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Why is all this anime crap so popular?

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Personally, I hate anime, I can't stand it. Hell, I rather watch the New York Yankees win a game and Boston Red Sox lose (That would suck) than watch anime. What doesn't help is its all over the place in games like Warcraft. I don't like that, if its a game about western fantasy, wizards and demons and s**t, it shoud stay a western fantasy game. Just to name a few, "Anime Hero Arena" and "DBZ RPG". I can't really give an all to specific reson of why I hate it to much, there are like one or two that I like, but I think the main reasons I hate it: Oversized eyes, These things have a diameter of a freakin' car wheel, 2. Stupid plots. Everythings basiclly the same, save the world from the Curse of the Dragon Demon King. Almost every plot is the same, its alyways this save the world crap.
 
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Whats with all this baseball or whatever you're on about crap? Its so pointless, see a bunch of people run around trying to get a ball. Who in their right minds would watch something like that?

The answer: People who want entertainment

You obviously haven't seen any good anime. You see, Japan is far ahead of most other nations. They have come to the bloody OBVIOUS realisation that cartoons are not just for children. Therefore, they make cartoons with themes that you could make a better movie than Lord of the Rings from

And you complain of saving the world. ALL forms of entertainment are mostly about saving the world. There are anime which aren't about saving the world as well. Oh, but as far as you're concerned saving the world is a pointless thing? Ok, so I take it you hate Lord of the Rings as well? Or just a fair few ammount of movies produced? I guess you must hate WC3's storyline as well, with all of that saving the world from the Burning Legion. Saving the world is an overdone plot line, but there are ways to change it

Oh, and your complaints of the drawing style date back to the original "Western" style they copied from, a wide and expresive eye style popular before the famous days when cartoons were hastily slapped together just to advertise some random thing

Oh, and you've obviously seen the horrendes "4 Kids" dubs. The correct word to describe what "4 Kids" does to anime is "Butcher"

Other dubs are fine.

Oh, and there are eastern influences in Warcraft. Take for instance dragons who don't want to roast everything in their paths. Or the Night Elven architecture

But seriously, you're narrow minded. There are good anime, just like there are bad ones. And at that, different people have different likes. I don't know what these "Socks" or "Yankees" you're on about are, but whatever they do sounds so boring I'm feeling tired just reading it
 
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i think that exposing people to all those anime on the tv makes them want to draw anime too, wich doesn't help. personally it makes me laugh when i see an attempt to make a scary demon but the author gives him big eyes and a small pointy micheal jackson nose.
for an art style i think that it is instant defeat if you begin with anime.

i think anime is unagreable for persons who seeks realism and esthetical accuracy rather than virtual emotions of a character
 
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bamboodude said:
i think anime is unagreable for persons who seeks realism and esthetical accuracy rather than virtual emotions of a character

Wrong. Anime is NOT realism. Ever noticed how they're drawn? Guess that should explain a lot.

For those not aware what seperates anime from American cartoons *sigh*, anime is treated the same as if you watched some sort of Western drama. Yes I know, some plots just get damn fishy these days. You gotta blame the directors or whoever thinks of funky crap.

In other news, when anime gets dubbed...
 
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Anime isn't about realism. As much as I know about it (and that's not much), it's about idealism. Huge eyes, massive hair and thin limbs and such are, from what I see, the eastern vision of a perfect person. There's nothing I can see particularly wrong with it, and, well, suggesting sport as an alternative is a bad decision.
 
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Im going to say anime is just a waste of time... it was acceptable before we could make decent 3d animaitons quickly.


but honestly the style is so shitty so they can mass produce them fastly... thats the whole reason the style exists not to mention is pure shit.


I dont like anime.
I dont like people who dress like anime characters.
I know alot of anime fans, they are weird people.
I know alot of people who dont like anime, they are not as weird.

ill leave it at this... Anime is Modern art for cartoons.

and yes the old western cartoons are 100000000x better than anime. but i dont really like them either.

the storylines ARE all the same.

The art style is usually shitty, because they need to make a shitload of frames quickly no EXCUSE!

Emotions are exagerated, and make it even more dumb.

The storylines are the same storylines you see on shows that kids 3-10 watch, they just add more violence.
 
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how about locking this topic before we organize some sorta big quarrel between Anime fans and haters :wink:
 
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I find it entertaining that you make fun of anime's art style...as if loony toons, dexter's lab, ed ed & eddy, and all that stuff has more realistic or less exaggerated styles? Yeah, Elmer Fudd and Johny Bravo is so much more realistic then some of the more mainstream anime characters.

the storylines ARE all the same.

So are the storylines of "Dumb and Dumber" and "The Terminator" the same to you, too? I could go forever into that comment. Granted, there are a disturbingly high number of mass-produced copy-cat anime, but to say that all anime is the same is, short of any other word- ignorant.

