Assassins v4.1 +AI

[Baintastic]

Cons:

• No custom hero models? <-- no custom heroes keeps the total map size down for faster downloads and loading time. adding just 2 custom hero models could potentially double the map's size. since the map isn't incredibly popular, bnet downloads are much more successful if the map doesn't take a full minute to download...
  [*]Not many items available for purchase <-- agree, I haven't focused that much on the item system. it was basically a necessary evil.
  [*]AI heroes were too weak in later gameplay <-- true, AI needs to be improved.
  [*]Small map size (A bigger map would increase gameplay value) <-- disagree, if the map was any bigger there would be far fewer encounters with other players.
  [*]Game crashed while playing (on two different computers) <-- I may know what caused it.

I'm guessing that you were playing Hitman mode with only two players and no AI. Hitman mode should be played with at least 3 players. Otherwise, what is the point? Whoever kills the other person just wins the round in every case and you both end up with way too much gold and AP... I will have to make the game mode auto-correct to Deathmatch when the number of players is less than 3. If this isn't what caused the map to crash, I bet you won't see it again because this is the first time I've heard about this crash scenario...

Anyway, thanks for the review!

 

[ironman47]

I was thinkin the same thing about the map crash, it may have been a fluke?

I'm glad to see you agreed on a couple of those points > items/AI
that shows your willing to work on it

I didn't say so before but honestly I really like the map. It was alot of fun to play. The map has that Quality about it where a lot of maps fail.

In my opinion, if a maps not fun to play it doesn't matter how many heroes or items or spells there is!

Anyway if you improve the AI and add a few more quality items I'll gladly give the map a 5/5.

Btw did you have an idea about improving the AI? Just increasing they're rate of Exp. gain would help alot.

Looking forward to the new and improved AI

 

[Baintastic]

I was thinkin the same thing about the map crash, it may have been a fluke?

I'm glad to see you agreed on a couple of those points > items/AI
that shows your willing to work on it

I didn't say so before but honestly I really like the map. It was alot of fun to play. The map has that Quality about it where a lot of maps fail.

In my opinion, if a maps not fun to play it doesn't matter how many heroes or items or spells there is!

Anyway if you improve the AI and add a few more quality items I'll gladly give the map a 5/5.

Btw did you have an idea about improving the AI? Just increasing they're rate of Exp. gain would help alot.

Looking forward to the new and improved AI

Yeah, even though I've been developing this map for a long time, it is still a work in progress
I suppose I could put in an ai difficulty command to make the ai harder for good players. maybe even add items to their inventory based on their level or something. eventually, I would love to make them behave like actual human players... but for now... that will have to do.
I could add a few more items too. I would really like to just redo all of the items, but I don't have enough patience for it at this point and not enough people play the map for it to be worth it.
btw, the ai already has a exp rate boost, but I could make it adjustable based on the difficulty selected.

 

[Marc Mamales]

Nice, very cool map. i love this.

 

[Baintastic]

Nice, very cool map. i love this.

thanks! I'm glad you like it do you have any suggestions?

 

[fazjr0]

Hey man, Great map! im absolutely loving it, just a shame that its not well known as when i host it i gotta wait ages for people to play as there are just too god damn many dota diehards aha =D but srsly great map man thanks and keep up the good work.

EDIT: Also, how do u upgrade the unique ability past level one? sorry im so new to this

 

[Baintastic]

Hey man, Great map! im absolutely loving it, just a shame that its not well known as when i host it i gotta wait ages for people to play as there are just too god damn many dota diehards aha =D but srsly great map man thanks and keep up the good work.

EDIT: Also, how do u upgrade the unique ability past level one? sorry im so new to this

haha, thanks! yeah, I have a host bot running on US East and West if you are interested it doesn't start many games because wc3 is slowly dying off, but it might be easier for you play that way (just go to channel "Assassins" for game names)

anyway, the uniques only have one level at this point. However, I do plan I making them each have 3 levels in a future patch (I will probably redo some of them as well).

