Assassins v4.1 +AI

[Vunjo]

Wrong place to speak about this.

Also i will download and play it as soon as i get time!

Well, since we stopped talking about it, and I even said BTW xD, what's wrong with it lolz

 

[Eldubs]

Starting a wrgon convo on a different topic is just wrong.

 

[bjpogi210]

I don't know if this was fixed in the last update but I just want to tell what happened when my friends and I are playing this map...
We were playing capture the flag. I got the flag. I was running. I was attacked. I use the mirror image thingy to create illusions. I managed to go back home with two illusions. I scored three! And we noticed that there were now three flags at our enemies home. The illusions makes score and multiplies the flags...

 

[Eldubs]

This can be fixed simply by making the illusions die when they enter the circle.

 

[aldwyn]

funny game... I play it always when i don´t have anything to do... good in stress... Only mega killing and stuff

 

[Baintastic]

Hmmm...on your website, I can't find award definitions! D:

Also..................
I like the new version!
Buttttt a 50 kill limit in DM mode? >:|

I like to set it to 500 and kick some ass.

haha, okay fine. I put the top cap on it so new players don't go way over the limit on kills. I'll make a way to get around it in the next version. Did you get a chance to try hitman mode?

I don't know if this was fixed in the last update but I just want to tell what happened when my friends and I are playing this map...
We were playing capture the flag. I got the flag. I was running. I was attacked. I use the mirror image thingy to create illusions. I managed to go back home with two illusions. I scored three! And we noticed that there were now three flags at our enemies home. The illusions makes score and multiplies the flags...

Wow, I had never heard of this bug before now. I'll have to make it so illusions can't score in the next version

This can be fixed simply by making the illusions die when they enter the circle.

Does it look like I posted this on the World Editor Help forum? Geez... haha, joking. Thanks for the idea.

 

[Cweener]

Nope, what's hitman mode? O:

 

[oldmilk]

I've been playing this map since v3.2, so of course i'm a fan of this map. Good job at reviving the map with 4.0. I was kind of getting bored.

I've tried the hitman mode, and there were some bugs with when your target dies, and it reassigns you a target. Sometimes, it never finds a new target until I kill another player, then that player is assigned as my target, and I must kill him again. There are sometimes where that flash above the target's head when you deal damage to them appearing when you attack other heroes.

Also, I have a balance suggestion. the warden's unique should target the last HERO to attack her, not any unit. There are so many creeps around the map, and all attack you on sight. This makes it extremely hard for her to target a hero with her unique skill.

Also, thunder clap's extremely small AoE at level one makes it hard to use, easy to avoid, and costs a lot of AP. You should lower just the level 1 AP cost of thunder clap.

I got the frost attack sapphire item on the Tauren Chieftain, but it wasn't working. My items were the level 2 boots, and the sapphire item. I didn't have any passives at the time.

Also, I'm confused with hitman mode. The # in -hm # seems to be the kill limit like any other deathmatch, because I gain points for killing other heroes than my target. My target gives me 2 points. I am totally lost at when or how you win the "match" and gain bonus gold and AP, as sometimes when a hero kills their target, they just gain 1 bonus kill point, and sometimes they get that bonus gold. I dont' see any signs or patterns as to which target kill triggers it.

That's my report

 

[Map Gnome]

have some suggestions
more levels for the uniques would be nice.
rework Javelin, it's kinda a boring ability and the huge range is most of the time useless. Nobody wants Javelin.
Buckshot makes more than 100/125/150/175/200 damage. On level 5 it says 100 damage, but in fact it does often more than 400. But 400 is good I think.
maybe decrease the AP cost of Tempest by 1, and from Bolas by 3.
make Backstabber do percental damage.
reduce the manacost of chameleon, nobody wants chameleon.
I think Sprint needs more movement speed bonus, nobody wants Sprint.
give the goblin mine knockback.
let the gem and the monocle combine, nobody wants to waste an item slot for the monocle.
and the unique of the Banshee has an odd tooltip: "u" and that's it, needs a fix.

 

[Magnet199]

looks good, testing

EDIT: ok,
- When you buy skill and you die, guess what....you lost points for nothing
- AI cowards? i mean, i made the cheat "iseedeadpoeple" AI goes and fight with creeps then goes running around all game XD
- Everything else is just good

 

[CyberDuelX16]

Two Words: Brilliant Game. The only thing i found strange was how cheap the items were.