I find as much diversity in anime as I do in Ameircan live action movies. What you are doing would be basically the same as judging all movies after seeing only "Resident evil apocalypse" and completely ignoring the thousands of others that actually have logic and storylines. You DO know that there are different genres of Anime, right? You DO know thet they have varying level of realism and complexity, and that not all are like DBZ, right?? If all you have been exposed to is the garbage on kids WB and cartoon network, then I sincerly appologize...Its just a pitty that mostly only the little immature boy shows (DBZ, Naruto, Digimon, One piece, Pokemon) get released over here while the actual GOOD stuff does not, or if it does, is butchered beyond belief. That is why I dont watch US-released anime....it is a disgrace. Because some of these anime actually DID have good stories until they were watered down to that of the intelligance of a lobotomized basket case.

If you want to judge anime, at least dont judge it by the US releases...that is just unfair because those DO suck and only give a false impression of anime.


...and no, I don't dress up....
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I think the whole anime hate thing is just an eastern-western relationship. dont understand? well if you ask most americans theyll say all asian people look the same. ask an asian person (and yes,i have done this) theyll say that all white people look the same. there are many other examples of this. ask a metal head about rap and theyll say that all rap sounds the same. ask a hip-hop person and theyll say that all metal sounds the same. its just a matter of not caring to point out specific qualities so then we just generalize it and say it's "all the same".

i guess the only thing thats the same about all anime is that their mouths move the same: up and down. deaf people will have a really hard time reading their lips.

any why are you asking why anime is so popular? why not ask why
this got so popular.

yes there are pathetic people who dress up as anime characters, but there are many who dress up like their favorite comic-book characters. dont believe me? just visit the comic-con in san diego.

oh and complaining that battle.net is always hosting anime hero arena and DBZ RPG is like screaming "i have down's syndrome!" just look how many fucking times dota is hosted. blizzard should just demolish warcraft and rebuild it as DOTAcraft.
 
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there is nothing good abbout it. Though i havnt seen all anime all the ones i have seen are **** and ive seen quite a fair bit of them diffrent anime shows they do all seem the same realy
it wouldnt be so bad if the creators of it took some time and did thier stroy lines better and make it more intresting
is what im saying is it kinda goes with Vg's sig
 
I agree with VG, there is a lot of anime cr*p on tv lately (like DBZ, pokemon, megaman X, Sonic X, Digimon, etc.), and they are all realy badly animated, it's a discrace. But not all of it is bad.
I haven't watched that many anime movies, but Princes Mononoke, Spirited Away and Grave of the Fireflies are REALY good.
All those cr*p anime series on tv are just giving anime a bad name.
 
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I haven't watched that many anime movies, but Princes Mononoke, Spirited Away and Grave of the Fireflies are REALY good.

Agreed. Hayao Miyazaki/Studio Ghibli is basically the Disney of Japanese animation. All their works are highly recommended, anime fan or not. All of their movies are sheer excellence, and I cannot speak highly enouph of them.
-VGsatomi
 
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Well, (Japanese) games and anime are essentially the same industry. Quite often people who work on games also work on anime and vice versa. For example, some members of Studio Ghibli (makers of Princess Mononoke, ect) also worked on the Jade Cacoon RPG series, hence why you see so many similarities in art and theme in that series to the movies produced by that studio.
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not to mention the anime-based games...

i havent been very updated on anime lately because i dont have access to it from now...

so i can only talk about the old good ones...before pokemon was ever been imagined....
 
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why do peoplr always assume im talking about american anime when i say it sucks.


ive never seen american anime i have however seen jap anime, because of a few of my study partners.


and spirited away and princess monoke sucked bad they were as bas as resident evil games and movies.

by the way most western action movies suck aswell.
 
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G_ddamn I hate anime. I hate its art style much.

You know, I TRY to love them, some of my friends who are anime freak always gives me recommendation about which anime or manga that are good.

I care about it, then I copy several anime and manga to my harddisk, read it and watch it, and after least then 24 hour I'm really bored and delete all that **** out from my HD. I don't know, it's complicated beetwen headache because of its awful style and stomachache because its lame storyline.

In fact, i don't like any drama serial or any serial movies, bcause it gives serial boring.

More than that, I hate the people who are so freak about anime and manga.

I agree with Sansui, all anime geek are some kind of weirdo. Worst of all, all these geeks always draw any picture in anime style, showing it to the others geek, and praise each other s*** stuff , while there are many art style instead of anime.

They just become a 'follower' and lose their own 'style'.

Actually, I hate any kind of geek, geek sucks arse!
 
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your taking it a little far.

i said people who dress likeanime people are weird...
just like people who dress like any movie character besides on certain events.


i dont hate geeks nor consider people who like anime geeks.

i just dont understand how people can like anime so much... its just like the "punk" and "ghetto" styles anymore.
 
