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[Wazzz]

Well, in that case, we might as well come up with something to talk about xD
How about... what races we would like to see in Warcraft? Well, as I know at least a couple of people will say the Naga, we might as well say what we'd like to see in the race after choosing one in particular. We probably shouldn't go with Naga, the Naga have been done to death :S

I would like to see, for instance, the Mag'har race. I have no ideas about how they should go, so am wondering what anyone else has anything to say about them.

 

[Tleno]

I would like dwarves and humans to be separate races...

 

[Misha]

I say we invite FrIkY

 

[AIagremm]

I would like mag'har too. Too bad that FrIkY stopped making their skins.
I would also like to see draenei, highborne(+high elf) and Old God(faceless one + slime and stuff)races. Maybe some more races.

 

[Wazzz]

Draenei would be awesome indeed . How would we go about doing them, though? Would they have a portal system? xD

 

[Chaos.]

@Wazzz-naga have been done to death by noobs. Just wait till you see my 4 naga races. They will uber pwn.

Lol, maybe someday ill actually finish my draenei race.

 

[AIagremm]

I hope. But I dont like the draenei buildings you use(I know they are the only ones that exist). They are too... naaru-ish. And exodarish.
If I will learn to make balanced races, and learn a little more about mapmaking, I will try to make a draenei race that looks like a real one.

 

[Wazzz]

That would be cool
Well, there's many of us here who can help you out in the area of balancing and such

 

[AIagremm]

Again -.-'
People! Stop sleeping!

 

[Wazzz]

I wasn't sleeping, I was just touching myself inappropriately.

 

[Chaos.]

To much information wazzz. Way to much information.

Well if anybody wants a race project to do Misha and I have some.

 

[Misha]

indeed, my elems x3

 

[Wazzz]

So, let me get this straight. We don't have anything more to talk about? Come on, people, at least try to keep this group going

 

[Tleno]

Yes, thats important... we don't want it to be...

Hey, did anyone ever tough about making modern warfare thing race?

 

[AIagremm]

I once thought about Warcraft after 2'000 thousand years.
I imagined their races(night elves and others)and technology, and saw that they look like races from RF Online.
Night elves - Cora
Humans - Bellato
Dwarves and gnomes - Those robot dudes

 

[Misha]

lolwhut?

 

[Tleno]

Oh yes, I know RF Online... But I think it would be more like Warhammer 40k + Starcraft.

 

[AIagremm]

Its just that Cora have physical and some of architectual-living style similaries.
Gnomes and dwarves like mechanics so they could become totally robotic.
And humans and high elves(blood elves)would get completely mixed, and progress in technology, resulting bellato.
Secrets of the fututre unwrapped.

 

[Wazzz]

And Undead would become... something xD
Hm... that's interesting, what would the Undead become?
Could become the 'alien' race, only not so alien as they are from the same planet, but more of the infection-style race

 

[Tleno]

No, they would become kinda like necrons from Warhammer 40k.
And Nagas would fly away to the nice watery planet and would be some kinda like aliens. Serpent aliens. Maybe they would evolve a little...

And gnolls would become galactic mercenaries ^^

Misha, have you ever tough about making space marine naga?

 

[AIagremm]

They would have evolved into the plague itself, and create a new force... the Undead (Scourge) Swarm!
And come from planet to planet destroying everyone.
Draenei would become Jedi!
Cult of the Damned would become something like Necromungers(I dont know how their spelled)from Riddic 2.

 

[AIagremm]

And trolls would become... trolls.
Just with new technologies, that are old in the future.
Orcs... some mercenaries, some not.
Demons, will continue their demonic stuff, only more technological(or not).
Thinking of future Warcraft, it should be Star Wars styled.
Thats better.

 

[Misha]

tleno.. do you read minds? Ouo

although my idea was a protoss naga

 

[Interceptor]

Zzz...
I told you to send me PM-s about your requests for me! I was totally lost in oblivion lol.

We should really start thinking about doing something together. Because otherwise we either lose motivation, sleep, forget, etc, etc.

 

[Misha]

interceptor is right, we should focus on makin one of our pending projects a reality.




........and since i'm an ass I suggest elementals >=D

 

[VeljkoM]

Faceless race with AI

Since we are making races I thought "Hey why not also AI?".
And yes it isn't my race and AI is at experimental phase so don't expect an insane AI.All credits for race go to Wazzz.
AI is able to use all units and their abilities (gladiators are jumping like crazy), can create expansion towns...

Bugs:Hero doesn't use healing spell (maybe because it isn't very effecting, only 20hp in 10 seconds)
Comp doesn't use teleport (well not like he should)
Report any more if you find them ok?

And it looks like even the all mighty narwhals won't bring Interceptor back .

 

[Chaos.]

