Zergling model! >:O

[MySpaceBarBroke]

But thats why we love them so much

Indeed. And they have caring parents too. When the idiot marines run over a zergling (who the hell thinks a zergling is a dog?) a bunch of scary ass zerg appeared.

 

[Cool Joe Smith]

Indeed. And they have caring parents too. When the idiot marines run over a zergling (who the hell thinks a zergling is a dog?) a bunch of scary ass zerg appeared.

and that is why i would hug it, not kill it

 

[Massive_attack]

"i love you sarge !"

Priceless

but now, the zergling would simply fly over the jeep so that entire scene wouldnt have happened XD

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

"i love you sarge !"

Priceless

but now, the zergling would simply fly over the jeep so that entire scene wouldnt have happened XD

I think it'd go a little like
"Is that a dog?"
"Dogs don't fly!"
*Headless*
*Eaten Alive*

 

[KaboomMaster]

if WC3 had SC units does that mean i can find a footman in the SC2 campaign

 

[Massive_attack]

No.


...maybe a space ork though, dont get your hopes up

 

[Cool Joe Smith]

here is a thought, Wc3 Vs SC2!!!

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Here is a thought: How can an old 2002-2003 game ever hope to beat a next gen 2008 Sci-fi game with FPS physics and graphics that beat the shit out of Wc3's old engine?

Start using your brain.

 

[Massive_attack]

If you were reffering to universes, SC2 wins hands down. id like to see FOOTMEN hold off against the allmighty zergling rush, or the korean hordes XD

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Nuclear launch detected, ye undead bastards!

 

[Massive_attack]

Indeed. even creep > blight

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Totally. Other races can build on blight.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Heck, one of the reasons I don't like Wc3 is no superweapons. Humans have a holy nuke, horde would have an Extrme thunderstorm, Undead would have a corrosive/poisonous gas thingy, night elves would have some sort of uber "nature-takes-over" ability.

And Goblins would have nukes. Obviously.

 

[Moontraveler]

WILLTHEALMIGHTY I also wanted that in too . If we go back to the model debate at least the zergling model isn't as bad as the Ghost model... *Shudder*

 

[Massive_attack]

The ghost model is perhaps the best infantry model in the game.

Prove me wrong if you can, IMHO, the ghost is one unit blizz actualy did right.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Cmon, who DOESN'T love the idea of superhuman specialist infantry? Even all you dirty commies out there can agree. Supersoldiers are awesome. Supersoldiers than can cloak are even more awesome. Supersoldiers that can cloak and set nukes are... beautiful...

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Oh. And it snipes infantry. Sniper units have always kicked ass (and chewed up whole squads of soldiers).

 

[Teh_Ephy]

I want to see more zerg units.

 

[Moontraveler]

Yes we have barely anything on the zerg D: . (I was talking about the Ghost's model not how good they where (Even with very bad model (IMO) they still pwn))

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Indeed. even creep > blight

Does anyone find it odd that creep and blight seem to be opposite things? The first comment on creep was something along the lines of "The ground seems to be alive". The first comment on blight was something along the lines of "The ground seems to be dead."

 

[Teh_Ephy]

They're exact opposites, but they serve the exact same function. Hmm, now that you mention it, I want to see what the new creep looks like.

 

[Massive_attack]

Blizzard will nevar sho u !

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Teh Gasps

 

[JarrardKO]

Heck, one of the reasons I don't like Wc3 is no superweapons. Humans have a holy nuke, horde would have an Extrme thunderstorm, Undead would have a corrosive/poisonous gas thingy, night elves would have some sort of uber "nature-takes-over" ability.

And Goblins would have nukes. Obviously.

Hero abilities are super weapons imo. Super weapons, by meaning, are special and powerful tools which few beings possess and have the ability wipe out many organisms. So continuing along with that definition in mind, it would be perfectly reasonable to say that high level AoE Hero abilities in the Warcraft universe are super weapons. Powerful tools such as a high level nova, or a high level BoF/Haze combination, are both able to effortlessly wipe out many units if used correctly.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

But how many times to you see buildings wiped out in a single giant explosion?

Anyhow, superweapons have no place in warcraft, just like heroes have no place in starcraft. While starcraft is about large armies, warcraft is about small armies with many skillsets on each unit. Every unit is to be used to its full potential. To see buildings obliterated by some nuke from the other team is inconceivable. One must notice that food and resources are meant to be limited. (I think, haven't played melee in a long time ^^!) There is only 100 food in warcraft, while there is 200 in starcraft. In starcraft, the primary resource can be acessed by multiple workers. In warcraft, the primary resource is a goldmine, which, for the most part, can only be accessed by one worker at a time. Furthermore, upkeep takes away the gold you own. Units have much more abilities and upgrades. Starcraft is a game for large expendable armies, and superweapons are perfectly kosher there. But heroes and small squads of units usable in many ways belong in warcraft.

 

[Massive_attack]

/Agree with MySpaceBarBroke.

 

[PurplePoot]

In starcraft, the primary resource can be acessed by multiple workers. In warcraft, the primary resource is a goldmine, which, for the most part, can only be accessed by one worker at a time.

Erm, please, only 1 worker can mine from a mineral field at once...

