1.32.0.6 BETA NOTES

[MasterHaosis]

@MasterHaosis WARCRAFT III: REFORGED RELEASES ON JANUARY 28, 2020 (post #179)

Yes, but I heard that meanwhile they got little more red color as they are supposed to. Or I mistaken, those updated skins are in that link you posted already.
Doom Guard should use little stronger red shade as well.

 

[chopinski]

290 MB update just hit!

 

[MasterBlaster]

290 MB update just hit!

It's probably just a hotfix for a couple of bugs.

 

[Venombite]

Yes, but I heard that meanwhile they got little more red color as they are supposed to. Or I mistaken, those updated skins are in that link you posted already.
Doom Guard should use little stronger red shade as well.

Just found this:

 

[MasterBlaster]

So... what did you guys want to see? Fel Orcs and Sentry/Spirit of Vengeance/Runner?



I've thrown in a Warden and an Archer - I think @Venombite disliked her stance previously, so here's the new version. I think it looks much better now.

Also, as a little bonus - Fel Orcs vs Night Elves

 

[aider]

They did something with the terrain right? The color, hue, saturation, contrast? It blends much better with the models now, less cheap and crispier details

 

[Venombite]

So... what did you guys want to see? Fel Orcs and Sentry/Spirit of Vengeance/Runner?

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I've thrown in a Warden and an Archer - I think @Venombite disliked her stance previously, so here's the new version. I think it looks much better now.

Also, as a little bonus - Fel Orcs vs Night Elves

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Thanks awesome screenshots! Thanks!
I'll give you rep in a few days. After rep for Pitlords, Eredar, Dreadlords xD

Yes, the Archer looks a million times better. She actually looks like an Archer and not like a troll nice.
All the night elves look awesome. The nicest detail I've notices is Archer having blue hair, Huntress green, Sentry purple, Warden dark blue, DoT light blue, DoC brown, all the night elf hair colors in WoW. Nice detail.
Though, does Shandris have no hero glow?

Another thing I noticed

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Tavern Dark Ranger and Sylvanas have different animations?

Also can you check does the female Satyr have an animation where she plays her mouth organ? Like on her concept art:

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[MasterBlaster]

Tavern Dark Ranger and Sylvanas have different animations?

Yes, they do.

Also can you check does the female Satyr have an animation where she plays her mouth organ?

No, she doesn't.

 

[Shar Dundred]

Can the pre-order skins be used in the editor as single models or are they limited to normal melee?

 

[YourArthas]

Can the pre-order skins be used in the editor as single models or are they limited to normal melee?

You can use them in editor as you wish, just check their paths in cascviewer

 

[deepstrasz]

she plays her mouth organ

What!?

 

[Venombite]

What!?

What do you mean what?

 

[MasterBlaster]

Can the pre-order skins be used in the editor as single models or are they limited to normal melee?

You can use them - they're not assigned to any unit, but Reforged Editor has this feature where you can change the skin of any unit and you can easily find the pre-order skins there, i.e. for example apply the Jaina skin to an Archmage hero.

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The selected skin is the Jaina Archmage skin from Spoils of War Edition.

 

[deepstrasz]

What do you mean what?

Playing one's own mouth.

 

[Shar Dundred]

You can use them - they're not assigned to any unit, but Reforged Editor has this feature where you can change the skin of any unit and you can easily find the pre-order skins there, i.e. for example apply the Jaina skin to an Archmage hero.

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The selected skin is the Jaina Archmage skin from Spoils of War Edition.

Does this also change the soundset or how does that work?

 

[MasterBlaster]

Does this also change the soundset or how does that work?

Had to check that - yes, sadly it changes both the soundset and the icon, but the stats and the unit name stay the same. That said, if these skins are useable simply by clicking a few things inside the editor, there shouldn't be any issues in just checking the filepath in cascviewer like YourArthas said and using them to create custom units.

 

[deepstrasz]

@MasterBlaster can you find the model to put it on another unit?

 

[MasterHaosis]

Oh I like those Fel Orcs. They are more red this time.
Also, what is this with those purple leaves in Ashenvalle?

 

[MasterBlaster]

@MasterBlaster can you find the model to put it on another unit?

I don't understand the question.

 

[deepstrasz]

I don't understand the question.

Like you'd change the model for any unit in the unit editor on the field called model.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Like you'd change the model for any unit in the unit editor on the field called model.

I'm still not sure if I understand, but if you mean whether it's possible to find skin models in cascviewer and copy their file path to the model field in the object editor, I've actually checked that and the answer is - yes, it's possible. If you're asking whether skin models are available in the object editor UI - I didn't see them.

 

[YourArthas]

Like you'd change the model for any unit in the unit editor on the field called model.

