Beyond Darkness [1.5]

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Date: 14:28:28 31-May-12
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Map Status: Approved 5/5
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Comment: Awesome for all you who love fast battles and constant action.

 

[HammerFist132]

Edit: what are u planning in new versions, are u planning multyplayer

 

[sonofjay]

its a singleplayer so no need to worry about the filesize, anyway, I already tried the other versions of this, and I must say that this is a fun map, I specially love the terrain and the spells are wisely chosen to fit with each class.

If I have more time, I'll drop a more detailed review for this and give a rating.

 

[Vengeancekael]

Just want to take place for first comment. Will use edit, later to comment your map xD
EDIT: Why u have spend so much space on music, could u make bitrate smaller.

Look in the description, there's a download button for a smaller version without music.

@sonofjay, thanks

1.1 is out now!

Power Rage cooldown reduced to 15s (previously 30s)
Dark Transformation cooldown increased to 12s (previously 6s)
Fixed Dark Transformation insta-killing mini-bosses
Fixed the no-cooldown on spells bug when changing your mastery/stance

 

[HammerFist132]

@Vengeancekael
From some reasom map won't open to me(3.4mb). I can open it in WE but when I do test map, map wont open

 

[Vengeancekael]

Open it in WE, close the trigger editor and save it again, then try playing it. It should work then. (It's a common bug)
Also 1.1 is out, maybe try the new version.

 

[yogiman]

the terrain and the spells are awesome but the gamestyle is nothing for me. having 50 potions from beginning, destroying senseless 5 wards, spawning masses of creeps and if the potions are used game is over? or did i understand something wrong?

 

[Vengeancekael]

No of course you're right, I've also been thinking about it and I think I'm going to add a cooldown to the use of potions and also reduce the amount of potions you can get.

 

[HammerFist132]

Hello again me, I have just player v1.0 mith mage. Gameplay cool, I like spell, and arcane and fire. But I have some suggestions.
When u pick hero remove hero(or hide) what is not picked. When I killed first boss, and used New items, in that region was nightelf building on water(for ships forgot name xD) I was able to attack it and destroy it.
Spells: usualy when I am in combat casting bar for first arcane spell is shown for about 5-10 seconds. Spell Final hit is OP make it /3 current mana. Mana is regenerating to fast, make it slower, becose my mana never goes under 2.500.
With Final hit I can kill boss in few castings, and I cannot target buildings but I can damage them. Also I had one strange bug: when I was changing talent(in some part of game), once happened to with all arcane spells I have and two fire (Q and w).
Those are only my suggestions and small bug report, map is cool 5/5 and rep

 

[Vengeancekael]

Thanks =)
No I can't remove the non-picked champions, because depending on your decisions later on, they may become your AI companions and the systems and spells are completely based on the placed heroes, not hero types.
As for the new items bug, I'll take a look
I'll fix the casting bar and yeah I do need to nerf Final Hit.
Mana regeneration will be nerfed too and I'll also fix Final Hit.
And yeah I think I know where the problem with the talent changing lies.

Thanks again!

 

[D a w n]

changing your spell sets refreshes all cooldowns, you should really fix that kael :v

 

[Vengeancekael]

1.1 has already fixed that

 

[MortAr]

It says "Version without music [20MB smaller]: Link" but when I click it starts to download same size file?

 

[Vengeancekael]

Oh pff lol, I'll upload the right version soon.
New version! 1.2:

Minor bug fixes
Final Hit nerfed drastically
Artesia's starting maximum mana reduced to 1000 (previously 2500)
Sorceress: Arcane now restores 15 Mana Points (previously 250)
Health Potions now only have 15 charges (previously 50)
Health Potions now have a 3s cooldown

Over 1000 hits and 250 downloads, thanks guys

 

[EternaLife]

Where are the spells? How on earth do you access them? I dont see any spells to use at all

 

[Vengeancekael]

In the beginning it tells you to press ESC to switch between spell sets.

 

[HammerFist132]

Okey here is one I think bug.
I have finished almost evrthing in map and came to the last part. With orbs and red lighning effect what blocks u.
I was playing with rogue(i think i was in demon form) and I was able to kill orbs olny with spell for summoning unit

 

[Vengeancekael]

You were playing version 1.2 right?

 

[HammerFist132]

I was playing version 1.00

 

[Vengeancekael]

Yeah cuz I've fixed that in 1.2

 

[MortAr]

Attachment sums it pretty much, I got stuck after taking second boss.
Also I'm unable to play v1.2 for some reason.. It doesn't appear as playable in Warcraft and when I choose it in the map-list, the players below don't show up.

PS: Screenshot is from v1.1, I'm not sure if this is fixed in 1.2

 

[Vengeancekael]

How the hell did you get stuck there lol
I'll fix it asap.

 

[Vengeancekael]

1.3 out now.