There is only 100 food in warcraft, while there is 200 in starcraft.

You should also mention that warcraft units use more food than starcraft units, relative to their place in the techtree.

 

[Teh_Ephy]

Erm, please, only 1 worker can mine from a mineral field at once...

A single mineral field may only be mined by one worker at any given time. It is possible for workers to be queued up around a mineral field, or for several mineral fields to be stacked on top of each other (with a third party map editor), giving the illusion that the workers are all mining the same field.

You should also mention that warcraft units use more food than starcraft units, relative to their place in the techtree.

Waaay more... WC3 is about micro, SC is about massing.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Erm, please, only 1 worker can mine from a mineral field at once...

But do you get small fields of gold mines?

 

[Teh_Ephy]

In Starcraft, you get several many groups of mineral fields.

 

[PurplePoot]

A) gold mines give 10 gold, not 8 (factoring out upkeep here)

B) a worker needs to stay in a mine for about .5s tops. It takes at least 3 seconds to get minerals from a mine

C) Vespene Gas is rather limited (a slightly slower gold mine), and both resources are important in starcraft. In many cases, you'll find yourself out of gas and unable to increase your gas income without major troubles. In WarCraft, infinite workers (up to the point where they don't fit) can harvest a tree, making there only be one serious limitation

Also, in starcraft, you use a lot more money

 

[Massive_attack]

but PP, in starcraft you can get gass forever, sure, at a lower rate, but it still yeilds some. Capitalize on 2-or 3 of those, and you got infinite gass reasources.

Infinite gass gives you some sweet options that...wood never will, like the ability to get as many ghosts as your pop cap will allow for HALF the price of a marine.

 

[PurplePoot]

but PP, in starcraft you can get gass forever, sure, at a lower rate, but it still yeilds some. Capitalize on 2-or 3 of those, and you got infinite gass reasources.

...

Running off even 3 depleted geysers is hell. Try building anything significant... Also, once you hit rock bottom on minerals, you're screwed anyways

Infinite gass gives you some sweet options that...wood never will, like the ability to get as many ghosts as your pop cap will allow for HALF the price of a marine.

Ghosts suck for combat, except versus infantry >_>. It's not like you can produce them at a reasonable rate from depleted geysers, anyways.

 

[Massive_attack]

Meh, ill admit, i havent played starcraft in years, i may not remember my tactics so well, basicly for me if i was running low on minerals id make ghosts instead of marines.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

...

Running off even 3 depleted geysers is hell. Try building anything significant... Also, once you hit rock bottom on minerals, you're screwed anyways

How the hell do you play a game for that long to begin with?

 

[Massive_attack]

I Often get into long term gritty warfare in my SC games. Slow long unending battle.

 

[PurplePoot]

How the hell do you play a game for that long to begin with?

Metal vs Goons and Zealots. Nuff said ><

(with people of equal skill, those games tend to end in massive standoffs)

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

I've never had a melee game hold my attention for that long. Then again, I'm not what one might call a "good player" anyways.

 

[Massive_attack]

neither am i, but sometimes, i find a player who is equally matched with me, and besides, i often play defencively.

For me it was not un-natural to end up with no minerals left on a map at the end of a game.

one of the few things that ticks me off with SC is that late games can become reasource wars, and the one with the most wins. (in some cases)

 

[PurplePoot]

I used to turtle a lot, but I play way more recklessly now.

And more resources can often lead to loss, because the player (we're not talking pros) gets cocky and throws away units, assuming they can always afford more, until they finally hit rock bottom.

 

[LordDz]

...

Ghosts suck for combat, except versus infantry >_>. It's not like you can produce them at a reasonable rate from depleted geysers, anyways.

HORROR!
LOCKDOWN!
Gah.

I tend to do a bit of scouting with a worker, build a bit afar ma base (Terrans), Build barracks, Bunker.. Then I get tanks and go weee!

 

[PurplePoot]

There ain't no more lockdown on ghosts, sadly enough. (in SCII)

 

[Moontraveler]

Really? Well that's one of their main abilities in SC1 so it would be stupid to take it out in SC2....

 

[PurplePoot]

Yeah, I was sad too. They do have Snipe and Drop Pods, though. Drop Pods especially looks 1337.

 

[LordDz]

Drop Pods? Does it work like the Nuke but instead of dropping big baada boom it drops Marines?

 

[PurplePoot]

Yeah, it seems like you have to build them with SCVs, then load them with marines (and other infantry? Not confirmed either way) and drop them with the ability, as I've picked up from random gameplay clips.

 

[Massive_attack]

I think it would be better if pods were dropped just with a standard 5 marines from space.

Needs less micro.

 

[PurplePoot]

This way needs barely more micro than building a nuke.

 

[Massive_attack]

Yeah i suppose.

Building pods isnt so much an issue for me as loading them is, id much rather skip that part.

 

[NovaBlade]

Actually, the zergling always had 4 legs and the 2 spear things coming from the neck. If you look closely in the original starcraft, they bob their heads forward to attack instead of standing on thier hind legs (which they would have to do if they had scythes). Oh, and heres a pic of the wc3 zergling model:

Warcraft III Zergling: