Beyond the Throne: Tides of Darkness

[Kam]

Yes, I am sure. I was having the same problem until I updated my video drivers and removed a bad stick of ram. Since then I've had no problems and played several lan games with my friends who also had no issues.

 

[supertoinkz]

can you give me the Hatchery-Lair-Hive models?

 

[Kam]

Sure.

 

[Kam]

Map is updated and has addressed many issues.

 

[Jurassic Park]

I cannot play the latest ver.Is it compatible with 1.21?I did have a few older ver playable.

 

[Kam]

It's fine with the latest version - which is 1.24.

 

[Jurassic Park]

Is that means it only compatable with ver 1.24?

 

[Kam]

Yes, you must always have the version a map was made for to run it correctly.

 

[Jurassic Park]

My warcraft 3 can't update to the latest ver.

 

[supertoinkz]

then you have a pirated war3

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

then you have a pirated war3

, could be, but don't have to be it. Jurassic Park, when the new patch was released, I also couldn't update my wcr3, but than I reinstalled warcraft 3 and it worked again.

 

[Jurassic Park]

My war3 installed a few year ago and now i lose the disc,I guess i can only play map compatible with 1.21 ver,too bad.

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

My war3 installed a few year ago and now i lose the disc,I guess i can only play map compatible with 1.21 ver,too bad.

, maybe contact blizzard or rent/borrow a wc3 cd.

 

[Kam]

Not to be bunt here, but any feedback?

 

[Trilby]

@Jurassic Park: Use a program called Patch Switcher. Google it.
@Kam: Whenever I play the game, at some random point, the game may crash. It may be my computer, but do you have any suggestions?

 

[Kam]

http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=20656

Most likely you have bad ram or out of date drivers. The fatal error bug has become more prevalent since the last patch.

Also I find that alt tabbing on any map usually results in a crash later on.

 

[VeljkoM]

Well let see seed now have strong units such as: Hulsk, Stalker, Widow, Nydus, Menace and Mariner. And when I say strong I mean it. They all have at least over 1500 hp wile orcs and humans don't usually cross 1000hp.
Wile weak units are : Beast, Hunter, Defiler, Dragoon, Seeker and Spinner.

So doesn't that kinda ruins idea of "week race that uses big numbers with few strong units"? Why not just mass stalkers who are 288 wood each and available very early and attack orcs and humans before they make strong units.

And all of those seed models and custom abilities are lagging my comp which usually results in crashing. I guess I just can't handle this map anymore.

 

[Kam]

The idea is to have two tiers of units: one that you'll have very few of and one that you'll mass - sort of a play on heroes.

As far as the computer settings I can't help you there other than suggesting turning your video options down in the game settings menu, the spell detail option has a particularly noticeable effect.

 

[Jurassic Park]

I finally find a way to update to 1.24.Great work on the seed race,but is there a hero in the seed at next update?

 

[Kam]

I was really leaning against hero units for Seed because they are a collective race, or rather there is no all important unit.

The idea was to compensate for this by providing the upper tier of units that are incredibly powerful but have specific vulnerabilities.

Everyone I get feedback from though wants a hero unit, so perhaps. It certainly won't have an inventory though and will need to serve some other purpose.

 

[Jurassic Park]

Perhaps you can create a custom campaign for this map.

Did the beast regenerate hp when burrowed?Also,when i stop the creep from burrow,a fatal error appear.

 

[Kam]

What do you mean stop the creep from burrow?

 

[Jurassic Park]

I mean when the creep rises up onto ground,the game crash.Also,when don't try use the scavenger dragon model in this site for the dragon.

 

[Kam]

I'm still confused as to what you mean, there are no creeps with burrow.

Do you mean when you fight an AI and stun a beast or hunter the game crashes? I just played a game and everything seemed fine for me.

 

[Jurassic Park]

Isn't the beast and hunter got the burrow ability?

 

[Kam]

Yes, it's just unclear what your saying. I've played 17 games since this was released and haven't had any problems.

 

[Jurassic Park]

Maybe it's just an error encountered randomly...