EDIT: if you can think of anything you'd like to see in the game, plz let me know!

 

[rockthar]

Looks interresting will try it with my friends in the weekend and give feedback

 

[Baintastic]

Looks interresting will try it with my friends in the weekend and give feedback

awesome I hope you like it!

 

[Raven0]

Cool map, I wish the A.I. was harder.

I thought the map was better from 1st person b/c you can gank people from behind and you don't know what's around the next corner. But everyone will always do 3rd person b/c it has such an advantage, maybe a 1st-person only mode?

 

[Baintastic]

Cool map, I wish the A.I. was harder.

I thought the map was better from 1st person b/c you can gank people from behind and you don't know what's around the next corner. But everyone will always do 3rd person b/c it has such an advantage, maybe a 1st-person only mode?

lol, I'm glad you like the game.

use the command -fpon for a first person game

 

[fazjr0]

Ok been playing abit,
as i said before its great =D
some new heroes would be great, i know your working on it, but just saying i see alot of similar picks in the same game so more variety is gonna be awesome cant wait for it

The mines seem overpowered early game and late game, im not sure maybe its because
there were loads stacked up but me and alot of other players have just been destroyed by them constantly from them getting spammed. dunno if you could nerf them or scale em or something just saying they seem to be like. buy item, receive kill even with the gem because u put them on the ramps so u die before u get the sight.

I also noticed that when your playing hitman, and this happens quite often, if a player ragequits, its screws up the hitman circle, often resulting in being given no target, the target that ragequited, and the ragequiter winning the hitman round everytime.

EDIT: also maybe make the agro range of the Neuts a bit smaller because its frustrating when your being chased, or chasing, and the neuts pull resulting in you dieing or them getting away, especially in some of the narrower pathways,

Not sure if you already knew about these but thought id just post it up just incase

 

[Slayer14]

A Slayer Review: Assassins v4.0 +AI

Good Points Excellent replayability factor. Lot of new custom abilities. You can pick the abilities you want your Hero to have, versus having a Hero with preset abilities. Nice item combining system. I like to be able to play with an AI. Personally, I really liked the Chameleon ability. Having the ability to transform into a creep, and then be able to get the creeps around you to fight your enemies is really unique. I haven't seen anything like that on any other map. Bad Points The AI was weak. They kept getting killed by creeps. Bugs The "hook" ability, the one that shoots out a glaive projectile and latches onto a target and drags it to the Hero, I forget the name of it, but if you are facing the opposite direction of your target, then your Hero will shoot the hook in the wrong direction. The will come out before the Hero gets turned all the way around. Overall Opinion Overall, I think this is an excellent map. What really makes it a good map is the fact that it has a good replayability factor due to the fact that you can customize your Hero with different abilities. I couldn't find many "Bad Points" at all. I say 4/5.

Btw, I was the other person that was playing the game with ironman47 when his game crashed. Nice map though.

 

[Baintastic]

@fazjr0: thanks for the suggestions ; I have noted them in the future changelog

@Slayer14: thanks for the review ; I hope to improve the AI at some point. I haven't put a lot of effort into them as they were originally just for my own testing purposes also, the hook shouldn't have that problem as of version 4.0 because I rewrote the spell entirely. Are you sure it occurred in the latest version? Thanks!

 

[Slayer14]

Are you sure it occurred in the latest version? Thanks!

Yes, I had just downloaded version 4.0 to try it out.

 

[Baintastic]

Yes, I had just downloaded version 4.0 to try it out.

hmm, that is strange... the angle of the spell used to be based on facing angle, but now it's based on the angle between caster position and casting point... I don't think there is much I can do about it, but I'll look into it.

 

[Slayer14]

hmm, that is strange... the angle of the spell used to be based on facing angle, but now it's based on the angle between caster position and casting point...