 

[Baintastic]

Nope, what's hitman mode? O:

Cweener, it's -hm # and it's the new default mode. Give it a try!

response to oldmilk

I've been playing this map since v3.2, so of course i'm a fan of this map. Good job at reviving the map with 4.0. I was kind of getting bored.

thanks

I've tried the hitman mode, and there were some bugs with when your target dies, and it reassigns you a target. Sometimes, it never finds a new target until I kill another player, then that player is assigned as my target, and I must kill him again. There are sometimes where that flash above the target's head when you deal damage to them appearing when you attack other heroes.

none of those are bugs.
if you are the last one to die, you aren't assigned a new target until someone else dies.
and then if you kill that player again before someone else dies, they will still be your target.
the flash above a hero's head means that you are dealing half damage to them because YOU are THEIR target (strong indication to run rather than give them double points).

Also, I have a balance suggestion. the warden's unique should target the last HERO to attack her, not any unit. There are so many creeps around the map, and all attack you on sight. This makes it extremely hard for her to target a hero with her unique skill.

I see your point, but I disagree. The would be over-powered if creeps didn't stop you from tracking a hero. It would allow you to pick on one player the entire game.
ie. you kill a hero, creep until they revive, use the ult and take out the hero again, creep again, and repeat until they quit the game.

Also, thunder clap's extremely small AoE at level one makes it hard to use, easy to avoid, and costs a lot of AP. You should lower just the level 1 AP cost of thunder clap.

agreed, I will update this in the next version.

I got the frost attack sapphire item on the Tauren Chieftain, but it wasn't working. My items were the level 2 boots, and the sapphire item. I didn't have any passives at the time.

hmm, this is strange... maybe it doesn't work with all melee. I will look into it.

Also, I'm confused with hitman mode. The # in -hm # seems to be the kill limit like any other deathmatch, because I gain points for killing other heroes than my target. My target gives me 2 points. I am totally lost at when or how you win the "match" and gain bonus gold and AP, as sometimes when a hero kills their target, they just gain 1 bonus kill point, and sometimes they get that bonus gold. I dont' see any signs or patterns as to which target kill triggers it.

That's my report

yes, you still get points for killing other players in hitman mode. however you get double points for killing your target and you get bonus gold and AP if you are the last one alive in the circle. you can check the status of the circle by looking at the multiboard. the activated mana shield icons on the right side indicate who is still in the circle. make sense?

thanks for the comments and suggestions!

response to Map Gnome

have some suggestions
more levels for the uniques would be nice.

agreed, this is already in the future changelog.

rework Javelin, it's kinda a boring ability and the huge range is most of the time useless. Nobody wants Javelin.

disagree. a lot of people use javelin. it is great for picking off low health heroes quickly from a good distance.

Buckshot makes more than 100/125/150/175/200 damage. On level 5 it says 100 damage, but in fact it does often more than 400. But 400 is good I think.

yes is does. this is because of the knockback system I created. if a unit is knocked into something, it stops immediately and takes damage proportional to the speed it was traveling. since Buckshot has a lot of knockback, you can get massive damage bonuses by making units collide with the terrain or other units.

maybe decrease the AP cost of Tempest by 1, and from Bolas by 3.

okay

make Backstabber do percental damage.

no, because if I base it on damage, it will not be able to distinguish between attack damage and spell damage. also, it will create an infinite loop because the bonus damage will trigger more bonus damage etc.

reduce the manacost of chameleon, nobody wants chameleon.

I'll reduce the manacost, but come on! chameleon is just a fun spell! I could also make it not change the unit's colors, so you can use it to ambush people a little better. haven't you ever tried hiding in frog form? it's hilarious!

I think Sprint needs more movement speed bonus, nobody wants Sprint.

sprint is a good passive, +25% ms is huge! I don't think it needs any changing. and at level 5 it turns into a 900 range aura which is great in team battles.

give the goblin mine knockback.

agreed, I was considering this already as a way to prevent someone from mining a shop like crazy (people would only hit one and get knocked away)

let the gem and the monocle combine, nobody wants to waste an item slot for the monocle.

