1.24's effect on Maps and Spells

[Kwah]

i am to lazy now to go check all this GUI algorithms since i dont like GUI but i dont hate it as well.

Algorithms are not specific to the language/wrapper for language.

so what i am trying to say is this: both vJass and cJass are unreadable if they are in such a coder hands...

Well . . . duh.

Anyway, discussion is pointless here. It may have convinced me to steal vJass's algorithm and port it to teh GUIz, but I'm lazy so only a 50% chance I do anything.

 

[Lil_Scubby]

so will i be able to use UMSWE GUI or is that considered a 3rd party

 

[Kwah]

That would be a 3rd party program.

 

[Deuterium]

No 3rd party programs are allowed to be for GUI.

 

[Weep]

I'll give it a shot when I'm on OS X later (I dual boot, need windows for work), but I wouldn't be surprised if that is primarily due to the patch being beta and not official yet (and thus they didn't bother to implement mac support).

Thanks PurplePoot...have you had a chance to check it out yet?

 

[Anachron]

Poot clearly said that indexing which just increases is not alowed! this ones which decrease are ofc allowed.

Never seen a system that actually does that, and all (v)JASS Systems recycle, don't they?

 

[Deuterium]

We're talking about GUI here... that applies to Jass too, but since now there's vJass, then no one would worry.

 

[PurplePoot]

Never seen a system that actually does that, and all (v)JASS Systems recycle, don't they?

Some GUI "systems" just populate a massive array which they count up in and then go back to 0 (well, 1) when they reach a certain size.

 

[Anachron]

Some GUI "systems" just populate a massive array which they count up in and then go back to 0 (well, 1) when they reach a certain size.

I have never, really never seen anything like this. This is not only crazy, its useless and .. I think you know it. Its buggy as hell. So I agree. Funny, I learn with every day, and if its just how stupid some guys program..

 

[D4RK_G4ND4LF]

I won't increase the size of my systems by 1 trigger per loop just because of some weird rules oO
nearly all PCs today have 1+ GB Ram so who cares about 1-2 Mb
every stupid virus scanner is taking up this to 50 times

however it is much more important to keep the filesize of the spell low as long as it still runs properly and does not flood the ram until eternity

I wont submit anything as long as I did not do any benchmarks about everything and I will continue spellmaking using the better way not the newer one

and with that many new options it might be possible to hack wc3 again forcing blizzard to make a new patch fixing it and probably messing up all our spells again what would be retarded

well
lets see how things turn out and mess about it later
the thws ppl arn't stupid and will agree with the best solution

 

[Deuterium]

I won't increase the size of my systems by 1 trigger per loop just because of some weird rules oO
nearly all PCs today have 1+ GB Ram so who cares about 1-2 Mb
every stupid virus scanner is taking up this to 50 times

however it is much more important to keep the filesize of the spell low as long as it still runs properly and does not flood the ram until eternity

I wont submit anything as long as I did not do any benchmarks about everything and I will continue spellmaking using the better way not the newer one

and with that many new options it might be possible to hack wc3 again forcing blizzard to make a new patch fixing it and probably messing up all our spells again what would be retarded

well
lets see how things turn out and mess about it later
the thws ppl arn't stupid and will agree with the best solution

Whatever you said doesn't make sense and isn't related to anything we said at all

 

[Rmx]

Whatever you said doesn't make sense and isn't related to anything we said at all

Lol a silent flame ... well i think what he said is very interesting

 

[Deuterium]

Lol a silent flame ... well i think what he said is very interesting

Well how can it make sense?

I won't increase the size of my systems by 1 trigger per loop just because of some weird rules oO

Why would you increase the size of systems by 1 trigger per loop when there's indexing? (I can take a guess that he's talking about MUI).

however it is much more important to keep the filesize of the spell low as long as it still runs properly and does not flood the ram until eternity

How big could the filesize of a spell get? That wouldn't be much of an issue I guess....

I wont submit anything as long as I did not do any benchmarks about everything and I will continue spellmaking using the better way not the newer one

No rule prevents whatever better way of making spells, they simply prevent crappy indexing, non-MUI'ness, and buggy GUI.

the thws ppl arn't stupid and will agree with the best solution

As I can see, people seem to like the new spell rules which would basically and simply prohibit badly done spells. All well-done spells and the good spell-makers won't be affected in anyway.


So Rmx, do I make sense now?

 

[Rmx]

So Rmx, do I make sense now?

uhhh ok ok i was just having fun !

 

[Deuterium]

uhhh ok ok i was just having fun !

No comment

 

[Gothar_esp]

Does it affect to Arrays? I use gui, does it affect me?

 

[Deuterium]

Well the rules would affect array's in case their used for "populating indexes"... ie: indexing methods that does not recycle... that's about it.

 

[Eccho]

There are some new changes it seems, which I wasn't aware of.

Source: http://www.wc3c.net/showpost.php?p=1090901&postcount=280

And some things I've noticed so far:
- Added GetSpellTargetX and GetSpellTargetY
- HaveSavedX now works for all types
- Added the agent type and its hashtable natives
- Did NOT fix the return bug workaround
- Did NOT add code arrays

Possibly some more, but I haven't seen anything.

This is pretty old I know now (dont kill me for it)...

There is a SaveAgentHandle, which is a child of a handle
The handles which were ref-counted before, is now called agents.
Agents extends handles

 

[RiPiG]

OMG My JNGP doesn't work....! Duciplate Error!!!

 

[cHeRoL]

My triggers are not working.
I can't enable them.
What shall I do?