Assassins v4.1 +AI

[indomitable1319]

Right. Anyways, here's what I think.
I agree with Threeright, the Crossbow is too powerful. It should only be at least +15 instead, but the ability it has is strong.

The AI has improved a lot! I actually died even faster this time.

The ability point system with the Intelligence is good, you get more.

The ability to buy your points should be more expensive, it should cost around 200 gold.

I typed -tm3 999999 and it was 999999 kills till I won.

My rating: 5/5
It just gets better and better, Baintastic.

 

[threeright]

If there has to be an option to buy Ability points, it should really cost 1000-3000 gold.
Infact, during game I find myself with 4000g easily...

 

[Baintastic]

to threeright:

I've just played v3.3 AI.
It just feels wrong, playing with a bigger sized hero. Although it is probably because I am more used to the smaller version.

It is very awkward at first, but you'll get used to it. I was receiving complaints that the heroes were too differently sized and I hadn't changed them from their original preset scalings. (And since I'm making units that were originally non-hero models like the rifleman and the druid into heroes, don't you think they should be a little larger?)

I feel that the addition of the option to buy ability points and the item Legendary Crossbow is degenerative to the game.

Agreed that the Crossbow could be spammed, but that would cost a LOT of money and the ability is all on the same cooldown. If someone can afford 6 Crossbows, then they probably deserve to win. Also, the purpose of adding an Ability Point item was to give people to put their money toward late game. Before this and the Crossbow, people would have full inventory and nothing to do with their money. Plus, it's absurd to buy AP early game (and that's when INT is at its best). I may increase the cost of the AP in the next patch and I may add more "super" items like the crossbow for very late game inventory diversity.

Bug: there is a fatal error bug in version, last time this happened was when i was playing a -dm100 -weatheron

That's because you can't type those on the same line. You type -dm 100 and then -weatheron. If you have any non-number after "-dm ", I imagine you will always get a fatal error. But thanks for catching that ; I will put in some sort of protection against letting people do that in the next patch.

to indomitable1319:

I agree with Threeright, the Crossbow is too powerful. It should only be at least +15 instead, but the ability it has is strong.

Okay, fine... I'll nerf it in the next patch

My rating: 5/5
It just gets better and better, Baintastic.

Thanks! you should rate it 5/5 then

 

[Biggrouse]

great map. it's very teamwork based and fairly balanced. i like the unique ultimates; none of them seem to be a solid choice over others

 

[indomitable1319]

Sure, a 5/5, Baintastic.

 

[s.t.a.l.k.e.r.]

was sniper finally nerfed and this map is playable again?

 

[threeright]

The game needs an unstuck feature or some sort of fix... druid of talon can go on top of a unpassable terrain using his flight form and pudge hook a player to his position making them stuck.

This shouldn't be "Part of the Game" as the druid of talon can ruin the game for everyone by simply pudge shotting eveyrone into unpassable terrain and leaving them there. The players also wouldn't be able to gain ability points while stuck so they wouldn't be able to "Learn from their Mistakes" and get blink

 

[Baintastic]

Sure, a 5/5, Baintastic.

Thanks!

was sniper finally nerfed and this map is playable again?

Sniper is not as good as he has been in some of the previous versions. I rebalanced all the heroes using an excel sheet that I made, so they are VERY well balanced now.

The game needs an unstuck feature or some sort of fix...

Yes, it does need that.

 

[Aesthetics]

Hey Bain, I believe you need to update your signature to reflect the new version.

