WoW or Warcraft 3 ?

[Voidwalker]

No people play Wc3 anymore. They all play DotA.

 

[Steel_Stallion]

I can't see how SC2's storyline is going to be much better

Quote in bold.

Of course they play Melee. But on B.net, not single player.

 

[Ash]

Of course they play Melee. But on B.net, not single player.

Quote in bold.

It's the same thing, really. It's all strategy and the like

(I'm loling at the quote in bold thing, now)

 

[Steel_Stallion]

Ya but your entire point was that people still play singleplayer...

Which you basicly outruled...

um wait.. im confused.

 

[The Dark Wizard]

Warcraft 3 because its free

 

[Ash]

Warcraft 3 because its free

That was valuable input.

Although, however much lacking in the amount of words, I guess he has got a point.

 

[Darkey]

I prefer World of Warcraft for gaming, as I play with a few mates of mine, making the playing experience alot more fun.

But World Editor is alot more fun when I'm bored and feel like doing some creations.

 

[Mr. Bob]

WC3 is good because it is hard. WoW is not good because you have to pay for it EVERY STINKING MONTH. And it gets old after a while. WoW sucks unless you like interacting with other people in the world.

Who cares about the WC3 campaign story, it was fun because it was challenging and it had unique missions. And it also had a lot of missions. And, it had a good set up, take the "12 unit limit grab", most people hate that, but it actually makes each unit more personal. And the heroes, so maybe they could only get to level 10, so what, when you have 3 level ten heroes, it does a lot of damage. Also, the game was slow enough to let you expand your base and evolve. Yet, when you got into it, it starting getting into a very fast pace. People always say, "you can't twist the buildings!" or, "you can't zoom in!", well, WHO THE HECK CARES? You don't play a strategy game to sit and drool at the stupid models. Also, I DO NOT at all believe ANYONE here on the Hive has ever beat a melee game on "insane" difficulty. The game was challenging so it was fun.

 

[Denu]

I am going into dangerous territory. I have been yearning to play WoW again but once I start... well it would once again consume my time like a black hole. Not to mention the money.

 

[Mr. Bob]

I am going into dangerous territory. I have been yearning to play WoW again but once I start... well it would once again consume my time like a black hole. Not to mention the money.

Not to mention your sanity.

 

[Ash]

Also, I DO NOT at all believe ANYONE here on the Hive has ever beat a melee game on "insane" difficulty.

Let me be the first to tell you; WRONG

The Hive even ran a few Melee tournaments.

 

[Aeroblyctos]

Also, I DO NOT at all believe ANYONE here on the Hive has ever beat a melee game on "insane" difficulty.

Ehh? I can beat easily 8 computers with insane difficulty easily. What's hard with it? X_x

 

[Rui]

That quote was not from Ash.

Anyway, Warcraft III definitely.
I don't understand how an endless game for which you have to pay every month can be funnier than a strategy-RPG game like Warcraft III. What's so fun about leveling a hero and pawning creeps all the time? Or defeating a whole town on your own?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying WoW sucks, I'm just giving my opinions on why I think Wc3 is better than WoW.

Like Mr.Bob said earlier, WoW requires constant updates. If WoW had the same number of updates as Wc3, it would be dead by now. There is no game variety. Just walking around with a character. I can't imagine how boring that can get.

Paying every month is still the worst part of it, though. It is sad not to see people playing it, but to see people abandoning Wc3 to play it.

 

[Ash]

The thing that annoys me the most about WoW, and other MMORPGs, is the grid. When someone can be logical and explain how killing 37576524379523864597843 of the same monsters for a quest constitutes as fun, gimmie a call.

 

[Dr00d]

It isn't. How ever, when it's kill (at the MOST) 20 of the same monsters to better your character, it is fun. Most of the time, progressing an avatar through any kind of challenge is fun in on ea or another, and we call them video games. Personally, I don't like hearing "Jobs done!" every time a tower is done being built. Repatriation is in 90% of games, wc3 included. Tell me when killing 37576524379523864597843 ghouls to win a match is fun. Or, use your head and see that you're really just going along with the crowd because hating WoW is popular. It's still in the top 10 selling PC games after how many years of being out?