 

[wolfikun]

very detailed map hope it's a good as it looks

 

[Tickles]

Epicness on a stick.

I felt like picking a random single player map to try out this morning, and I'm glad I went with this one. The music and skills are awesome. The terrain is good, but the trees and slopes sometimes get in the way of my view (which led me to hitting Delete to switch to the default Warcraft camera). I love the optional playable AI hero idea, and especially the AI for Daedrius and Artesia after switching control to the support hero. Your choice of models and icons make the map feel even more epic.

Suggestions

• Better explanation of stances (quest log or at least game messages)
• Since there aren't any actual cinematics, some lore about why the hero is there and what their goal is would be nice
• Daedrius' vortex charges and stance cooldowns should be shown in a multiboard, timer or resource display
• Daedrius' Shadow Strike feels too overpowered for bosses -- bosses could use resistances to cut the values down by percentages
• Lower mana costs for the AI support hero skills
• Artesia's Dance of Death makes her arcane mastery feel massively overpowered compared to her fire mastery -- lower healing rate?

All-in-all, this was a fun and fast-paced mini RPG with great features and replayability

 

[Vengeancekael]

Thanks for testing Tickles! Sure, I'll look into your suggestions.

 

[Almia]

I like the artesia hero,you almost copied the hero from HoN

 

[Kingz]

Casting the rogue demon skill with those red beams doesn't work properly on first cast. (no lightning is created).

Also you should preload all effects/units to prevent the 1st cast lag.

 

[Vengeancekael]

Thanks for the feedback everyone.
1.4 out now.

 

[han777]

great one, thanks

 

[Morandir]

So great models and spells but so bad camera vision (in any mode - free,not free..) - impossible to normal game! but cool and interesting

 

[I_am_Death]

This map is so good, nothing to say more

 

[demented1]

will try it :3 btw dropbox links are all dead

 

[Ariagil]

Fu**in' action!
I couldn't wish for more fun when playing a fast action based map in w3.
• Spells are awesome, eye candy and stuff...
• Replayability? Yes, that's true! I played the map at least three times in a row.
• Terrain - beautiful...
Awesome map, 5/5

 

[Vengeancekael]

Haha, people were still commenting.
Thank you for the feedback everybody!

 

[deepstrasz]

-enemy units stop appearing after a while when battling the last ward before the big one (namely, the one in the south from the two near the big ward)
-the barrier ward (in the west) is defenseless against the ranged hero as it has 500 range and no units to protect it anymore; it takes about 2 minutes to wait for the ward to die...
-Dance of Death just stuns the unit near the heroin while she regenerates; 1v1 battles are quite easy
-the hero reaches maximum level in the first part of the game (the part with the wards in the west)
-you get an ally that is stronger than you and makes things even easier until the Dark Elemetal part that is
-there's no need to spam with "AI is close to dying"
-the end boss said: Finish them! Who's them? It was only my hero
-and where's Daveth? He's talking somehow
-the Dark Elemental and his minions is more powerful than the last boss and his weaklings

3/5. Mostly aesthetics.

 

[Vindeus]

This WOULD be a lot of fun if it weren't suffering from some serious bugs and mistakes. I'm playing on version 1.5.

• Demon Stance Daedrius is completely bugged out. His skills don't level with him which leaves him way too weak.
• The first ward scenario was inconsistent with the amount of creeps it spawned. Playing Demon Daedrius had the creeps stop spawning after a little while, while playing Normal Daedrius had the creeps spawning the entire time.
• The description in Quests says that heroes get their ultimate at level 6. I don't know about Demon Daedrius, since the game didn't let him get to that point, but Normal Daedrius got his ultimate at level 10.
• The above three issues means that Demon Daedrius can't progress past the first scenario. He doesn't get enough creeps to get to level 10 so he has no ultimate. Coupled with the fact that his skills stay level 1, he couldn't outdamage the last boss' healing.
• The Water Elemental (during the triple elemental boss fight) keeps casting an AoE damage spell while dead. Kind of annoying.
• The final boss of the game (or what I assume is the final boss), during his second phase, keeps summoning meteors which lag the game. The more meteors he summons, the more the game lags until eventually the game is basically frozen. It's like you programmed the meteors to appear but then never made them go away properly on impact, so they kept stacking up.

That final bug meant that I haven't finished the game yet. Gonna try again and hope that doesn't repeat, otherwise it means the game is impossible to finish.

Also, something that I wouldn't say is a bug but would be good to change: the Dark Elemental fight never stops spawning skeletons. Playing as Normal Daedrius, if you don't make a beeline for the elemental when he appears, you'll be blocked off from him due to all the skeletons that Daedrius cannot kill fast enough. The fight then turns into a stalemate. I actually was already blocked off from him when he appeared, but luckily my ultimate transported me to an open path to him.
Obviously the suggestion from me would be to cap off the skeletons to a more manageable amount, or at least make it so that they can't block you off from the boss.