Warcraft III Alternate 0 (Prologue Campaign): Exodus of the Alliance

Ilya Alaric · May 22, 2021

guys... gimme one new nonreforged campaign, ONE, for that I do not need that damn 1.3.1!

DxrkCactus · May 22, 2021

That campaign is just.. weird.

Xetanth87 · May 22, 2021

Ilya Alaric said:
guys... gimme one new nonreforged campaign, ONE, for that I do not need that damn 1.3.1!

What do you mean? This is nonreforged.

DxrkCactus said:
That campaign is just.. weird.

It's meant to be that way.

Nicks · May 22, 2021

Ilya Alaric said:
guys... gimme one new nonreforged campaign, ONE, for that I do not need that damn 1.3.1!

When they re-add the removed custom campaign feature, more campaigns will be made for reforged

Xetanth87 · May 22, 2021

Nicks said:
When they re-add the removed custom campaign feature, more campaigns will be made for reforged

One reason I hope this happens is because the current patch 1.31 has a lot of bugs. Like the one on mission 5 that happens in the original mission as well. Another bug is the fact that AI don't obey the research upgrade orders so I have to give them the upgrades at the start or through some triggers. But right now I don't think Blizzard is doing anything with Warcraft III. The only thing they get from fixing Reforged is fan appreciation, money-wise it's not a good idea for them to put more money into fixing it.

Ilya Alaric · May 22, 2021

Xetanth87 said:
What do you mean? This is nonreforged.

Maybe it is my non good english, but context is this - I do not like reforged, and I like a classic warcraft 3. And I like wc3 custom campaigns. Problem is, that I have 1.26.1 version of wc3. And majority of campaigns in last times are either reforged or for 1.31!

Xetanth87 · May 22, 2021

Ilya Alaric said:
Maybe it is my non good english, but context is this - I do not like reforged, and I like a classic warcraft 3. And I like wc3 custom campaigns. Problem is, that I have 1.26.1 version of wc3. And majority of campaigns in last times are either reforged or for 1.31!

Simple: Copy Warcraft III to a different folder. Apply patch to the copy. Now you have both 1.26.1 and 1.31.

The latest patches have really good advantages like Widescreen, 12 more player slots, a couple of new abilities (Knight Upgrade, Undead Dagger), more possibilities for map features and since it is the last non-reforged version, it has become a standard.

Nicks · May 23, 2021

Chapter 2: "New unit available - Riflemen" but not able to train them in barracks?
Chapter 3: A captured priest says "My power belongs to the Horde" even though "Thrall" the archmage already mentioned the alliance a few times?

That is from the time when the Priest used to be a Shaman, I forgot to change the line. I won't be able to change it anytime soon.

Edit: you're correct, my mistake.

Xetanth87 · May 23, 2021

Nicks said:
Chapter 2: "New unit available - Riflemen" but not able to train them in barracks?

Headhunters can't be trained in the original until mission 5, so that's how it is with Riflemen.

Nicks said:
Chapter 3: A captured priest says "My power belongs to the Horde" even though "Thrall" the archmage already mentioned the alliance a few times?

That is from the time when the Priest used to be a Shaman, I forgot to change the line. I won't be able to change it anytime soon.

AeroHydro · May 23, 2021

Interesting.
C1: Oh, the disgusting undead disease
C4 - C5: AM + priest is so powerful than origin FS

Hoping for your next

Xetanth87 · May 23, 2021

edgar quispe said:
¿Por qué no lo haces en 1.27 porque de ninguna manera?

Google Translate said:
Why don't you do it at 1.27 because no way?

Please speak in English. Google Translation doesn't always make sense.
It is made for 1.31, like most modern maps and campaigns. You should update like I mentioned here:

Xetanth87 said:
Simple: Copy Warcraft III to a different folder. Apply patch to the copy. Now you have both 1.26.1 and 1.31.

The latest patches have really good advantages like Widescreen, 12 more player slots, a couple of new abilities (Knight Upgrade, Undead Dagger), more possibilities for map features and since it is the last non-reforged version, it has become a standard.

Xetanth87 · May 23, 2021

AeroHydro said:
Interesting.
C1: Oh, the disgusting undead disease
C4 - C5: AM + priest is so powerful than origin FS

Hoping for your next

~~Make sure to check out the Undead Campaign: Overgrowth of Lordaeron~~

Edit: Just realized you commented on that one too.

Xetanth87 · May 24, 2021

Hive upload was down, so the change log was updated while the update didn't actually get uploaded. The change log posted earlier now actually reflects the uploaded campaign.