Actually, the problem seemed to be that the spell was being casted before the caster got turned all the way around when he was facing the opposite direction, causing the hook to come out to early. This did not however happen when the caster was facing already towards the target or was just facing in the general direction of the target. This problem could be fixed with a wait action, but I know how you're not supposed to use wait actions. You do need to find a way to delay the hook a little though.

 

[aki15]

Nice map, played it couple of times on Garena <3 !

 

[Dogzo]

There are 4 different game modes and 2 different camera modes.

Game Modes (player 1 only):
-dm XX - Deathmatch Mode with XX kill limit
-tm2 XX - 2 Team Deathmatch Mode with XX kill limit
-tm3 XX - 3 Team Deathmatch Mode with XX kill limit
-ctf XX - Capture the Flag with XX flag limit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

why in your website, there is no hitman mode? did you removed it ?

 

[Leak-]

it seems that if the projectile of kunai is launched, but does not the target (due to target dying while projectile is en route for example), the cooldown for kunai is refreshed. this also happens if you lose vision of the target when the projectile is en route.

hopefully this is not intended. not completely sure if it is limited to the kunai projectile.

 

[Baintastic]

Actually, the problem seemed to be that the spell was being casted before the caster got turned all the way around when he was facing the opposite direction, causing the hook to come out to early. This did not however happen when the caster was facing already towards the target or was just facing in the general direction of the target. This problem could be fixed with a wait action, but I know how you're not supposed to use wait actions. You do need to find a way to delay the hook a little though.

Hmm, I really don't want to add a wait into the spell. The spell is based on shockwave, so... could you check to see if the hook follows the path of the deformed ground when it is cast behind your hero? If the hook is off course and the deformation is on course, then it is a problem with my end of the spell. Otherwise, if the hook AND the deformation are both off course, then it is a problem with the shockwave spell and I would just need to change the base spell to Channel to fix it.

Nice map, played it couple of times on Garena <3 !

Thanks!

why in your website, there is no hitman mode? did you removed it ?

I did not. My brother just never updated that page.

it seems that if the projectile of kunai is launched, but does not the target (due to target dying while projectile is en route for example), the cooldown for kunai is refreshed. this also happens if you lose vision of the target when the projectile is en route.

hopefully this is not intended. not completely sure if it is limited to the kunai projectile.

It isn't intended, but I know why it happens. It is a result from a workaround that I did to keep the map from crashing with the original shadow strike. No matter what I did, shadow strike would occasionally cause the game to lag until it crashed, so I based the spell off of acid bomb instead. Unfortunately, the acid bomb was already being used by burning shuriken, so I made a dummy unit cast the kunai so that the command id's wouldn't conflict. Hence, kunai and burning shuriken don't stack and occasionally, you'll get a free shot with the kunai (as you mentioned). If you have any better ideas of how to fix the kunai, I would love to hear them

 

[SasuhKun]

So, do you have any ideas on the next upgrade/version?

 

[Baintastic]

So, do you have any ideas on the next upgrade/version?

Yes I do assassins current changelog

 

[Leak-]

Why is it when you pick the Tauren Cheiftain, you only start with 5 ability points?

 

[Baintastic]

Why is it when you pick the Tauren Cheiftain, you only start with 5 ability points?

The number of ability points you start with and gain per level is dependent on your unit's intelligence.

 

[88WaRCraFT3]

Man i love this map so much, it's great 5/5 i'll give you +rep too cause good project has to be rewarded no more to say

 

[Shadow293903]

Please make it so Flaming Shuriken/Kunai stack, i love hitting people with damage over time abilities then going off to find someone else, then getting a kill message 5 seconds later

 

[Sk_Noob]

good game

 

[Shadow293903]

AI NEEDS BUYS ITEMS!!!!!!1!11!1!!!oneone one!@!!!12

Even if they all get the same items in the same order, it will be better than it is now.