I will be reworking all of the items eventually. They all need a lot of work in my opinion.

and the unique of the Banshee has an odd tooltip: "u" and that's it, needs a fix.

I've heard this bug before, but it never happens when I check. maybe it's a glitch from the optimization...
either way, I'm going to redo her ult eventually anyway and maybe this issue will go away

looks good, testing

EDIT: ok,
- When you buy skill and you die, guess what....you lost points for nothing
- AI cowards? i mean, i made the cheat "iseedeadpoeple" AI goes and fight with creeps then goes running around all game XD
- Everything else is just good

there is a very small window for you to die between the upgrade time where this will happen.
I will see what I can do to fix it, but this is a very rare complaint.
yes, I know that the AI sucks for the most part. I will eventually make them pwn, but for now... I would recommend playing with real people

Two Words: Brilliant Game. The only thing i found strange was how cheap the items were.

Thanks! I will be redoing the items soon. They will cost more and there will be more of them

 

[CyberDuelX16]

Thanks! I will be redoing the items soon. They will cost more and there will be more of them

Great to know, maybe we can play sometime? Battle.net is dead for the most part so It's hard to find humans to play with you

 

[Baintastic]

Hosting bot is running again on US East and West!!
Go to channel "Assassins" for game names!

 

[indomitable1319]

WHO SAID THAT JAVELIN IS USELESS?

Somebody hunt him down. Now.

 

[Baintastic]

WHO SAID THAT JAVELIN IS USELESS?

Somebody hunt him down. Now.

maybe you should hunt him down with a javelin. he won't see it coming.

 

[indomitable1319]

Good idea. :3 >

 

[oldmilk]

Ah I see. Thanks for the clarification on hitman mode.

Also, maybe the agility Forked Lightning ability from the item costs too much mana? Most agility heroes don't have much mana at all. Maybe lower by like a small-medium amount, like 25 or 50.

Also, solution to javelin.

Host a game, select team deathmatch, have a teammate max out the skill that pings all enemy locations asap. Have the rest max javelin asap. Focus the person who said javelin was useless

More heroes eventually would be nice too. Like 1 more per altar/tavern

EDIT: I found a bug.

I was using the dwarven rifleman (why is HIS name diana windwood??), and I had level 2 boots, and a level 2 hp regen crystal. I also had bash level 2. <-scenario. I started learning buckshot, but no matter how many times i level it, the book says it's increasing in level, but my skill UI on my hero keeps saying buckshot is level 1. It also seems to actually have level 1 power, since it does cost 100 mana, and mana cost was supposed to increase at higher levels.

Also, buckshot's AoE is too small. anyone can run from it. It's even possible to miss on a stationary target by not positioning perfectly. should increase to 300 AoE from 200?

 

[Baintastic]

Ah I see. Thanks for the clarification on hitman mode.

Also, maybe the agility Forked Lightning ability from the item costs too much mana? Most agility heroes don't have much mana at all. Maybe lower by like a small-medium amount, like 25 or 50.

Also, solution to javelin.

Host a game, select team deathmatch, have a teammate max out the skill that pings all enemy locations asap. Have the rest max javelin asap. Focus the person who said javelin was useless

More heroes eventually would be nice too. Like 1 more per altar/tavern

EDIT: I found a bug.

I was using the dwarven rifleman (why is HIS name diana windwood??), and I had level 2 boots, and a level 2 hp regen crystal. I also had bash level 2. <-scenario. I started learning buckshot, but no matter how many times i level it, the book says it's increasing in level, but my skill UI on my hero keeps saying buckshot is level 1. It also seems to actually have level 1 power, since it does cost 100 mana, and mana cost was supposed to increase at higher levels.

Also, buckshot's AoE is too small. anyone can run from it. It's even possible to miss on a stationary target by not positioning perfectly. should increase to 300 AoE from 200?

I will decrease the mana cost of forked lightning.
I'm considering adding a fifth altar (for neutral heroes)
Good catch! it turns out that that is a bug with all of the heroes.
I didn't give any of them Buckshot in their upgrades-used field.
I want to keep the range of buckshot how it is.
It is a high-power spell with enormous knockback, so I would like to keep it difficult to use.