 

[Kam]

Very large update that significantly balances Seed and adds new spells to orcs and humans that are designed to deal with the Seed.

 

[Kam]

Update including some fixes for the last patch.

Eye of Killrogg can no longer be targeted by ground units and selection circle shows on water
Hearty Web is now 75% transparent and actually increases healing percentage at level 2
Broodlines description now correctly shows 20x range
Stalker model size decreased
Seed AI now now longer shoots itself in the foot overusing burrow
Nasty bug with progenerate fixed
AI heroes now level correclty
Suggested player field updated
Pulverize, Command Aura, Spell Feedback now shows levels in tooltip
How the AI is created, named, and deals with hero revival made more efficient
added Altars back to Orcs and Humans
Altar of Storms (ogre upgrade structure) renamed to Altar of Blood
Fixed Ogre upgrades button positions
Replaced Far Sight with Track
remade AI
increased Hunter hp by 200

 

[Linaze]

I just thought I'd tease you with the fact that I have a human transport model.

 

[Kam]

=O

This is most cruel.

Can I see a picture?

 

[Linaze]

Looks better in-game.

 

[Kam]

Sexy, although I would use the TFT steam tank textures.

 

[Linaze]

I don't know what 'yer smoking, but it isn't really that yellow.
http://www.wowwiki.com/File:WC2HumanTransport.gif

 

[Kam]

Haha I guess. I think it's just that the gray texture you used for the ram is too smooth, it should be sort of rough metal.

EDIT: maybe just curve it more (the front)?

 

[Linaze]

Well, I didn't do it, Pyramidhe@d did, and I find it good enough.
Like I said, the screen doesn't do it justice.

 

[Kam]

Oh well is it available to download? I'd like to test it out.

 

[Linaze]

I'm afraid not.
Pyramidhe@d made it exclusively for my warcraft-2 project, that's why I said it was a tease. ^^

 

[supertoinkz]

i like it :>
i see many people maek wc2 maps eh (lyk me)

oh well need to charm pyra again >

 

[Kam]

I see.

It's not like I've been asking for that model to be made for 4 years or anything.

On a side note does anyone have the .mpq for http://www.wc3c.net/showthread.php?t=94255 The campaign file contains a few very nice custom models.

 

[Linaze]

Although I wouldn't suggest extracting them without permission.

 

[supertoinkz]

hmm i might give it to u, later

also, that mpq contains a larger amount of textures than models

models are:
Danath
Ogre
Troll
Oil Patch
Death Knight
Sucking Mage
Guldan

 

[Kam]

Also I didn't see your message about the Roost; I don't actually remember where I got it now, I believe it was from the WC2 second gen project quite awhile ago. Let me see if I can find an author.

 

[Kam]

So I have a bit of a question for those that have played the Seed. Do you think they are worth the space?

I have recently been toying with the idea of removing them and opting to broaden the techtrees of orcs and humans.

This is mostly brought on by the 2000 kbs of space the Seed currently take, the extreme trouble I'm having with Seed AI due to unknown Blizzard bugs/restrictions (woo), and the general failure of them to meet the expectations I had for such a different race.

Any feedback is welcome.

Also this is the new terrain you'll be playing on, terrained by me using a custom tileset M0rbid made for me.

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/terrain-board-267/post-worldtree-melee-map-157153/

 

[Linaze]

I'd much more prefer it if this "Seed" race was removed, seeing how I never even bothered to play this map after they were added.

 

[davisSS3david]

I'd much more prefer it if this "Seed" race was removed, seeing how I never even bothered to play this map after they were added.

Yeah, same here.

 

[Kam]

If you might play them, are there any aspects (ideas, spells, concepts) that you would like to see carried over?

 

[Linaze]

I always saw this map as a combination of wc3 and wc2, and not... Seed.

 

[Snarewave]

Can I join the Second War fanatics club? Check out my project BoG. (signature)

 

[Kam]

Yes, it was a failed experiment. I'm in the process of removing them now, and I guess a plus is that whatever was causing the Seed AI to fatal error is no longer an issue.

Suggestions for additions to human and orc tech trees?