 

[Crayons]

dear Bain,
This is an awesome map. I like how you made it an action game, without removing the default Warcraft types of killing and stuff. Although there are some imperfections. Like the flying height of the Crow form of the druid. It's like he is just swimming on the ground. Also, the names of the Rifleman. Adora Nightshade? Lol. please change the names of the Banshee, the Necromancer, and the Stone Giant. And with the AI. Please at least get them to buy and use their special skills and buy other items other than potions.
Sincerely,
Jeyu

 

[Shadow293903]

Like the flying height of the Crow form of the druid. It's like he is just swimming on the ground.

Forgot to mention that, but yeah, when you go through trees its just doesn't make sense.

 

[Leak-]

Any update planned for the near future?

 

[Baintastic]

Yes, all of those things need to be fixed.
I haven't really been working on the map lately though.
I'm not sure when I'll get the inspiration to release a new version.
There aren't as many people playing wc3 as there used to be.

 

[Dogzo]

Yes, all of those things need to be fixed.
I haven't really been working on the map lately though.
I'm not sure when I'll get the inspiration to release a new version.
There aren't as many people playing wc3 as there used to be.

yes, thats true , more users come ,but even more users quit wc3 and go to cod and other, clearly soon hive will be a sc2 page... to sad...

 

[Baintastic]

yes, thats true , more users come ,but even more users quit wc3 and go to cod and other, clearly soon hive will be a sc2 page... to sad...

yeah... bummer. cod is mind-numbing nonsense. maybe they'll come out with Warcraft IV (I mean, Blizzard has already cycled through all their other titles) and maybe they'll have a way to import old maps and work on them. that would be awesome.

 

[Dogzo]

yeah... bummer. cod is mind-numbing nonsense. maybe they'll come out with Warcraft IV (I mean, Blizzard has already cycled through all their other titles) and maybe they'll have a way to import old maps and work on them. that would be awesome.

i think i will regreat 5 months waste of world editor ... ihope blizzard one day saves the day.
and also , i said more users come to wc3?, well thats about a few, since some of them are idiots ho get banned on hive....

 

[Crayons]

warcraft 4 sounds farfetched to me. If it's 4, then it'll have to be 500 years in the future or so. Just like what fable did.

No more conflict probably

Waiting for your update bain

 

[Snowcrystal]

Hi, i'm a fan of this map and can't wait longer for the new release
I like many things about this map : the action, system of buying spells, the terrain, spells, and a lot more But there are some things that are needed to be changed :

-Sometimes when i cast Kunai it hits the enemy hero but technically spell isn't used (no mana used and no cooldown so i can use it second time, example - i casted kunai on enemy and he went in fog - kunai hitted and bug occured)
-AI buying only potions t.t it's hard to complete 12 players so AI is needed. IT would be nice if AI was buying some boots and stat items (int item for int hero etc)and also their unique ability AI would get less weaker late game.
-AI sux at chasing low hp heros - bots only use skills (ex shuriken) when they get damaged, so they are only plain chasing the red hp enemy hero and eventually retreating...
-Some minor bugs - Rifleman get random Priestess of the moon names, Banshee too gets wrong hero name, also flying crow animation is irritating when he "runs" through cliff or trees
-Crypt Lord aka Nerub unique spell is imbalanced... me and friend are chasing him, he is low hp, then he uses sand trap which fully heals him and double kills us...
-Nest of bees costs too much - it's hard to aim and not much damage is dealed. Only good things about it are long range and the knockback thingie... It needs to be buffed and set less expensive in my opinion
-Cicada technique needs concentration time !! It's too easy to escape with this skill
-Undead Arthas aka Abaddon unique spell does not work proper - often the abonimation does not consume the enemy hero and just stands still...
-There's a bug with passive skill's - you can buy more than 2 of them.
-Upgrading unique spells would be nice A lot of them gets weaker during late game example is human archer Volley. Late game lots of people get shadow decoy and 80 % of arrows is hitting illusions ...
-Also max limit of kills is 60, i suppose changing it to 100

Hope you read it, and can't wait for the new release !!!