 

[Baintastic]

lol, you are correct

 

[gianluktb]

weather command allows you to having fun with friends

 

[AVAVT]

I really like this map, and always play 2v2 3v3 with my friends
I'll write a deep comment for this map

Terran
-Need more fog
-Need three-ways shortcut to play fog trick or escape

Items
Players always buys 3 items first:
+Storm Hammer: provide stun
+Voodoo Wand: provide hex
+Gale Treads : provide cyclone
I think it's too much disable for game, it makes game like who hex/stun first who win
In my opinion, EACH hero can only buy only one Item below:
+Storm Hammer: provide stun(decrease a little dam from storm bolt)
+Voodoo Wand: provide hex
+Voltaic Blade: forked lightning changes to lightning bolt( 1 target/ also provide purge)

New item: Eye of Sageras:
Monocle + Sentry Wards
Provide Extends your vision at night + place ward(count down: 2 min)

Remove Leaf of Ressurection

Heroes
-Crypt Lord: bug when he uses ulti in aoe dam, then he dies before the spike grow up, then he can't respawn
-Tauren Chieftain: sometime he push other hero out of map(so we need a more command like -unstuck, freeze hero in 30s and respawn him)

OVER POWER HEROES:
+Druid: reduce his sight pls
+Assassin: reduce stun duration
+Raider: reduce pull back time to 2

UNDER POWER HEROES:
+Mountain Giant: increase 1 charge and stun duration a little bit
+Shadow Hunter: increase ward's damage a bit
+Mortar Team: improve animation ( slow cast skill )

Skills
+Burning Shuriken: player can not use potion when hit by Burning Shuriken
+Thunder Clap: reduce mana cost
+Chameleon Spell: only remove , too weak
+Dog Bone: reduce duration (30s is fine, and does not chase hero when he respawn)
+Mend: reduce healing done
+Minds Eye: cd decrease with level
+Shadow Decoy: need reduce too much like max illusion = 3
+Focus: lv5 1s
+Poison: also provide slow effect

 

[Baintastic]

@AVAVT:
I released a new version v3.3a (not posted on this site yet):
- reduced the disable durations
- removed the leaf
- added an -unstuck command
- nerfed the druid and the assassin
- decreased the cast point and attack point of the mortar team
- reduced the thunder clap manacost
- reduced the duration and increased the speed of dog bone
- reduced the hp of the illusions from shadow decoy

Future Changes:
- I plan to add the Eye of Sargeras

 

[indomitable1319]

How did you make it so that the heroes can hold up to 6 spells?

 

[Baintastic]

He got rid of the red cross icon

What red cross icon?

How did you make it so that the heroes can hold up to 6 spells?

They can actually hold 7 spells. I was able to exceed 5 spells because I am using regular unit spells, not hero spells. There is virtually no limit to how many unit spells a unit can have (active unit spells are still constrained by how many available icon slots your unit has).

 

[Cweener]

uhmmmm....you saw nothing

 

[indomitable1319]

OH UNIT SPELLS!!! Dammit...
Okay... Thanks.

 

[AVAVT]

@AVAVT:
I released a new version v3.3a (not posted on this site yet):
- reduced the disable durations
- removed the leaf
- added an -unstuck command
- nerfed the druid and the assassin
- decreased the cast point and attack point of the mortar team
- reduced the thunder clap manacost
- reduced the duration and increased the speed of dog bone
- reduced the hp of the illusions from shadow decoy

Future Changes:
- I plan to add the Eye of Sargeras

Thx u so much
We can't wait for play new version
Right now i'm downloading 3.3a

 

[crueltyinc]

I started playing Assassins a while back and I have to say it's one of the best WC3 experiences I've had. It's a truly unique mod and it's a shame it's not seen more online.

Only improvements I can see for it are mentioned on the site so I'll not reiterate them here.

 

[CyberDuelX16]

The AI is still a bit weird, but i love the variety of this game =D. Re-playability Value is ENORMOUS! =D

 

[Ssilhouette]

My suggest:
-Enable unlearn skill (function or command) and get back ability points.
-More unique and variation of items. So that not everybody gets almost the same items. -Also to put item recipes in F11.

 

[Eldubs]

Hey creator, i am a crazy fan of your map. I really try to play it always i can but nobody wants to play it with me

Anyways, i dont really know what to suggest, i always us the same hero and same item buy, and always win. If i can find some hard opponents please pm me!

 

[xotmd04]

Suggestion...