Daffa · May 27, 2021

Xetanth87 · May 27, 2021

Daffa said:

I've seen it. You could have used Call to Arms to deal with the Necromancer. If you have any feedback, I'd be happy to hear it.

Deleted member 247165 · May 27, 2021

But this is exactly the original Exodus Campaign just with Humans instead of Orcs and Undead instead of Humans. Having an Archmage named Thrall and the Campaign exactly the same is just, idk, what's the point ? I mean no offense or anything, but what should be cool in this Campaign ? You could've instead reworked the vision of the prophet as well, changed the name of the main hero, and the story so on a bit. Even while freeing that Blood Mage is exactly how Thrall freed Grom. Forgive me, but it goes in awaiting update.

Xetanth87 · May 28, 2021

Alexen said:
But this is exactly the original Exodus Campaign just with Humans instead of Orcs and Undead instead of Humans. Having an Archmage named Thrall and the Campaign exactly the same is just, idk, what's the point ? I mean no offense or anything, but what should be cool in this Campaign ? You could've instead reworked the vision of the prophet as well, changed the name of the main hero, and the story so on a bit. Even while freeing that Blood Mage is exactly how Thrall freed Grom. Forgive me, but it goes in awaiting update.

Well. I've explained this in my other campaign as well. It's meant to be a way to replay the official campaigns, but with a twist. Similar race swap campaigns already exist for starcraft and starcraft II and they are quite popular. Also this is not the first campaign on Hive to be an edit of an existing one.

I chose to keep the names so the player won't be confused of who replaces who. The prophet is the only one who is kept the same. This campaign only has 5 missions so I can understand why it may feel like it isn't enough, but I plan on doing all the campaigns and as a whole I'd say the entire series would be worthy of an approval.

You should check out Brood War Alternate and see what my source of inspiration was. The original campaigns are great and this, like all other edits is meant to give a reason to replay them. Also there are people who enjoyed it and I enjoy both making and playing them and to me that's what matters.

Daffa · May 28, 2021

Xetanth87 said:
I've seen it. You could have used Call to Arms to deal with the Necromancer. If you have any feedback, I'd be happy to hear it.

The thought didn't cross my mind.

Alexen said:
But this is exactly the original Exodus Campaign just with Humans instead of Orcs and Undead instead of Humans. Having an Archmage named Thrall and the Campaign exactly the same is just, idk, what's the point ? I mean no offense or anything, but what should be cool in this Campaign ? You could've instead reworked the vision of the prophet as well, changed the name of the main hero, and the story so on a bit. Even while freeing that Blood Mage is exactly how Thrall freed Grom. Forgive me, but it goes in awaiting update.

I only have the first two chapters up for videos, which may look to give such an impression. A notable change would be the fourth and fifth in terms of gameplay aspects. The third one also changes a core tactic in gameplay by removing the fountain of health and instead gives you another hero.

I would personally consider this in line with TheSpoon's ideas, where instead of getting a 2P version, you get an alternate universe version. I just got the third mission up and started a playlist for this campaign here.

Xetanth87 · May 28, 2021

Daffa said:
The thought didn't cross my mind.

I only have the first two chapters up for videos, which may look to give such an impression. A notable change would be the fourth and fifth in terms of gameplay aspects. The third one also changes a core tactic in gameplay by removing the fountain of health and instead gives you another hero.

I would personally consider this in line with TheSpoon's ideas, where instead of getting a 2P version, you get an alternate universe version. I just got the third mission up and started a playlist for this campaign here.

Thank you! I hope people don't judge the book by its cover (for example the first 2 missions in your video). If you look at just the first 2 missions, I tried to make them more interesting, but there isn't much you can do with the tutorial missions. What I did is I made the creeps harder on mission one and made the enemies be upgraded and attack immediately on mission two. For the other 3 missions I tried to change more things like adding the ballista to the human techtree, changing the fountain and the enemy race and heroes of the last missions, getting Flying Machines instead of Witch Doctors, the arcane castle. The boss fight has a twist that I think is pretty cool and unexpected. If anyone's wondering why I chose the female Beastmaster it's because I wanted to differentiate the Beastmasters (the male one still has Stampede, but the female one has a different ultimate). Also, I tried to reimplement cut features and replicate their behaviors, like the Mountain King's original ultimate being "Create Gold Mine". Furthermore, I remade the opening cinematic, which I can say will get an update since it does need a couple of improvements.