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Or, use your head and see that you're really just going along with the crowd because hating WoW is popular. It's still in the top 10 selling PC games after how many years of being out?

Yeah, okay, Dr00d.

 

[Ash]

It isn't. How ever, when it's kill (at the MOST) 20 of the same monsters to better your character, it is fun. Most of the time, progressing an avatar through any kind of challenge is fun in on ea or another, and we call them video games. Personally, I don't like hearing "Jobs done!" every time a tower is done being built. Repatriation is in 90% of games, wc3 included. Tell me when killing 37576524379523864597843 ghouls to win a match is fun. Or, use your head and see that you're really just going along with the crowd because hating WoW is popular. It's still in the top 10 selling PC games after how many years of being out?

Because when you kill units in WC3, theres variation. When you kill units in MMORPGs it's the same thing, over and over D:

 

[Dr00d]

Yeah, okay, Dr00d.

*Popular on this site.

Because when you kill units in WC3, theres variation. When you kill units in MMORPGs it's the same thing, over and over D:

Oh yeah there's only one monster in WoW that you just kill over and over, that's why there's this long list of creatures, each one with a unique model.

 

[Ash]

*Popular on this site.



Oh yeah there's only one monster in WoW that you just kill over and over, that's why there's this long list of creatures, each one with a unique model.

p.s you quoted Void, not me.

And, whoopdedoo you kill a large amount of creatures with 'unique models'. Woah, what variation in gameplay.

Looks like your still pressing 1, 2 and 3 to me though.

I just can't see the fun in letting your character do all the work, while you sit back and press buttons to activate spells. :S

 

[GST_Nemisis]

if you havent realised almost all games are repetitive, wc3 is very very very repetitive. the custom maps make for alot fo variation tho. but you cant argue that WoW is more reptitive, because there is so much content that its difficult to do the same thing over and over without either playing the game for alot more time than you would have played wc3 (thus making it more for your money) or by doing something you really enjoy, like how i enjoy instances over and over.

 

[Formula1]

if you havent realised almost all games are repetitive, wc3 is very very very repetitive. the custom maps make for alot fo variation tho. but you cant argue that WoW is more reptitive, because there is so much content that its difficult to do the same thing over and over without either playing the game for alot more time than you would have played wc3 (thus making it more for your money) or by doing something you really enjoy, like how i enjoy instances over and over.

Eh... But theres more to understand...
Ranges vs Attack speed vs HP vs Silence vs mirror image etc....

In wow...
Boost your allies...
Heal...
Make sure your pointing in the right direction...
Attack...

 

[Gilles]

Ash, 1, 2, 3? I'd say there is more buttons and skills in WoW than all the races combined in wc3. I don't think either game is comparable. They are completely different games, and it's just whether or not you like MMO or RTS more.

 

[Formula1]

Ash, 1, 2, 3? I'd say there is more buttons and skills in WoW than all the races combined in wc3. I don't think either game is comparable. They are completely different games, and it's just whether or not you like MMO or RTS more.

Numbers.... But what do each one do?

Its not hard to compare.... Which develops more understandings?
What can you do more things in?

In Wc3 you can make single heroes control entire armies...
In WoW you only get one hero with a bunch of spells.....

You can compare its just people dont want to

 

[FireEffect]

I know many of you, not all, but many, have not played WoW and are just saying it sucks because of what you have heard. Even if some of you have played WoW, have you gotten to a high level? The game gets more fun as you advance, you get more skills, and it requires more thinking and strategy. I hated the game as much as many of you did before i got the game. I loved it, its not all grinding, not all the quests are "Kill # of (monster)" There are hard quests. The quests aren't direct all the time either, they sometimes lead you searching to find something to get a good reward. There are raids, there are challenges. The story line is quite good. Just because they somewhat ruined the wc3 storyline means it sucks? It is still a good storyline, not the best, but atleast they HAVE a storyline rather than most mmorpgs. Wc3 requires strategy, as does WoW. Each kill is different, it may require some button mashing, but what game doesnt? And Drood was right, he didn't say that they only have different models, they have different attacks, and stats, and different weaknesses and strengths. So thats why i voted for WoW.