 

[Vunjo]

Sent you teh map by teh mail =)

 

[dnek]

it would be much better if you put back the resurrection leaf AND make it like when you die, it is still considered as death but you respawn instantly to a random place.

 

[Baintastic]

it would be much better if you put back the resurrection leaf AND make it like when you die, it is still considered as death but you respawn instantly to a random place.

How about if I just make a maximum respawn time of like 30 seconds or something? Right now it's a linear equation based on how many kills you have. And then maybe there could be a permanent item that reduces your respawn time.

 

[gerf]

Hi boy. I'm play you map. Realy cool. Good work! And Good luck!

 

[Baintastic]

Hi boy. I'm play you map. Realy cool. Good work! And Good luck!

Thanks!

 

[dnek]

1 more thing, if it's ok with you..
in 1st person view(fpon), would you mind making the camera adjustable just like in runes of daerk?

btw, thanks for creating such a good map!

 

[Vunjo]

Wth is runes of daerk? xD

 

[Baintastic]

Wth is runes of daerk? xD

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Also, you can use zoom commands already to change the zoom of the camera.

 

[Dogzo]

what does this hitman mode do?

 

[Baintastic]

what does this hitman mode do?

• New Game Mode: Hitman (-hm XX)
  • Each player is assigned a target (creating a circle of hitmen)
  • A hitman takes half damage from his target
  • Killing a target results in double points and a new target: the target's target
  • Bonus gold and AP are awarded to the last hitman alive in a circle of hitmen
  • A second string of hitmen will be created as the hitmen from the original circle die
    • The last hitman that died becomes the target of the second-to-last one that died
    • The last hitman standing in the current circle becomes the missing link in the current string of hitmen which creates a new circle

 

[Dogzo]

• New Game Mode: Hitman (-hm XX)
  • Each player is assigned a target (creating a circle of hitmen)
  • A hitman takes half damage from his target
  • Killing a target results in double points and a new target: the target's target
  • Bonus gold and AP are awarded to the last hitman alive in a circle of hitmen
  • A second string of hitmen will be created as the hitmen from the original circle die
    • The last hitman that died becomes the target of the second-to-last one that died
    • The last hitman standing in the current circle becomes the missing link in the current string of hitmen which creates a new circle

:O so what you mean is a one guy is attacking a guy while another is a ttacking the first guy? its like a snake ?

:O so what you mean is a one guy is attacking a guy while another is a ttacking the first guy? its like a snake ?

what ever i will try out this new version , i was playing the old 3.4

hope this one is good
will give feed back!

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[Dogzo]

:O so what you mean is a one guy is attacking a guy while another is a ttacking the first guy? its like a snake ?

what ever i will try out this new version , i was playing the old 3.4

hope this one is good
will give feed back!

 

[Baintastic]

:O so what you mean is a one guy is attacking a guy while another is a ttacking the first guy? its like a snake ?

I suppose it's like a snake. Each player has a different target. They can still kill other players the same as a deathmatch, but it makes more sense to go after your target since they can only hurt you half as much and you get double points for killing them.

 

[Dogzo]

I suppose it's like a snake. Each player has a different target. They can still kill other players the same as a deathmatch, but it makes more sense to go after your target since they can only hurt you half as much and you get double points for killing them.

:O

this is lik the god game assassins creed brotherhood , it could be better though to only have the ability to kill your target and stun your pursuer , but cant wait to try out this

 

[Baintastic]

:O

this is lik the god game assassins creed brotherhood , it could be better though to only have the ability to kill your target and stun your pursuer , but cant wait to try out this

Yes, it's exactly like ACB, except in my game you have many abilities

 

[Dogzo]

Yes, it's exactly like ACB, except in my game you have many abilities

yes ,yes . well i am a fan of assassins

so pretty much your map rocks, keep up the good work

edit: hitman, ezio, giovanni, altair,machievelli, La volpe ( lol this is almost evryone from acb but there are some legendary assassins in the altair armor chamber if you do played the game ) i know all popular assassins
edit edit: wish i could give you more rep, because the glaiook ( hook with glave ) so rocks i just love this ability reminds me of playing dota with pudge and saying

: time to fish fresh meat, i see some

 

[Vunjo]

So, baintastic, how did you "implement" my terrain in da map?

