WoW

[Drakai]

İ dont know if i psoted it on the right section but i wonder something.Why this site doesnt approve wow models and wow modelled maps?

 

[FrIkY]

Because it's illegal, end of disscusion.

 

[Drakai]

Ok thanks

 

[Peter Canvis]

It doesn't because then players could create their own world of warcraft, which is illegal.

 

[Duragon]

It doesn't because then players could create their own world of warcraft, which is illegal.

No, that is not the case.

Because it's illegal, end of disscusion.

This is the inferred result of the actual reason. The actual reason is because Blizzard has not given permission for us, the modding community, to use their WoW models in WC3 maps. (Like they did with WoW icons, for instance) Because this permission does not exist for WoW models, this site cannot support them as WC3 maps can be used as a mode for donations/payments. Earning money with models used without permission is illegal. Most websites would prefer to just disallow the models altogether than have to deal with the intricate legalities, which is why they're all disallowed whether you make money or not.

Hopefully that clarified it a bit.

 

[Ralle]

Blizzard is OK as long as we use their things for their products so using WoW icons. However there is a credit problem. If you take a WoW model and make it work for wc3 it is still made by blizzard and the owner should immedeately be changed to Blizzard and you should not really get any credit.
If you make a model from scratch that looks like a WoW model but is not imported. I guess it is OK.

But I am not saying how this works here. I am just thinking out loud.

 

[Devine]

You also have a concept issue imo.
Blizzard thought of the concept. Even if you recreate the model, credits should be given to Blizzard.

 

[Kuhneghetz]

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/228896-post14.html
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/230906-post31.html

I find these logical reasons very valid.

 

[Duragon]

Blizzard thought of the concept. Even if you recreate the model, credits should be given to Blizzard.

Yes, credits should be given for inspiration, but for a "you cannot use these models" discussion, no, I don't think concept reproduction is a problem. People take a LotR concept and make a model out of that all of the time; I don't see them having their models deleted because they didn't come up with the concept. From a legal standpoint, yes, I agree, the concept is just as important and capable of being copyrighted, but the line gets drawn at permission for these WC3 websites. If we disallowed concepts taken from other things entirely, we'd have to cull the entire database of anything that was inspired by anything else. (Which would be bogus, I am sure you'll agree)

Most of the spirit of what Kimberly is saying is right in your links, Dan, but you can't disallow a model because it makes a map ugly. While it is true that it does, there are many other models that also make your map ugly and we don't disallow them. The reason they are disallowed is strictly legal and no further than that, so a few of those reasons are null.

Anyways, I think the point has been made fairly well.

 

[Insincerity]

Because it's illegal, end of disscusion.

That's not the end of the discussion. WoW models also look terrible in WC3 maps because they clash.

 

[Duragon]

WoW models also look terrible in WC3 maps because they clash.

But them looking terrible in the WC3 environment has absolutely no bearing on allowing or disallowing them at websites.

 

[Insincerity]

But them looking terrible in the WC3 environment has absolutely no bearing on allowing or disallowing them at websites.

Sure it does; should we allow crap models to be submitted here?

 

[Kwah]

1) Unsure of legalities, but believe it to be illegal.
2) We're a wc3 modding site. Not WoW. The content hosted here is made by individuals for individual uses, in wc3. If you want to go and rip WoW models, feel free. They don't fall within the scope of the site. You could convert any form of model and upload it, and it would be denied. No reason why WoW models would be different.

Also, as to the post of Kimbo's DvO linked:

Blizzard DID NOT MAKE THE MODELS. People hired by blizzard did, this, they still own personal ownership over the models they have created.
-YOUR STILL STEALING THEIR WORK if your modifying, redistributing, selling or claiming their work not unless you have their permission(actual blizzard people who can say and change the laws and ownership over their content)
So thus, we dont support stealing.

False. Blizzard has ownership of the models. But, yes. Theft is bad.

 

[Duragon]

Sure it does; should we allow crap models to be submitted here?

Someone apparently hasn't looked at the models section. The standards are actually fairly low, and truth be told, there are much, much worse models approved.

Regardless, we don't support WoW models for other reasons I've already listed, not because they don't look great in WC3 due to the game they were made for.

 

[Ralle]

• No models directly exported from games other than Warcraft III will be accepted.
  • This prohibition includes, but is not limited to, World of Warcraft®.
    • Models exported from other games may be accepted if the model editor has significantly modified the file.

So you can actually submit a WoW model if you make significant changes.

A simple export is not enough.

 

[Adiktuz]

• No models directly exported from games other than Warcraft III will be accepted.
  • This prohibition includes, but is not limited to, World of Warcraft®.
    • Models exported from other games may be accepted if the model editor has significantly modified the file.

So you can actually submit a WoW model if you make significant changes.

A simple export is not enough.

but I guess you need permission from the company to edit those models....

 

[Duragon]

Technically, yes, but so long as you aren't turning a profit from the models nor are you claiming them entirely as your own, there are no grounds for action to be made against you. Thus, in that case, it's not 'illegal', but it is still frowned upon.

 

[thedeathunterxx]

but there is something i dont get.

If you create a map, with WoW models in it, and get no credit for it In any way shape or form, and all credit is givin to blizzard, and blizzard owns the product...

but the game turns out to be the next generation of 3D gaming ( '4D gaming ' ), tecknically, blizzard owns it....and in the long run, you get no credit for creating the ultimate new gaming expeierence, all because you had to use a WoW model ?

and secondly, if we asked blizzards permission to use Wow models, what happenes if they say yes ? Has anyone even asked permission to use them ?

@Ralle What defines significant ?

 

[Ralle]

and secondly, if we asked blizzards permission to use Wow models, what happenes if they say yes ? Has anyone even asked permission to use them ?

@Ralle What defines significant ?

I know that Blizzard does not care.

Significant is that you changed A LOT.

 

[Evillizard]

Sure it does; should we allow crap models to be submitted here?

Don't want to be rude, and I'm not pointing fingures, but we already do.
This is either because:
A) By allowing newer modelers to submit models, they may learn to improve their skills, unless they're stubborn.
B) Because we would have hardly any model if we were to remove all the models of low quality.

 

[Insincerity]

A) By allowing newer modelers to submit models, they may learn to improve their skills, unless they're stubborn.

They submit the models, the models get rejected, and they read the comment. If they're too butthurt to take the suggestions, then they can come back in a few years when they've grown up a bit and then start working on it again.

B) Because we would have hardly any model if we were to remove all the models of low quality.

That would be a boon. Searching is easier in a consolidated database because you wouldn't have to sift through all the crap to get to what you want.

 

[X-OMG-X]

That would be a boon. Searching is easier in a consolidated database because you wouldn't have to sift through all the crap to get to what you want.

But it would also make the chances, to get what you want, smaller.

 

[thedeathunterxx]

i like the wide range of models to choose from on the database. no matter how low quality the model may be, someone out there has used it if it has more then 0 downloads.

And either way, no need to be so pessimistic. If the site only accepted top notch models, it would be the exact same as Wc3campaign's, which is not so popular. and the models arnt super great either.