 

[alfredx_sotn]

PvP in arena in WoW is definitely competitive and fun. Pity most of the fanboys of WoW don't mention about it, probably because they suck or not their type of game.

WC3 is definitely fun due to its replayability, being able to create completely customized game-play etc.



Then again one is an MMORPG, one is a RTS game. I don't really see the point in comparing 2 things with totally different game-plays. It would make more sense to compare WC3 and SC (errr well age doesn't matter imo ).


Wow first constructive (almost) comment of the day.

 

[Denu]

The thing I remember about WoW was that you had to invest a hell of alot of time for things to start to get interesting. And then you have to play at a fairly constant pace to keep up with everyone.

My friend invested his entire summer to get High Warlord. He got Walord and had fun pwning people in battlegrounds and all that. But soon after he got Walord they came out with the patch that let anyone get High Warlord gear with a relatively minimal amount of time. He quit right after that and only reactivated his account long enough to check out BC.

 

[Rui]

Strategy is not killing different creeps. Strategy is getting, for example, in Warcraft III, getting units that counter the enemies' units. Air vs Melee for example.

And I say it again, I didn't say WoW sucks, I might even try it, however, NEVER on the official server. Paying to play a game, geez. I just pay for buying the game and that's it.

 

[Dakho]

Playing WoW is more fun than some people think. Getting to 70 takes some time, sure, but once you get there it's awesome. Playing arena gets very intense and fun, especially when playing with a friend and one of you pull of a miracle.

You also have your raids, which are very fun because they require teamwork, strategy, and timing. You can't be an idiot and just pull a leeroy jenkins, you need to be coordinating with your team. And hey, everyone loves their phat lewt.

I prefer it to warcraft because it has the highest replayability of any game (imo). In addition, the quests in WoW are so well made and the storytelling, for an MMO, is spectacular.

Of course I like warcraft too, but I prefer modding it than playing it. If I could mod WoW...

 

[Ash]

We can't forget the biggest point; you don't have to pay for WC3 after you've bought it.

 

[alfredx_sotn]

You do have to pay for electricity you use anyways, luls.

 

[Rui]

That's even worse in WoW: you pay for the electricity AND the game (and the Internet, if you want to add that).
Not healthy for you, not healthy for your pocket either.

 

[FireEffect]

You dont HAVE to buy WoW...

 

[Ash]

you Dont Have To Buy Wow...

Zomg Site Rule Violation Bann!!11111

 

[Gilles]

Numbers.... But what do each one do?

I don't understand this comment at all.

Its not hard to compare.... Which develops more understandings?

Again not following you.

What can you do more things in?

Obviously Wc3 because you can edit. Does this mean any game that is editable is better than all games that aren't? I'll answer that for you.... no it does not.

In Wc3 you can make single heroes control entire armies...
In WoW you only get one hero with a bunch of spells.....

What exactly are you comparing? What you can do? In WoW you can do a shit load with that one person. A lot more than your whole army in wc3. You can work on around 5 different skills (fishing, cooking, ect.), you can go hunt things, you can PvP, you can explore a vast world, you can.... and on, and on.

You can compare its just people dont want to

You can't compare! You can talk about what you like over the other (your opinion), but you can't compare. Except graphics. That you can. Otherwise they are totally different.

To me, when you compare, you take similar things and look at which one is better. The only similarity between these two is the fact that they are both video games, and are made by the same company, with the same story. Oh I guess you can compare storyline, and character development, setting, and environment.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Does this mean any game that is editable is better than all games that aren't? I'll answer that for you.... no it does not.