I vote to add VeljkoM to the major member list.

 

[Misha]

by all means

 

[VeljkoM]

I am honored by your proposal.

 

[Interceptor]

I agree, too. He would be added.

 

[Wazzz]

Awesome, he certainly deserves it
So, how's everyone's projects going ATM?

 

[Misha]

mine got some life back x3

 

[Interceptor]

Just starting to reanimate them. All that school sucked my life, so now when I have finished it, I'll dedicate to WE once again.

 

[VeljkoM]

I also need to finish my race for Campaign.Gnoll for instance.

 

[AIagremm]

I agree, VeljkoM needs to be a major member!
Interceptor, great that your coming back.

 

[VeljkoM]

I use AI editor.I still didn't master it but computer still can pose treat.
But why convert all GUI to JASS?

 

[Michael Peppers]

After converting (and cleaning the code, of course) a couple of obnoxious triggers the lag at the beginning of my map almost disappeared, so I continue on that way

I use AI Editor too, but I hate all that wait time when you change a single damned thing, so I don't make AI that much...

Here's an example of how do I use it, it's not a great method but gives decent results.

Who knows, you may discover some tricks by reading that, but almost surely not

 

[VeljkoM]

Those tutorials don't really help.I actually study other AI to understand it.Of course I don't copy it.The problem with AI editor is that computer tends to build everything in same other.Like if can make higher tier he would first wait to make first units.Also the reall races need more then one AI so computer wouldn't use same patern.

 

[Michael Peppers]

...who are you again?

To return on-topic, my AI always tries to help the allies early in the game, even if their troops are far away and between the two points there are a ton of creeps.

In the latter phases, they just don't care about allies anymore.

That's twice as disturbing and I never managed to solve these issues...

 

[VeljkoM]

Well maybe with conditions.Also the problem is that once hero is dead units run away and because hero always use drain energy he was easily killed by a human (Non AI) player.

But he did surprised me when he used Portal to quickly get away from computers mini base.Ironic thing was that orc AI followed him to his base with Taurens and wyverns.

About attacking I had problem that AI tried to "swim" to the gold mine and because of that stop in progression.And he ignored small creeps and attacked goldmine first (that is normal for AI in Boot bay map).But he seems to drag him self when he attacks real enemy.But eventually does it.

 

[Michael Peppers]

If the only bugs are these, then it must be a fairly good work

Orc AI is great

Are you telling me that your AI didn't try to buy a Goblin Zeppelin first, or they don't know how to use it? That's weird... reminds me of that Blizzard AI from the Undead campaign map in Quel'Thalas with the portals and that key divided into three parts...
That AI had the same problem as yours...

 

[Interceptor]

Shall I make a discussion for AI?

 

[VeljkoM]

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/pastebin.php?id=jzqy6g
Here it is.Maybe you will also find I some bugs I didn't noticed.I am not sure if you will learn much.

 

[Wazzz]

Alagremm's a Turkey? That would explain a lot...

Well, if you're looking for top-quality AI, you should definitely check out the AMAI. I'm not sure if you're able to see the conditions and such behind it all (you may be able to once installing it into a map), but it's such freakin' good AI, really tough to beat. Check it out:
Advance Melee AI
AMAI v2.53

Not sure which one is which, when I used it there was only 1 to choose from xD
Anyway, happy hunting

 

[Interceptor]

Pending members: Asteroth, AntoMarc, Warchief_Grom, -Sh0ck3r-, The_Grapist, GGwarcraft, DarkFrog, StormWarriors2, Flegma, syltman

Note: some of them have been mentioned before!

 

[Misha]

Warchief Grom? well.... he kinda does something but i'm unsure...

i put that on vote, because i like the guy

 

[VeljkoM]

I kinda don't know any of them. Most seem like people who are trying to fit in. If any of them show any sign of race creation or at least the fact that they will be active I'll vote for him.

 

[Michael Peppers]

And if someone of us sends a PM to these guys saying
"let us see some example of your race-creating work in one of these things:
- Races
- Races techtrees
- UI
- Sounds
(I'd add "- Models")"

(Yes, the list has been blatantly stolen from the main page )

Well, I know that I can't vote, but it would be nice to see if someone among them is proficient enough...

(or they did send some examples?)

 

[AIagremm]

People, if my project will start our group will have much work to do.
We will need to create 4 races, totally new abilities that will replace the normal WC3 ones. Oh, do any of you people know a programnmer that can make mods and stuff.
I know that some of you know how to make great AIs.

So if you can be of any help, go to http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/project-recruitment-256/warcraft-iii-fall-of-draenor-139106/#post1254121. Support the project! Support the Race Creators group.

 

[VeljkoM]

Listen everyone. Most of you probably knows this but thee is a Race making contest. For more information go to Arena forum here on Hive.