You can do it , just check the paths , I don't remember them right now though something like units\orc\shamanthrall\shamantrall.mdx

 

[deepstrasz]

I'm still not sure if I understand, but if you mean

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You can do it , just check the paths , I don't remember them right now though something like units\orc\shamanthrall\shamantrall.mdx

Ooooh, they're hidden. You have to use known paths like with hidden stuff in the original/Classic.

 

[MasterBlaster]

If you're asking whether skin models are available in the object editor UI - I didn't see them.

Already answered I haven't seen them, so unless I am blind or something, they're probably not there.

 

[Venombite]

@MasterBlaster do default male Demon Hunter (*cough*Illidan*cough*) and a female version have the same animation? Same question for Death Knights?

Also can you give me a screenshot of a Headhunter next to a Berserker, both in red. Seems like I'll be giving you rep every day till the 28th of January xD
And can you also show me three infernal maschine creeps, in green? The only Demons I haven't seen yet.

 

[MasterHaosis]

Thats stupid what they did with male/female versions. Complications for absolutely no reason. They should ask community first regarding it, then implement it. Not first implement then listening people after it is done.

 

[PrinceOfThaWest]

Are they planning to add "Single Player" or whatever of that sort at all? All I see when I hop into the game are "Custom Games" and "Versus", both of which are meant for online play. I am more of a single player Warcraft RTS player myself, and often do enjoy playing custom campaigns, single player RPG maps and what not.

From what I can see here, they intend us to have internet connection at all times and we are screwed otherwise. I recall Warcraft III being a good time killer when internet runs out or something unexpected happens, there was always something to do. If this remains in current state, apparently I'll be forced to eat my nails until internet comes back on and not count on this game any more in such cases.

 

[Shar Dundred]

I expect it to be like in StarCraft II where you can play offline but it will always try to connect
first.
And singleplayer is likely to come in the full version I'd guess.

 

[PrinceOfThaWest]

I expect it to be like in StarCraft II where you can play offline but it will always try to connect
first.
And singleplayer is likely to come in the full version I'd guess.

Hopefully, looking forward to them implementing that. It'd be an awesome feature to have.

 

[MasterHaosis]

@Shar Dundred hey. but I managed to exhaust those GameMasters hahahaha! You know, asking some questions regarding game... its a bit too much for them

 

[MasterBlaster]

@MasterBlaster do default male Demon Hunter (*cough*Illidan*cough*) and a female version have the same animation? Same question for Death Knights?

Yes and no. Some animations are the same or very similar, some are a bit different.



P.S. A little bonus Disagree all you want, but I think them big dragons look very cool in game

 

[Power107]

Why they dont copy all the grass, trees and lighting from sc2? It will look much better than what it looks right now.
Also, an open source RTS called 0 AD has better optimisations and graphics than this Reforged. If Reforged looks like this on release day then Blizzard should be ashamed. It looks even more worse than classic at this point.
MORE IMPORTANT POINT: LOW BUDGET IS NOT AN EXCUSE AS DEVS OF "0 AD" HAD LOW BUDGET TOO
Edit:
Heres a screenshot of 0 AD, looks better than Reforged and both games have low budget...

 

[Augustus]

Copy the grass? So people can call Blizzard lazy?

I like it but it doesn't look like Warcraft at all. I wouldn't want Reforged to look like that. Besides, I already like the new graphics.

 

[Power107]

Copy the grass? So people can call Blizzard lazy?

I like it but it doesn't look like Warcraft at all. I wouldn't want Reforged to look like that. Besides, I already like the new graphics.

Thats great if you like the new graphics but unfortuately me and many others dont. Blizz needs to make the graphics less divisive and if they cant then I bet just like Westwood Studios they will be no more.

 

[Augustus]

Thats great if you like the new graphics but unfortuately me and many others dont. Blizz needs to make the graphics less divisive and if they cant then I bet just like Westwood Studios they will be no more.

Yeah and myself and many others like them. I don't see the problem with the graphics. What exactly don't you like about them?

 

[Power107]

Yeah and myself and many others like them. I don't see the problem with the graphics. What exactly don't you like about them?

They do not have consistency in artstyle as the cartoony terrain/trees and realistic unit models do not look good together. If they want hybrid-realism and cartoony style then Sc2 does that perfectly but the way they are doing this with Reforged is not hot for me. Unlike me you are very lucky if you like the artstyle.

 

[Augustus]

They do not have consistency in artstyle as the cartoony terrain/trees and realistic unit models do not look good together. If they want hybrid-realism and cartoony style then Sc2 does that perfectly but the way they are doing this with Reforged is not hot for me. Unlike me you are very lucky if you like the artstyle.

I don't think the units are realistic at all. They are more believable than what you see in a game like modern WOW but they don't look realistic to me at all. Can you show me which units look realistic to you?