"Does this mean that any game that has good graphic is better than all games that aren't? I'll answer that for you.... no it does not."
Gee, thanks, Captain Obvious. Good traits aren't instant success buttons. They're just that---good traits. Not having instant superiority doesn't necessarily mean a good trait can't be used as reasoning for why you think a game is better.

You can't compare! You can talk about what you like over the other (your opinion), but you can't compare.

Hurr, yes you can.

You see, alfred said there was no POINT to comparing two games with completely different gameplays. And that's a reasonable answer. But you most certainly can. You can say WoW's storyline sucked balls in comparison to WC3's. You can say WC3's campaign was rather limited compared to WoW's quests. You can say you don't have to pay monthly for WC3, or that WC3 had much more replay value due to the fact that it's so easily customizable.

There's just no point stating this because such a large amount of this depends on a person's preference, rather than their reasoning.

I will say, however, that MMORPG's are attention span killers.

 

[Formula1]

I don't understand this comment at all.

Um... ask questions instead of being an arrogant ahole

Again not following you.

Again... ask questions...

Obviously Wc3 because you can edit. Does this mean any game that is editable is better than all games that aren't? I'll answer that for you.... no it does not.

Yes it does... depending on how in depth you can edit it...
People get obsessed with some games just because of graphics or storyline...
The fact you can edit a game brings a lot of potential in terms of gameplay as well

THe only things you can't mess around with is the number of people that can play at once...
Which wow beats Wc3 in...

But I don't like the theme...
I like techno... Robots... Drugs... Trips... Souls... All they have is Midevil times bullshet...

What exactly are you comparing? What you can do? In WoW you can do a shit load with that one person. A lot more than your whole army in wc3. You can work on around 5 different skills (fishing, cooking, ect.), you can go hunt things, you can PvP, you can explore a vast world, you can.... and on, and on.

In WoW you can battle... and do stupid Little things like in runescape... Like "Herbology" (Which is basically just collecting tons of stuff just to get one little thing done)
The combat is just Point in the right direction and click as fast as you can...
-But Archers cant do that....

As For buffing and Healing... thats all it is.... Your a betch for the other players... Just managing and making sure your players are alive and enemies are dying...
WHich is cool...

You can also do the same with editable games.... You just have to figure out how...
However I dont think warcraft has that option.... Since i dont think it can detect click/release and drag unless you go into the coding... Hopefully people will find it in assemby/J(assembly)

You can't compare! You can talk about what you like over the other (your opinion), but you can't compare. Except graphics. That you can. Otherwise they are totally different.

You can compare...

Game possiblities...
-WoW has Point in the right direction, CLick as fast as you can, Level Up/Item System, Managing enemy and ally Health and Buff system...
-Warcraft is whatever you can figure out in Jass and Gui, which I don't think includse the point in the right direction or Click as fast as you can (THough you can detect clicking by clicking a unit that allways is in front of your camera) Level up and item system possible... Managment is all about the Alt key...

Graphics...
-Wow is going to be better to avoid lag for warcraft....
-But Wow is uneditable... while Wc3 can create Arthas playing on the guitar and you can fight with him... or Mushroom warriors... or Master Cheif from halo... or A giant Dildo... Many more possibilities...

Number of People
-Wow Beats Wc3 in Number of People
-Wc3 however can try and make each game a pure one on one game and the gameplay as awesome as possible and make each game maximize the area while minimizing cheapness...

ANd Can Editable possibilities be more fun one way or another?

To me, when you compare, you take similar things and look at which one is better. The only similarity between these two is the fact that they are both video games, and are made by the same company, with the same story. Oh I guess you can compare storyline, and character development, setting, and environment.

I think your blind.
Period.


I'll also say this....
Warcraft is soooo hard to Edit well...
cause Jass is like an Language of its own....
Too much patience for very little outcome sometimes...