I made the 2P work ~ Alternate work analogy myself. It takes roughly the same amount of work to convert a map to 2 players as it takes to change races. For example: for 2P you need to make sure cinematics work for both player, for Alternate you need to make sure the references to the old races and classes, as well as the abilities the heroes cast in cinematics are replaced.

After you finish this campaign, you should play the next campaign in the series, Overgrowth of Lordaeron (you can find it below this message). That one has more missions, so it has a lot more work put into it than this one.

Daffa · May 28, 2021

Xetanth87 said:
After you finish this campaign, you should play the next campaign in the series, Overgrowth of Lordaeron (you can find it below this message). That one has more missions, so it has a lot more work put into it than this one.

I have taken a look into the other one and have videos created for them. Just need time and connection to upload them.

DragonMax_HCM_ · May 29, 2021

I hope when you finish it, you can consider giving them new model and texturs so they don't get boring, sometimes new models are interesting too.

Xetanth87 · May 29, 2021

DragonMax_HCM_ said:
I hope when you finish it, you can consider giving them new model and texturs so they don't get boring, sometimes new models are interesting too.

They started with barely any custom models, but I updated the campaigns. Now there are a lot of custom assets. If you downloaded them when they were first posted, you might not have seen the new models. In the Night Elf campaign there will be a lot of custom models. Especially Arthas, Kel'Thuzad (both of which I made myself) and the High Elf and Orc replacements.

Resyak · Jun 21, 2021

All the ideas based on the alteration of the original story are usually interesting, although it is the same story, same maps, same development... I don't quite understand the main attraction of the project. I would encourage variations of the story, that is, you can use the original story and change races, characters, etc. But I would also like to see a story adapted to those changes. Maybe it's that I don't understand the concept.

Be that as it may, I always appreciate the content and appreciate the effort.

Regards.

Xetanth87 · Jun 21, 2021

Resyak said:
All the ideas based on the alteration of the original story are usually interesting, although it is the same story, same maps, same development... I don't quite understand the main attraction of the project. I would encourage variations of the story, that is, you can use the original story and change races, characters, etc. But I would also like to see a story adapted to those changes. Maybe it's that I don't understand the concept.

Be that as it may, I always appreciate the content and appreciate the effort.

Regards.

Well that's the point to be the same maps. I was inspired by Brood War Alternate and StarCraft II Race-Swapped Campaigns. In those campaigns, the maps are mostly the same, but you play with different races. It is not the first time someone has done something like this. And I thought of doing it for Warcraft III. The main attractions of this campaign:
1) Replay the vanilla campaigns, controlling and battling different races and heroes.
2) See who replaces who and how the story and gameplay is adapted.
3) Custom races like High Elves and Fel Orcs will have new Tech Trees to replace them, not only for you, but for the enemies as well.
4) Even though it's the same story and map layouts, the match-ups are new.

This campaign was made just for completion’s sake. I encourage you to give Overgrowth of Lordaeron a try. The upcoming Night Elf campaign will have a lot more interesting things, though the story will be the same.

Edit: Another way is to think of it like this: After playing a game, why would you play it again if you already know the story? For the gameplay and the nostalgia. This is just a way to reexperience the original campaigns with a fresh perspective.

Pai Mei · Jun 24, 2021

You have done a good job of substitution, the campaign is good because the original was already good. As for the changes you have implemented, they are fine but customization is missing. I mean that the skills and heroes are the same as in the original game, I would have liked to see some changes in the units beyond being able to build crossbows with humans.

I like this type of campaign because of the nostalgia, but I think it would be much better if new elements were implemented in the game.

fictionlover · Jul 23, 2021

Good job! I like this!

Deleted member 247165 · Jul 23, 2021

Improvements were made to this. It can be approved now.

Resyak · Jul 24, 2021

I just finished playing it right now. And the truth is, it is not my favorite content, I prefer new maps, characters and stories. BUT, I have spent many hours in WorldEditor and I know the work it takes to do something like this, for that reason I give 3/5.

Regards.

hani77 · Aug 9, 2021

hey gus. I`m sorry, but how can I play w3n? I put them in \Documents\Warcraft III\Campaigns. But don`t understand where i can find in game as it was berofre reforged. I have licensd version of wc3

Resyak · Aug 9, 2021

hani77 said:
hey gus. I`m sorry, but how can I play w3n? I put them in \Documents\Warcraft III\Campaigns. But don`t understand where i can find in game as it was berofre reforged. I have licensd version of wc3

You need the patch 1.31

Ravager16829 · Aug 10, 2021

hani77 said:
hey gus. I`m sorry, but how can I play w3n? I put them in \Documents\Warcraft III\Campaigns. But don`t understand where i can find in game as it was berofre reforged. I have licensd version of wc3

First off all, you should have Warcraft 3 1.31. You can download here or here (requires CD-Key).
Be warned, there are some bugs that's still present in 1.31, most notably the black screen issue.