 

[Baintastic]

yes ,yes . well i am a fan of assassins

so pretty much your map rocks, keep up the good work

edit: hitman, ezio, giovanni, altair,machievelli, La volpe ( lol this is almost evryone from acb but there are some legendary assassins in the altair armor chamber if you do played the game ) i know all popular assassins
edit edit: wish i could give you more rep, because the glaiook ( hook with glave ) so rocks i just love this ability reminds me of playing dota with pudge and saying

: time to fish fresh meat, i see some

hahaha, yes tetsu is a fun spell thanks for the Rep (maybe you could give me that 5/5 that you mentioned in your previous post instead).

So, baintastic, how did you "implement" my terrain in da map?

I haven't put it in yet I may have some suggestions for you again, but didn't look too carefully yet.

 

[Dogzo]

hahaha, yes tetsu is a fun spell thanks for the Rep (maybe you could give me that 5/5 that you mentioned in your previous post instead).



I haven't put it in yet I may have some suggestions for you again, but didn't look too carefully yet.

i was foolish lol , i didnt saw it was for moderator comments . then i was very new to this site, buti still dont get it lol some guyz not moderators do the 5/5, mayby you can tell me ?

 

[Dogzo]

i was foolish lol , i didnt saw it was for moderator comments . then i was very new to this site, buti still dont get it lol some guyz not moderators do the 5/5, mayby you can tell me ?

never mind, found it .
5/5


Note: if you still didnt get it plz pmk

 

[Baintastic]

never mind, found it .
5/5


Note: if you still didnt get it plz pmk

lol, awesome! thanks!

 

[Dogzo]

good map



( triger bb code is very hard)

 

[Baintastic]

good map



( triger bb code is very hard)

what do you mean?

 

[Vunjo]

he means that the map is excellent =)

 

[Baintastic]

he means that the map is excellent =)

haha, yes, but what is triger bb code?

 

[Vunjo]

triger bb code is another word for excellency of da map xDDD
just kidding, got no idea what that meanz

 

[Dogzo]

haha, yes, but what is triger bb code?

you know bb codes? well with the bb codes there are the trigger code, which allows me to use world editor style triggers on a comment, but it so hard , i just wanted to say that when will you advanced the ai? i just wanted to pust triggers whcih may help you but i failed them 0.0

 

[Baintastic]

you know bb codes? well with the bb codes there are the trigger code, which allows me to use world editor style triggers on a comment, but it so hard , i just wanted to say that when will you advanced the ai? i just wanted to pust triggers whcih may help you but i failed them 0.0

lol, okay. got it

 

[ironman47]

I found a bug on this map that crashed the game. I used the spell flame shuriken then threw storm bolt right afterwards and the game crashed. Wish I could show you a screenshot but no replay after game crash. Thats about all I can tell you except the player I was attacking was almost dead when I threw the stormbolt. Both of our games crashed. Fatal error.

 

[Baintastic]

I found a bug on this map that crashed the game. I used the spell flame shuriken then threw storm bolt right afterwards and the game crashed. Wish I could show you a screenshot but no replay after game crash. Thats about all I can tell you except the player I was attacking was almost dead when I threw the stormbolt. Both of our games crashed. Fatal error.

Hi ironman.

How many players were in the game? Could it have been caused by something another player did? The two spells you mentioned are blizzard-based spells, so I find it hard to believe that those two in succession caused the game to crash.

Thanks for posting!

 

[ironman47]

There were only two players on the map. If it wasn't the spells then it might be hard to figure out what caused the crash. I might as well give a quick review since your ask'in


Review: Assassins v4.0

Pros:

• The creative way of "learning" abilities (very nice)
• A nice selection of custom spells
• Having different costs for spells (some spells are always better than others)
• Nice terrain, better than average
• Custom items with custom icons
• Replay value - I'd play this map again
• Can be played single or multiplayer
• Creeps that grow stronger as the game progresses
• No wait hero respawning

Cons:

• No custom hero models?
• Not many items available for purchase
• AI heroes were too weak in later gameplay
• Small map size (A bigger map would increase gameplay value)
• Game crashed while playing (on two different computers)

Overall Rating: *****

Some custom hero models and a better AI this map would have been 5/5