>>>"Llama, Nothing you've said so far would make the statement not valid. I don't see how the statement was not said, and why it would be invalidated."<<<
Then you haven't been paying attention. This comes particularly so often in courts of law or treatises, that "agreements" in which one is under "distress" is not considered valid. In essnece, they don't really mean that they're agreeing; the whole point isn't at all whether or not he said it, but it's whether or not what he said counts. And clearly we see that although he "says" he gives consent, he isn't really doing so.
>>>"Also, why would I want to help out Ganon, or for that matter others who have been nothing but unappreciative of anything I do for them?"<<<
So don't "help" period then, it's quite simple.
>>>"Also, I was adressing the hive's definition of a pirated map, enough being changed or lacking a written approval of the map directly changing hands. I have the second one for sure, even if you claim it's invalid because he didn't want to do it. Also, I really think the quality of updates ganon was putting out was abysmal, and didn't improve at all from version to version. "<<<
Sure, but if it's his map it's his map, and it's not your role to become 'judge' and take it from him...again, though, ganon was a fool for actually accepting such a deal.
>>>"Also about the coding thing. More so the code was very time consuming, and to make it work properly with multiple variations of the limit, for future vers, I had to make it act differently from the one augur used, which was lot more simple in design. This one can operate on a scaling system, and gradually increase or decrease the limit, it can also create individualized limits etc with 0 difficulty. Also, I was trying to make it easy enough to use, that ganon could use it. But, he didn't seem to want to, so he starts complaining now, about having to spend his time posting something he made a agreement for? By the way he didn't even install the limiter on aws 2.2 , I did. Also, you neglect to mention, that I also remade a vast majority of the other code, and it's 100% redone in AWA itself."<<<
"neglect" to mention? Rather didn't care to mention. If you "did so much work", then why not simply a map from scratch.
>>>"Can you explain why I should give Ganon a piece of code, when he was clearly going to make the code itself open source without even asking me beforehand? It didn't bother me that much, but why would I just give him the limiter, and then he'd continue to claim the map as stolen. When my agreement for redoing all the code in the first place was to be given a copy of the map for myself, and for him to validate said copy of it. But he did renig on the initial deal, and thought I wouldn't go through with it. So, I should've given him something for backstabbing me? That doesn't seeem very logical Llama. I don't trust ganon, nor owe him anything, and he's never been a good friend to me. "<<<
And? Then just don't give it to him. But alas, you found a way to bs some justification for your actions, and he was stupid enough to "accept" it.
>>>"Also, do you see me going over to your topics/forums etc and harassing your members, like members of your community do at my forum? Also, The fact that your community has banned me multiple times without any reason, is more then a bit funny."<<<
And? This is entirely irrelevant to the conversation, as I obviously hold no ownership over other people at the same forum. It's, sadly, another ill-made attempt of yours to insult, really.
>>>"Also, why is that you feel a need to try and convince the hive moderators of something, when you clearly haven't read their rules regarding piracy. I still meet more then enough conditions, and I used to moderate maps, etc myself. I know what qualifies as Piracy, and this can't be rejected on grounds of Piracy. Unless you can prove that ganon didn't say those statements? I did the az war community a huge favor by redoing the code for ganon, it's his fault for not using it, I even told him what flaws I found in the code from my own testing, but he didn't want to fix them. Next you'll say I should've fixed them for him. This just further leads to ganon is extremely lazy, and anything to do with 'work' scares him away from doing it. It's the real reason 2.2 never released."<<<
I'm not "trying" to convince anyone of anything. I've just stated things how they are. And it's pretty obvious how ganon felt in those events.
It doesn't matter if ganons lazy or not. If a mapmaker is lazy with his map, he's lazy with his map.
>>>"But, I would like to know, why should I want to be friends with a community that spreads propaganda and hate regarding me, when my intentions for making AWA were nothing but noble. Furthermore, are you going to claim that now 'number' who wasn't even designated by anyone is now more official a editor then me or specter? Ganon passed the map onto Specter for AWS 2.2, and he did technically validate my copy."<<<
I've yet to see any real propaganda. There's no need to sway anyone with propaganda when they all already feel the same way.
He "technically" validated your copy, but did not truly validate it.
>>>"So the fact that I actually support and help out specter is 'evil' now? I'm sorry I'm nice to the people who use my forum, and actually help them out quite a bit. Why would I want to be friends with a community that doesn't want to be friends with me
? Even though, I've written several hero lists *which many were used* for DAOW, gave many suggestions for Az Wars when ganon was working on it. "<<<
Never said anything about this.
>>>"I also, did a hell of a lot more work then Ganon ever did on the map. All of his changes were superficial and in my opinion rather small and uncomplicated. I was following the progress of the map under ganon, and found it to be stagnant, and he only focused on adding new things instead of fixing issues, because it was 'easier'."<<<
And that's his decision to make.
>>>"Lastly, No I'm saying you guys obviously need something better to do then come all the way over here just to harass me? I mean really, don't you have some new vers to be putting out Llama."<<<
What, does it take 3 hours to make a comment for you? It's a breeze for me to type this up in less than 10 minutes, doing whatever I'm doing at the moment. It's purely irrational attempts to insult to assume that "you need something better to do then come ALL THE WAY OVER HERE." Kid, it's the age of the internet, "coming all the way over here" is called one click of a mouse. "And panther, don't you have some new vers to be putting out panther, instead of responding to random comments all the way over here?" Just to mimic the ridiculousness of that statement.
>>>" Also, Llama, I did review your map a second time, and it didn't fix any of the problems I listed on the review of the earlier vers. My problems were entirely polish based on your vers, and I found the quality of terrain to be blah, but that can be excused."<<<
In your own words, all you did was moronically state "God it sucks", and made nothing of any contributive value, just words of foolhardy ranting or meaningless statements.
>>>"P.S: Llama I'm glad to see you actually have the will to argue back, I rather enjoy this kind of parlay. Also, what makes you assume I haven't been rebuilding most of the map, I already remade the hardest to redo part, which was the code. Terrain, will soon follow suit, along with all the unit tech trees etc. But most of my changes up to this point were under the hood, or heroes, and a few unit removals, system changes."<<<
Actually, pretty doubtful you enjoy any real debate since you've pretty much never stepped foot in a thinking cap/intelligent discussion forum, though you will probably do so now to try to 'prove me wrong.'
And in essence, my real question, is why you simply haven't remade the map, if you're going to make it "completely different."