 

[Baintastic]

Hi Snowcrystal. Thanks for playing!
It might be a bit before there is a new version; I'm a pretty busy guy at the moment (just got engaged this past weekend).

Anyway, here is my response to your requests / bug report.

Responses to Snowcrystal

-Sometimes when i cast Kunai it hits the enemy hero but technically spell isn't used (no mana used and no cooldown so i can use it second time, example - i casted kunai on enemy and he went in fog - kunai hitted and bug occured)

I am aware of this bug. It is explained further up on this page I think.

-AI buying only potions t.t it's hard to complete 12 players so AI is needed. IT would be nice if AI was buying some boots and stat items (int item for int hero etc)and also their unique ability AI would get less weaker late game.

This would be a good thing to add. I agree.

-AI sux at chasing low hp heros - bots only use skills (ex shuriken) when they get damaged, so they are only plain chasing the red hp enemy hero and eventually retreating...

Good point. AI does need to be revamped.

-Some minor bugs - Rifleman get random Priestess of the moon names, Banshee too gets wrong hero name, also flying crow animation is irritating when he "runs" through cliff or trees

Lol. Yes, yes, and yes.

-Crypt Lord aka Nerub unique spell is imbalanced... me and friend are chasing him, he is low hp, then he uses sand trap which fully heals him and double kills us...

He doesn't actually get full health. He turns into an invisible unit that has a lot less (but full) health. Once he releases the sand trap, he turns back into the Crypt Lord with his original amount of health. To beat this ult:

1. remember, the Sand Trap actually takes 5 seconds to release.
2. use some method of showing invisible units to quickly destroy the underground avatar; he will turn back into the Crypt Lord
3. the release of the Sand Trap requires Concentration, meaning if you hit the Crypt Lord with Kunai or Burning Shuriken, he will be stuck underground for the duration of the spell + concentration time.

-Nest of bees costs too much - it's hard to aim and not much damage is dealed. Only good things about it are long range and the knockback thingie... It needs to be buffed and set less expensive in my opinion

Keep in mind that, in Assassins, a unit takes damage proportional to its knockback speed when it hits a wall or another unit (signified by a bloody explosion). Nest of Bees does significant damage if you use it on someone who is cornered because this knockback damage is applied constantly. All of the spells in the orange book are intended to only be good when used correctly.

-Cicada technique needs concentration time !! It's too easy to escape with this skill

Cicada has a 1 second window from when the animation shows to when the unit actually teleports. Any disarming spell used during this 1 second will prevent the spell from working.

-Undead Arthas aka Abaddon unique spell does not work proper - often the abonimation does not consume the enemy hero and just stands still...

This spell is only intended to work if the target is stationary. Try using Bolas or Shuriken on the unit before Feast.

-There's a bug with passive skill's - you can buy more than 2 of them.

This is not a bug. This is a feature added in version 4.0 with the introduction of the 4th book. Since the passive abilities no longer take up ability slots, I made it possible for heroes to buy all of them.

-Upgrading unique spells would be nice A lot of them gets weaker during late game example is human archer Volley. Late game lots of people get shadow decoy and 80 % of arrows is hitting illusions ...

Yes, this is already on the list. See Changelog

-Also max limit of kills is 60, i suppose changing it to 100

Agreed, there have been many requests to bump this up. I had removed it at one point, but I was getting complaints that people were setting it too high on bnet.

 

[Snowcrystal]

remember, the Sand Trap actually takes 5 seconds to release.

Yea that's also in the tooltip... But technically you can unleash the spell immediately after you have burrowed underground...

the release of the Sand Trap requires Concentration, meaning if you hit the Crypt Lord with Kunai or Burning Shuriken, he will be stuck underground for the duration of the spell + concentration time.

I tested it, no concentration time is needed.

