Anyone miss pre-WoW Warcraft?

[A Void]

Everything was a lot simpler back then, no time traveling, no pandaria islands, no flying chinese dragons or weird intergalactic aliens.

 

[Deleted member 219079]

Haven't played WoW, I see the universe as it is in WC3.

Try replaying the WC3 campaign, maybe you'll remember pre-WoW WC.

 

[Stefan.K]

Haven't played WoW, I see the universe as it is in WC3.

Try replaying the WC3 campaign, maybe you'll remember pre-WoW WC.

Same!

 

[A Void]

I'm talking about lore in general, ignoring WoW won't help. Everything was so much better in War3/TFT days.

 

[GhostThruster]

yeah things were simpler. wc3's story IMO was also the richest in terms of characters/emotions, and felt like it had the greatest stakes/tension.

in retrospect though, warcraft's lore has never been that amazing, being a mess of borrowed ideas, cardboard archetypes and lazy retcons.
which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it's always been the case that the story was an excuse to make great games, rather than the games being vehicles to tell a compelling story.

 

[Shar Dundred]

Fuck WoW and the shit it had caused to WarCraft lore.
I also blame that abomination for everything in WarCraft 3 I don't like.
I.e. Forsaken. Only created so that you can implement Undead into WoW as a playable faction more easily.

 

[Championfighter25]

Yes, way too much actually. Wacraft 1 and 2 were very simple, just a war between orcs and humans. Yet it was awesome. Still wish Blizzard made a remake where we can play as each Alliance and Horde member's kingdom/clan, but sadly that will never happen.

Warcraft 3 really took the story of 1 and 2 to a whole new level. Some of it good, other parts had potential, but were ruined by WOW. Why didn't Blizzard just continue making warcraft 3 expansions or just made 4 i will never know.

Spoiler: My biggest gripes with the lore in WOW :

1. Made Illidan a villain in TBC,he was always an anti hero, why did you ruin him that brutally? And then in legion it was revealed were idiots from killing him. You know blizzard i have this ingenious idea. Why don't you make the old gods good, i mean what if they manipulate people for the better of the world, and then make the titans evil and then reveal the burning legion's only goal was to destroy Azeroth so they cannot let the old gods be free to stop them? I mean after the pandas you can make anything you want! DO IT!
2.The ''there must always be a Lich King'' thing. You know the scourge was completely collapsing without a Lich King and we are supposed to believe they can pose a threat without him?
3. Pandas! Enough said
4.The entire WOD expansion could have been avoided if it wasn't for everyone listening to those stupid pandas and killed Garrosh on the spot.
5.Re-writing the entire war of the ancient trilogy. Lol someone must have hated Richard A. Knaak a lot to just say his writing doesn't matter and that it's not cannon. We don't care it's 3 books, we need the money!

 

[Deleted member 219079]

ignoring WoW won't help

Neither did I advice to do so.

 

[Duke]

I agree, I especially dislike the two big factions divison, I understand it was needed for game purposes but it sucks

 

[PurgeandFire]

yeah. At this point I still play WoW, but I only follow bits of the story. It's gotten way too convoluted for my liking, and it tries to place your character on such a big pedestal in the fate of the world. After Wrath, I thought there was still a way that the lore could be salvaged and things would feel cohesive--but Cata onwards, I sorta gave up on that hope. There are still some cool nods in the game that I appreciate, but it feels like a different story/world than Warcraft 3.

 

[Kaijyuu]

The trend I've noticed is that people lose interest in warcraft's story 2 games/expansions since they got into it.

Those who joined with Orcs and Humans were a bit cheesed by wc3 (all this "light" nonsense instead of the original pretty blatant christianity, demons being retconned into the controlling the horde all along, etc).
Those who joined with wc2 were a bit cheesed by WoW vanilla (lots of reshaping the world and diminishing/ignoring/forgetting wc2 characters).
Those who joined with wc3 were a bit cheesed by Burning Crusade (space goat retcon, space castles, etc).
Those who joined with vanilla WoW were a bit cheesed by Wrath of the Lich King ("must always be a lich king" retcon, bolvar's frankly odd character arc, etc)

And so on. Personally I played wc2 as a kid but didn't really get "into it" until wc3, so I disliked BC.

 

[A]mun]

At this stage it seems that only fanboys and post burning crusade players, are liking the roads blizzard took.
Totally lost all interest in WoW (maybe vanilla servers, sometimes) and since Wc4 doesn't seem likely at all (and would we like it?), i'm happy with wc3 - that is if they keep dishing out patches.

All things considered, a bold development team could potentially capitalize on the lack of high-fantasy rts titles these days.

 

[KeK.]

yeah. At this point I still play WoW, but I only follow bits of the story. It's gotten way too convoluted for my liking, and it tries to place your character on such a big pedestal in the fate of the world. After Wrath, I thought there was still a way that the lore could be salvaged and things would feel cohesive--but Cata onwards, I sorta gave up on that hope. There are still some cool nods in the game that I appreciate, but it feels like a different story/world than Warcraft 3.

Story convolution is the reason Warcraft (WOW) has lost its way. I played WoW during vanilla and burning crusade but reviewing the plots of the newer expansions (Pandaria, draenor, cataclysm) is a little disgusting frankly. Inserting pandas that were added as a joke/easter egg as serious characters, elaborate time travel plots, etc. It just gets ruined with all that noise and cliche.