 

[Mr. Bob]

I don't understand this comment at all.

Usually polite questions will help with that.

Again not following you.

Again, you can ask polite questions about what you do not understand.

Obviously Wc3 because you can edit. Does this mean any game that is editable is better than all games that aren't? I'll answer that for you.... no it does not.

Actually, it does. Because, in editable games, you can open up a whole new version of the same game, just the way you want it.

What exactly are you comparing? What you can do? In WoW you can do a shit load with that one person. A lot more than your whole army in wc3. You can work on around 5 different skills (fishing, cooking, ect.), you can go hunt things, you can PvP, you can explore a vast world, you can.... and on, and on.

Except, your just one guy. That, and you can modify WC3 to be like that.

You can't compare! You can talk about what you like over the other (your opinion), but you can't compare. Except graphics. That you can. Otherwise they are totally different.

If that where true, better graphics is also an opinion. And no, you CAN compare. For one, wow is more expensive.

 

[Gilles]

Um... ask questions instead of being an arrogant ahole


Again... ask questions...

Okay.

What do you mean?

Yes it does... depending on how in depth you can edit it...
People get obsessed with some games just because of graphics or storyline...
The fact you can edit a game brings a lot of potential in terms of gameplay as well

THe only things you can't mess around with is the number of people that can play at once...
Which wow beats Wc3 in...

As MSBB pointed out, this indeed helps, but again does not make one better than another. Imo, most wc3 maps suck. Very few are good enough to play.

But I don't like the theme...
I like techno... Robots... Drugs... Trips... Souls... All they have is Midevil times bullshet...

So why exactly do you own wc3 and are active on a wc3 site? To make more futuristic games? Well why not use C&C or something.

In WoW you can battle... and do stupid Little things like in runescape... Like "Herbology" (Which is basically just collecting tons of stuff just to get one little thing done)
The combat is just Point in the right direction and click as fast as you can...
-But Archers cant do that....

I'd like you to go on a test server and battle players. See if it's all that easy. Granted there may be less skill in WoW than wc3, there is still enough to make it fun.

As For buffing and Healing... thats all it is.... Your a betch for the other players... Just managing and making sure your players are alive and enemies are dying...
WHich is cool...

I enjoy being a healer actually. Not sure if you were being sarcastic, but I'm guessing you were.

You can also do the same with editable games....

As much as I support Wc3:WoW, no rpg/orpg in wc will ever be as good as WOW imo.

You can compare...

Fir enough, you can. Thanks to MSBB for pwning me and pointing out that you shouldn't bother is better than saying can't.

Game possiblities...
-WoW has Point in the right direction, CLick as fast as you can, Level Up/Item System, Managing enemy and ally Health and Buff system...
-Warcraft is whatever you can figure out in Jass and Gui, which I don't think includse the point in the right direction or Click as fast as you can (THough you can detect clicking by clicking a unit that allways is in front of your camera) Level up and item system possible... Managment is all about the Alt key...

Some like coding, others don't. Doesn't make one better than the other.

Graphics...
-Wow is going to be better to avoid lag for warcraft....
-But Wow is uneditable... while Wc3 can create Arthas playing on the guitar and you can fight with him... or Mushroom warriors... or Master Cheif from halo... or A giant Dildo... Many more possibilities...

How does editing affect graphics, unless someone releases a patch to upgrade them.

Number of People
-Wow Beats Wc3 in Number of People
-Wc3 however can try and make each game a pure one on one game and the gameplay as awesome as possible and make each game maximize the area while minimizing cheapness...

Not following you. I don't understand the maximize are and minimilize cheapness part.

I think your blind.
Period.

Thanks. Mind explaining?

Anyways, it bugs me when people state their opinions like fact. You should say things like, you prefer editing games to actually playing them, or that MMORPG's aren't your favorite, because you don't care for items making people better than others, not skill. Ect.

 

[alfredx_sotn]

IMO all posts get a passive debuff of -50% credibility when they mix up with you're and your.