One of the most enjoyable maps that I always play on Warcraft 3 with my friends.....

and how about a restart function? sometimes the game ends unexpectedly quick, which means we have to exit the game and then create another one. but if we had a restart function built in-game we could just start another game straight away.

I dont even know if its possible, but I thought it might be convenient


thanks

 

[indomitable1319]

It'll be hard since the entire game will restart all of its resources and stuff.
The awards, kills, deaths, abilities learned, etc. It's possible; but very difficult to do.

 

[sentrywiz]

Hey gimme some rep! I gave you item ideas :S

Kidding.

Awesome map. 5/5

 

[Dogzo]

rep+ 5/5

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plz fix the ai to stronger and that they buy items

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i dont think this map is assassins , its a pvp so its like arena fight or somthing as i imagine assassins are stealthy killers , this is definatly not STEALTHY

 

[Baintastic]

rep+ 5/5

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plz fix the ai to stronger and that they buy items

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i dont think this map is assassins , its a pvp so its like arena fight or somthing as i imagine assassins are stealthy killers , this is definatly not STEALTHY

lol, you are correct. Assassins is not an appropriate name for the map. It did start out as a map about assassinating each other with sneaky spells, but quickly became a PvP with a standard camera...

also, you didn't actually give the map a 5/5 or give me +rep as you said in your comment... I don't really care; I'm just saying.

 

[indomitable1319]

Liar!

BTW Bain, still loving playing it over LAN with my brother.
+Rep! Again!

 

[Baintastic]

Liar!

BTW Bain, still loving playing it over LAN with my brother.
+Rep! Again!

lol, thanks dude.

 

[Eldubs]

lol, you are correct. Assassins is not an appropriate name for the map. It did start out as a map about assassinating each other with sneaky spells, but quickly became a PvP with a standard camera...

also, you didn't actually give the map a 5/5 or give me +rep as you said in your comment... I don't really care; I'm just saying.

I really believe this map is a pvp map, i have a ultimate style of gameplay when i always win. WOuld be cool to find a decent opponent for once : (

5/5 +rep (i believe i rated before)

 

[Baintastic]

I really believe this map is a pvp map, i have a ultimate style of gameplay when i always win. WOuld be cool to find a decent opponent for once : (

5/5 +rep (i believe i rated before)

Thanks Eldubs! What is your build? (if you don't mind my asking)

 

[Eldubs]

Well, i start off as a human ranger. I start with shuriken spell, train it to max, then bash.

With items i start off with a strength hammer, max it out so i get my stun. (and hp so i dont die)

Then with shuriken and my hammer i got 2 stuns and i can defeat people easily. (had multiple games with 50/0 stats)

Get dagger, boots, then staff level 2, another hammer, staff to level 4 for ballista. Then i got 3 stuns. After i get gloves with life steal and then i am ready to go!. (in start buy around 30 potions so i get hp and mana between battles or when i stunned an enemy)

 

[Baintastic]

Well, i start off as a human ranger. I start with shuriken spell, train it to max, then bash.

With items i start off with a strength hammer, max it out so i get my stun. (and hp so i dont die)

Then with shuriken and my hammer i got 2 stuns and i can defeat people easily. (had multiple games with 50/0 stats)

Get dagger, boots, then staff level 2, another hammer, staff to level 4 for ballista. Then i got 3 stuns. After i get gloves with life steal and then i am ready to go!. (in start buy around 30 potions so i get hp and mana between battles or when i stunned an enemy)

good strategy. I'm surprised you don't go for her ult: even more stun
either that, or you could give the Assassin a try. Her ult has a 1.4 second stun and she has more AS than the Ranger. Just a thought.

Does anyone else have a strategy they want to share?