 

[Power107]

I don't think the units are realistic at all. They are more believable than what you see in a game like modern WOW but they don't look realistic to me at all. Can you show me which units look realistic to you?

For example his footman has realistic metals and there are many more units like that in game.

 

[Augustus]

For example his footman has realistic metals and there are many more units like that in game.

The HUMANS should be more realistic and they are but that is not realistic armor. It LOOKS realistic but it's not. In real life those shoulders would weigh a lot and would prevent peripheral view, the shield would be too heavy and the sword would not cut anything. Now, there's nothing wrong with that as that's the Warcraft style but it's not realistic. It's as close to reality as Warcraft can be but not realistic and that's actually why it's my favorite Reforged unit. Everything about the armor is exaggerated. Not to the extent of some of the more outlandish units but exagerrated nonetheless. What you are saying is STYLIZED realism, which is different from actual realism.

You need to look at the whole game not just the humans. There is nothing realistic about the Fel Orcs for instance.

 

[deepstrasz]

but the way they are doing this with Reforged is not hot for me.

But are you hot for Reforged?

You need to look at the whole game not just the humans. There is nothing realistic about the Fel Orcs for instance.

All creatures have to be in tone with the overall vibe.

 

[Augustus]

@deepstrasz

It makes sense for the humans to be closer (but not identical) to reality. It's always been like this.

 

[deepstrasz]

It makes sense for the humans to be closer (but not identical) to reality. It's always been like this.

Makes sense?
Orcs are real? Of course you won't expect most of Warcraft stuff to be real.
That has nothing to do with humans looking more real than other creatures, artistically.

 

[Augustus]

Makes sense?
Orcs are real? Of course you won't expect most of Warcraft stuff to be real.
That has nothing to do with humans looking more real than other creatures, artistically.

They're not real, but they look believable. Like if a race evolved on a planet with extremely difficult conditions they would probably look like that.

 

[Power107]

BREAKING NEWS: REFORGED SYS REQS RELEASED
EDIT: heres the link:
Warcraft III Reforged System Requirements

 

[deepstrasz]

BREAKING NEWS: REFORGED SYS REQS RELEASED

"Below are the minimum system requirements for Warcraft III Reforged™ on Windows® and Mac®. Due to potential compatibility changes, the minimum system requirements may change over time."
Warcraft III Reforged System Requirements

 

[MasterBlaster]

In other news - Blizzard is posting articles about reforging graphics and their twitter page has a tweet that says "5 days until release" (or whatever). Combine that with the fact that they've finally posted the system requirements and it's apparent that any further delay is pretty much out of the question.

So yeah, for better or for worse - we will see what Reforged is all about in just a couple of days.

 

[Venombite]

So yeah, for better or for worse - we will see what Reforged is all about in just a couple of days.

Don't we kind already know that? I mean aside for what they've done with the Campaigns, pretty much everything else is known. Besides we're all pretty sure that there will be "an initial patching phase", when they're gonna release (bug fixing/optimisation) patches every few days, lasting roughly three weeks (it's what they do with all of their games, and pretty much every other company for that matter). Plus anyone who wanted to was able to buy and play the game for months now, apart from the Campaigns. So the release date doesn't really mean that much more than another content patch, that adds the Campaign, the game may look completely different in just three weeks.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Don't we kind already know that? I mean aside for what they've done with the Campaigns, pretty much everything else is known.

It depends - sometimes when a game comes out, there are some pretty significant changes or improvements compared to the beta version. The question here is if Reforged is one of those games or is the beta pretty much the full game minus campaigns, some bug fixes and maybe a couple of graphical improvements.

I for one think there will be something surprising in the final release, but maybe I'm just being naively optimistic.

 

[Augustus]

BREAKING NEWS: REFORGED SYS REQS RELEASED
EDIT: heres the link:
Warcraft III Reforged System Requirements

Seems about right. It works really well on my end but I only play 1v1 vs computer because I am really bad at competitive games. I play RTS games for the atmosphere and story. I had 60 FPS even when playing at full food capacity and in big battles. It ran well even before the performance patch.

I have an i5 2500k from 2011, a GTX 970 and 16 gigs of RAM.

It MIGHT run badly in 4v4 but I don't know because I haven't tried it. I only care about casual PVP and and especially campaign content and I don't really have a reason to think single player content will run badly.

 

[Power107]

I for one think there will be something surprising in the final release, but maybe I'm just being naively optimistic.

The system requirements prove that the release build will have 7 GB more content then the beta. This 7 GB can be either:
1) campaign maps + cinematics
2) improved terrain + shaders + all the content mentioned in point 1
What do you guys think will be the case? First scenario or second scenario?