This mission gives footman Bill in autumn forest in camp between gnoll and ogre camp and tavern near Iron Gate. I also will add hint if player found Pilas earlier than Bill.

 

[dragonZul]

New version 1.2 uploaded! Write things that I should fix next time. Except you deepstrasz

then if I download it again the map will be with the new update

i´m sorry use traductor xd

 

[Rinaldo Man]

then if I download it again the map will be with the new update

i´m sorry use traductor xd

If you click on button now you will download map with 1.2 version (ENGCOLDAM1.2 - name).

 

[thrashmaniacs999]

waiting for the second part?

 

[Rinaldo Man]

waiting for the second part?

Wait few months. I am thinking about to release beta if it necessary.

 

[Againstallodds]

I like the idea of the game but it think this is really rough. The terrain is not enjoyable at all.
Trees and rocks and trash and whatever. And some weird staff going on, i was protecting the base
right out side near the river but still undead units appeared to the gates, repeatedly. What the hell?
There was literaly no way to go past me but still...
Hard to navigate or micro in this environment and especially when i reached the elven base that was the worst.
I understand the thought behind it, a base should be placed in a spot that is well protected etc...
I just dont enjoy the gaming aspect so thats that. I am sorry. It's probably a matter of taste rather than
anything else.
So i just stopped playing the game. Not my cup of tea.
No rating as i didnt commit to the game

 

[SaysayTheGreat]

No altar?