 

[indomitable1319]

I'm great with any hero. Any hero. ANY.
I type in -tm3 999999999999999 then press V to choose a random hero.
After that, I get Javelin as my first skill. It's good for heroes that are on the run after they're almost dead. Also good for Kill-Stealing. Javelin Level 5 deals a massive amount of damage (315) and has very long range.
I once did this with my Javelin. My brother was about 2000 range away, killing another unit. It was Team Deathmatch (3 Teams) so I had sight vision. I pressed X and shot right at the enemy. When it hit, the hero was one hit away from dying, and there we go. Ultimate Kill-Steal.
My first item is the Ice Sapphire. Then I go for Perfect Amethyst. Then I top it all off with Gale Treads. After that, I'll make 3 Voodoo Wands for the increased Ability Points per level thing. If I want to kick ass, I'll buy a whole load of Land Mines and plant it all over a cliff. Then I sit and watch my kills rise by the second.

Yeaaaaaaaah.

 

[Eldubs]

Maybe we should play sometime ^^

 

[indomitable1319]

Can't connect on Garena, sorreh.
Also, I can't access B.Net.
Sorreh again.

 

[Eldubs]

Whats up with that!

 

[Baintastic]

lol, any other strategies? I am a big fan of Shaman.
If used properly, his ult can pretty much guarantee a double kill

Indomitable, have you ever played on bnet? or just against AI?
bnet is a completely different game. It's so easy to get pwned...

 

[indomitable1319]

Just AI.
I can't access B.Net, but it's alright since I was able to play on Garena.
Now I just play with AI these days, because my Garena won't run anymore.

 

[Dogzo]

lol, you are correct. Assassins is not an appropriate name for the map. It did start out as a map about assassinating each other with sneaky spells, but quickly became a PvP with a standard camera...

also, you didn't actually give the map a 5/5 or give me +rep as you said in your comment... I don't really care; I'm just saying.

gived rep +

 

[SasuhKun]

Just commenting on what you said about the name.

Assassins would be good for a kind of game like Samurai vs Ninja or something. In which you DO... assasinate people, being sneaky and all. This would be more like... Berserk, perhaps.

 

[Baintastic]

gived rep +

lol, still no 5/5? :O

Just commenting on what you said about the name.

Assassins would be good for a kind of game like Samurai vs Ninja or something. In which you DO... assasinate people, being sneaky and all. This would be more like... Berserk, perhaps.

lol, people would probably be too confused if I changed the name now...

 

[SasuhKun]

That's the problem. Heh.

Well, still, a good game. By the way, did you balanced the items?

 

[Eldubs]

To think of it, you saying you get no rep from comments, but your signature clearly states you woe me rep lol.

So before asking others for rating ans rep. you better speak for your words from the sig. I am just saying mate.

 

[Baintastic]

To think of it, you saying you get no rep from comments, but your signature clearly states you woe me rep lol.

So before asking others for rating ans rep. you better speak for your words from the sig. I am just saying mate.

lol, if that's how you want to spin it...
my sig says rep for reviews not just comments.
BUT seeing as you did review my map, I suppose I can spare you some rep
I'm just trying to get my map rating up, and when people say 5/5, but don't actually rate the map... well you know.

That's the problem. Heh.

Well, still, a good game. By the way, did you balanced the items?

I've done a little rebalancing for v3.4 that I'm working on now. Still more to do before I release it though :O
What rebalancing were you expecting?

 

[SasuhKun]

Items, mainly.

 

[Eldubs]

Itesm are pretty balanced i think, but more items would be lovely

 

[Baintastic]

Items, mainly.

anything specific?

Itesm are pretty balanced i think, but more items would be lovely

lol, easier said than done. I'm in the process of adding a 4th book. I just need to balance the new spells and write their tooltips
Any specific requests? I'm working on it now.

 

[SasuhKun]

Remember AVAVT post?

From what I saw, you did not attended to all the issues he appointed.

Stun hex combo is incredibly annoying.

 

[Baintastic]

Remember AVAVT post?

From what I saw, you did not attended to all the issues he appointed.

Stun hex combo is incredibly annoying.

Okay, I'll work on redoing the items... Any requests aside from what AVAVT pointed out?