Oh crap MMO terminology!

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

IMO all posts get a passive debuff of -50% credibility when they mix up with you're and your.

Oh crap MMO terminology!

Ur a noob. Stfu.

 

[alfredx_sotn]

Speaking of STFU...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Tenant_Farmers_Union

 

[Formula1]

Anyways, it bugs me when people state their opinions like fact. You should say things like, you prefer editing games to actually playing them, or that MMORPG's aren't your favorite, because you don't care for items making people better than others, not skill. Ect.

THats funny cuz you said you can't compare the games like its a fact

I like Skill over Time Spending and Items unless it has something to do with tactics
People Look For a better weapon...

And Weapons in general should be around Playing Style
-Blowback Makes you have to Re aim everytime qand adapt but give you an advantage if you can react faster then you enemies and Have longer range
-Sheilds

I'd Rather Have Zelda As an MMORPG then WoW...
WoW is too simple.... No Blocks... No adaptation...
Though I respect the Simplicity...
I actually realized after Saying the Buff Part it was kinda interesting...
But Being Forced to do it wouldn't be much fun...

ANd Attacjks aren't even semi auto... You are restricted which pisses me off...

Wc3 isn't any better in my mind... But I respect it more for its possibilities...
The People that can actually do things are sometimes douchebags...
And there are a bunch of ideas that are similar but not perfected...

WoW is just nice to me because it has more people...
And The combat is Simple and good enough...
And Mages and Attackers are interesting...

But It could easily be better...
I'd Like to have a Block

You certainly are overly arrogant...
You should watch your tone...
If you want discussion act like it instead of being a douche\

Speaking of STFU...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Tenant_Farmers_Union

why was he just a diouchebag to you?

 

[FireEffect]

Well this thread turned from a nice debate to trying to say others are wrong, i am guilty though, but maybe we can state our opinion and not try to disprove others?

 

[alfredx_sotn]

1) Random capitalization kills my eyes.

2) Than and then mistakes, as common as you're and your as with were and we're. The internet makes you stupid.

3) There are more vocabulary than 'douche' I think.

4) Over-use of periods/dots has the same effect as 1).


Just commenting kkkkkk? FREEDOM OF SPEECH YO!

 

[Formula1]

1) Random capitalization kills my eyes.

2) Than and then mistakes, as common as you're and your as with were and we're. The internet makes you stupid.

3) There are more vocabulary than 'douche' I think.

4) Over-use of periods/dots has the same effect as 1).


Just commenting kkkkkk? FREEDOM OF SPEECH YO!

Wut the fok?
Um...............

And I'm well aware of my flaws... I like it that Way.......
Whats going on? has everyone gone insane?

 

[alfredx_sotn]

Just commenting kkkkkk? FREEDOM OF SPEECH YO!

That's what I'm doing if you're still wondering 'wut the fok'.

 

[Formula1]

That's what I'm doing if you're still wondering 'wut the fok'.

oh.....
K.....
I dont sense any aggression.... So I dont' really mind......

 

[Gilles]

You certainly are overly arrogant...
You should watch your tone...
If you want discussion act like it instead of being a douche\



why was he just a diouchebag to you?

I don't think I'm arrogant, please point out how I was.

I don't see how I was a douche, please explain that as well.

 

[Formula1]

You can't compare! You can talk about what you like over the other (your opinion), but you can't compare.

Honestly I think I'm just Bugging out...
CLearly I'm going insane...
But in Arguments For some reason it seems like people don't want to hear the counter opinion and it pisses me off...

I honestly just like the fact I can customize and make games in Wc3...
Though I completely understand the MMO aspect which is pretty aweosme...

I dunno...
Maybe something is off in my mind.....

 

[Naze]

Both opinions are OK (Formula and Gilles).

Actually, I don't really like WoW, because it's based on level system, and that makes the game unplayabe for me.

Also, War3 is editable, as Formula said, and I prefer editing games then playing them.

_