Jayborino · Sep 2, 2021

What blasphemy have you turned the 5th mission into?

Xetanth87 · Sep 3, 2021

Jayborino said:
What blasphemy have you turned the 5th mission into?

Well I wanted it to be harder than the original. If that's what you mean.

Also the real blasphemy is this bug:

that only appears in newer versions of the game. Thankfully I found a way to fix it and no one needs to suffer massive frame drops. :wink:

Arcana. · Sep 3, 2021

Xetanth87 said:
Simple: Copy Warcraft III to a different folder. Apply patch to the copy. Now you have both 1.26.1 and 1.31.

The latest patches have really good advantages like Widescreen, 12 more player slots, a couple of new abilities (Knight Upgrade, Undead Dagger), more possibilities for map features and since it is the last non-reforged version, it has become a standard.

Can you like demonstrate in a vid on yt and put the reply me the link?

Xetanth87 · Sep 3, 2021

Arcana. said:
Can you like demonstrate in a vid on yt and put the reply me the link?

Get this: Link (MEGA)

Install it and now you have 1.31

Ravager16829 · Sep 4, 2021

Arcana. said:
Can you like demonstrate in a vid on yt and put the reply me the link?

Here is the link provided on Turnro's Discord server in case the link above doesn't work. You'll need a valid CD-Key to play:
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NETSHOW · Dec 29, 2021

So why Arcane Valut enabled? should be disabled in Reign of Shadows, only The Verdant Throne should enabled

So i played today you can see in video

Xetanth87 · Dec 29, 2021

Jill Valentine said:
So why Arcane Valut enabled? should be disabled in Reign of Shadows, only The Verdant Throne should enabled
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So i played today you can see in video

Two reasons why I enabled it here. Since Reign of Chaos campaigns were created without the race-specific shops in mind (which didn't exist back then), I excluded them from Overgrowth of Lordaeron and the other campaigns. The first reason I added Arcane Vaults in this is that it's a very short campaign (you can use Arcane Vaults on only 3 missions), and instead of getting Healing Wards you get a new hero that can hold 6 more items, including items from the Vault. The second reason is that there is no Alliance Campaign in TVT (how there is no Horde campaign in TFT, meaning you can never build Voodoo Lounges in TFT campaigns) so you won't get to build Arcane Vaults in TVT.

NETSHOW · Dec 29, 2021

Xetanth87 said:
Two reasons why I enabled it here. Since Reign of Chaos campaigns were created without the race-specific shops in mind (which didn't exist back then), I excluded them from Overgrowth of Lordaeron and the other campaigns. The first reason I added Arcane Vaults in this is that it's a very short campaign (you can use Arcane Vaults on only 3 missions), and instead of getting Healing Wards you get a new hero that can hold 6 more items, including items from the Vault. The second reason is that there is no Alliance Campaign in TVT (how there is no Horde campaign in TFT, meaning you can never build Voodoo Lounges in TFT campaigns) so you won't get to build Arcane Vaults in TVT.

Thank you all for your attention. And then I was shocked that it was turned on.

kisscsaba182 · Jan 3, 2022

I would like to try these campaings, so I need to download 1.31.1

NETSHOW · Jan 15, 2022

kisscsaba182 said:
I would like to try these campaings, so I need to download 1.31.1

Warcraft III

cleavinghammer · Mar 11, 2022

Prologue:
Terrain is flat and monotonous.

Second level:
Enemies have T3 upgrades on normal difficulty, should that be the case?

Third level:
Using lizards for SE&F was very clever. However, I'd suggest removing Wind Walk from Storm, all it does is lead to your troops just waiting for it to reappear and gank it.

(Man, I will never get used to Evil Tyrande being the voice for the Sea Witch.)

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Some backstory explaining the differences with the original story would be nice, especially since it relied on Warcraft II's story a lot. Like, the undead are already the dominant power in Lordaeron, how did that happen? Why did human Thrall keep his name? What happened during the Second War?