This spell costs 0 mana, low cooldown, makes invisible, can go through cliffs and deals massive aoe damage and stun. Something's wrong with it really

I checked also burning shuriken - in learning tooltip there is said that skill should last 20 s. When skilled it, tooltip says 30 s. Which is correct ?

 

[Eldubs]

I am back in the WC3 business

Il dl and play this nao!

 

[Baintastic]

Yea that's also in the tooltip... But technically you can unleash the spell immediately after you have burrowed underground...


I tested it, no concentration time is needed.

This spell costs 0 mana, low cooldown, makes invisible, can go through cliffs and deals massive aoe damage and stun. Something's wrong with it really

I checked also burning shuriken - in learning tooltip there is said that skill should last 20 s. When skilled it, tooltip says 30 s. Which is correct ?

Interesting
I'll have to look into that. I know the concentration used to work for that ability, but it's possible that it doesn't now. Also, I realized after I typed the first reply that in v4.0 the ability removes all negative buffs when it's casted. I should probably change it back.

Also, I'll check on that tooltip as well

EDIT: also! this map needs 3 more ratings to be ranked in the map browser on the hive! so please give ratings!

 

[Dogzo]

played it agian , i love your map , you shud really add ai the buy system of items

 

[Baintastic]

I'll be sure to add that in the next one. It shouldn't be too difficult

 

[Dogzo]

have you any ideas making a new map?

 

[Baintastic]

have you any ideas making a new map?

do you mean a new map altogether or the next version of Assassins?
Future Assassins Changelog

 

[Dogzo]

you need to login to google mail to see this change log, yes?

 

[Baintastic]

No, it's a published Google Document. You should be able to view it without being logged in or even owning a Gmail account.

 

[Dogzo]

i just get to the login sceren ,and a button " try google doc now " what should i do?

 

[Baintastic]

lame... here, I'll just post the ideas.

Assassins Future Changelog (to-date):

• BUG FIXES:
  • Game #270 lich got glitched when ulted by death knight, and he couldn't move and we couldn't even see him
  • Fix weather - rain doesn't seem to work properly in non-single-player games
  • Mountain Giant Unique makes creeps run away
  • Tauren Chieftain Unique doesn't always make targets move
  • team doesn't earn money and exp after scoring
  • player can hold onto the flag and delay the game (make a friendly attack cause the player to drop the flag)
  • images should not be able to score with the flag
  • I got the frost attack sapphire item on the Tauren Chieftain, but it wasn't working.
  • try to fix the window where players can die while purchasing the first level of their spells.
  • fix concentration for Sand Trap
  • align learn and ability tooltips for Burning Shuriken
  • buckshot can now upgrade.
• GAMEPLAY:
  • Items:
    • Make more "super" items like the crossbow
    • Put a time limit on mines (or knockback!)
    • Limit the number of Amethysts that can be carried
    • Add tooltips for the active item abilities
    • Decrease mana cost for forked lightning
    • Add item that reduces respawn time
    • Combined items should have better stats
    • Some sort of guide for the item tree
    • New item: Eye of Sargeras
      • Monocle + Sentry Wards
      • Provide Extends your vision at night + place ward(count down: 2 min)
  • Abilities:
    • Give all uniques 3 levels
    • Increase the range of thunderclap and reduce AP cost
    • maybe decrease the AP cost of Tempest by 1, and from Bolas by 3
    • reduce manacost of chameleon. make it not change unit's colors
    • Increase manacost of Kunai
    • Nerf Sand Trap
  • Heroes:
    • Rebalance all heroes with the excel sheet
  • Game Modes:
    • Provide a way around the kill limits
    • make -hm reassign leaving target
  • Miscellaneous:
    • Add runes
      • money (20 x level)
      • mariokart-style lightning
      • low gravity
      • no friction
      • grow
    • Improve AI (make them purchase items)
    • Reduce agro range of creeps
    • put an maximum on respawn time