Holy Fool Sehrael · Jul 16, 2022

I played all the campaigns now so I'll be writing 3 more posts on the respective other threads. I love the goofiness and how it's just weird. What I love more is that we get to use a hero that's sadly underused in the original campaign - the archmage. I'd have loved to see more custom stuff/altered things to make it more unique and even though it's just supposed to be a raceswap (I guess Raceswap+ in later campaigns

) I'd have loved to see improvements over the original terrain, which is rather minimal. I do get why you didn't, I like it anyway. Good job overall, I enjoyed playing it.

Resyak · Jul 23, 2022

I'm one of those who firmly believe that effort and the spirit of improvement should be valued. You have been updating, improving and fixing different defects of the campaign and that is worth a lot to me. So I'm going to change my rating from 3/5 to 4/5. I hope you continue working and bringing future projects.

Regards.

Holy Fool Sehrael · Jul 25, 2022

cough Currently replaying in Reforged. I suggest adding a warning that using HD graphics will cause funny visual bugs like 2 units tall spellbreakers in mission 3 for example xD Would it be easily done to switch to HD models somehow since iirc we're using mostly vanilla models here which should have a Reforged equivalent by default ô.o Just wanted to mention it... because I forgot to switch to SD

Xetanth87 · Jul 25, 2022

Holy Fool Sehrael said:
cough Currently replaying in Reforged. I suggest adding a warning that using HD graphics will cause funny visual bugs like 2 units tall spellbreakers in mission 3 for example xD Would it be easily done to switch to HD models somehow since iirc we're using mostly vanilla models here which should have a Reforged equivalent by default ô.o Just wanted to mention it... because I forgot to switch to SD

Thanks! Maybe I can add a tag to each map to force them to be loaded in SD. I'll have to see if that works without changing the map version to 1.32, since I want them to be playable on the campaign version.

Fun fact: Since Thrall is the melee Archmage and not a custom unit, he becomes Theramore Jaina if you have the Spoils of War skin selected. :ogre_hurrhurr:

Holy Fool Sehrael · Jul 25, 2022

Xetanth87 said:
Thanks! Maybe I can add a tag to each map to force them to be loaded in SD. I'll have to see if that works without changing the map version to 1.32, since I want them to be playable on the campaign version.

If you can't figure it out or if it just doesn't work, simply put it like this in the description "Or Reforged (SD) using My Campaign Splitter!" ^^

Ravenwood Skye · Aug 14, 2022

As foretold, I am here!
The prologue, short and sweet.
A little introduction to the idea of race swapped campaigns, it does its task well. The prologue of course, does not actually leave much room for exploration, so the limited scope is understandable, but I found this little journey quite charming.

The dynamic posed by the race swap, even in such a small environment, is noteworthy. The Archmage and the Farseer are fairly similar heroes, but still offer different options for the scenario. The difference in army value poses its own challenges - the grunt is a more powerful unit than the footman, although it does not possess the special quality that comes with Defend, so even just the basic infantry dynamic is shifted. Humans also possess stronger defensive upgrades, namely Masonry upgrades, that allows a greater degree of safety through the always reliable static defense, and the additional economy upgrades in the form of lumber harvesting also provide an edge in base defense, so one is not typically in danger - should they divert the resources. I could go on about the differences between humans and orcs all afternoon, but I've got more games to play, so I think I'll call it here! The alterations to missions give it just the right touch of personalisation to fit the swap, and those little efforts go a long way. I had fun here, even if it was a similar experience to the original

I will be looking forward to the rest of the campaign, it is quite a charming little thing!

raypack · Aug 14, 2022

Ravenwood Skye said:
As foretold, I am here!
The prologue, short and sweet.
A little introduction to the idea of race swapped campaigns, it does its task well. The prologue of course, does not actually leave much room for exploration, so the limited scope is understandable, but I found this little journey quite charming.

The dynamic posed by the race swap, even in such a small environment, is noteworthy. The Archmage and the Farseer are fairly similar heroes, but still offer different options for the scenario. The difference in army value poses its own challenges - the grunt is a more powerful unit than the footman, although it does not possess the special quality that comes with Defend, so even just the basic infantry dynamic is shifted. Humans also possess stronger defensive upgrades, namely Masonry upgrades, that allows a greater degree of safety through the always reliable static defense, and the additional economy upgrades in the form of lumber harvesting also provide an edge in base defense, so one is not typically in danger - should they divert the resources. I could go on about the differences between humans and orcs all afternoon, but I've got more games to play, so I think I'll call it here! The alterations to missions give it just the right touch of personalisation to fit the swap, and those little efforts go a long way. I had fun here, even if it was a similar experience to the original

I will be looking forward to the rest of the campaign, it is quite a charming little thing!

Who tf r u?

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