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Sansui said:
i said people who dress likeanime people are weird...
just like people who dress like any movie character besides on certain events.

Well then, I said anime geek is a weirdo. I hate them.

I don't know about people who like dressing like anime, or dressing like a movie character, I don't find much of them here.

But here, in Indonesia, since it is a part of Asia, I found much anime geek even just in my classroom.

Firstly, I think it just me who said anime geek sucks, but after that, i know several person who don't like anime geek to, and several person who like anime, but not as geek as them. Several girls also agree with me, that anime geek is such a weirdo.

Actually, I hate people who dress like anime character, movie character, movie star, hip-hoppers, metal death, or any s*** like that. They just lose theirselves.

And punk is not about dressing like s***, it's about ATTITUDE. Watch it.
 
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Ok, too much blabla for me to look around but I'll tell you my opinion about animes.

There are anime for small children, and anime for other people. Take Pokemon, Digimon, Sailor Moon and other such animes. YES, I used to watch these all when I was a child and I even have Sailor Moon on CDs and from time to time it feels good to look at an episode or two, because it reminds me of cool stuff I used to do in the past. These are the "cartoons" of my childhood and I will not forget them. Oh, and I now hate Pokemon. :p

On the other hand, there are animes with such themes and action, that I could hardly believe that they are made for children. I recently saw "Ayashi no Ceres" and to be honest, I was quite shocked of what I saw. Everybody slept with everybody, even though it wasn't porn or something. In the beginning it seemed like it was a soft anime, until a lot of people started to die in an awful way, and well, yeah, the everyone with everyone stuff. Heh, I'm exaggerating a little but that one is surely not an anime for kids.

And I find animes an original thing. Just because you found crappy animes or those from the first cattegory (some of which indeed suck, but others are cool ;)) doesn't mean that all animes suck. Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean that that thing must really suck, because a lot of people like animes. If animes would've been so bad, nobody would've watched them.

Ok, and getting to the "people who get dressed like characters in animes", ok, I understand that some kids might do that. But it's pathetic. Yes, it's fun to watch it, but that's it. Don't push it! Don't turn an anime into an obsession. It is just a movie and nothing else. It's cool to dream, but... not lead that to extreme.

You would be surprised to see how many people watch animes, and have clubs of animes and stuff like that. Even here in Cluj-Napoca there is a club (I think... I saw something on the internet when I was looking for a music theme) but I personally find the "time sparing" into such a club a waste of time. Ok, maybe people in that club exchange opinions about different animes and even exchange animes but I'm not that attracted to animes. I rarely watch one (I have a friend who is an anime maniac and has hundreds of CDs with animes taken from Torrent) and he sometimes gives me some so that I can watch when I have some time and I feel like... But that's it. No obsession, just entertainment.

Oh, and I almost forgot... I loved "Spirited Away" and "Howl's Castle" movies. Those are the only anime movies I've seen (non-series) and I really liked them. As for series, my fav remains Sailor Moon. It has some cool ideas and some funny parts. :D It's probably because I didn't see many other series... :p

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Almost_there said:
This thread attracts moderaters... lol

and the most important thing is that this thread attracts Teppana!
to be honest this is only thread I even have willpower to even look at

I don't even know why am I wasting my time in Wc3search :shock:

Pokimónmón Rocks! ^^
thou shalt agree with thine superior! :mrgreen:
 
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Almost_there said:
Raiju said:
not to mention the anime-based games...

i havent been very updated on anime lately because i dont have access to it from now...

so i can only talk about the old good ones...before pokemon was ever been imagined....

Pokemon is **** not anime

wrong again, pokemon is a crap, but its still anime. know your facts
 
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Okay, what I'm trying to get at here is that people should not generalize by simply saying "all anime sucks." Given that there is as much diversity in anime as there is in normal movies, saying anime sucks is like saying "all movies suck" since anime is not a genre in its self, but contains all the genres that normal movie catagories have. And if you think all movies suck, then I guess media entertainment is simply not for you, and should bother to respond to topics like these.
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all anime sucks. i dont enjoy watching drawings do things, never did. plus i do not consider anime "MOVIES" i think of them as Cartoons, or animations. A movie to me consists of real people being videotaped with things that look real so 3d animations that are realistic or photo real drawings could work..
 
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Interesting point, i never saw anime like movies...

i always saw them as cartoon, its hard to say say this in a way you understand it but i see anime to laugh and entertain myself, not that do not entetain with movies, its just that i prefer a whole role of action movies rather than anime. i just like anime who got all those fantasies, powers and laughable situations.

wanna know what? i like them both, just see them in different ways. and stop talking about "all anime is crap", this is a dumb afirmative
 
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Not too serious point of view:
- Some animes are crap
- But some animes are so incredibly good.
- I find that some americans dislike anime just because it wasn't made on their country, sad but true.
- I like some US cartoons too but some of them are crap.



Serious point of view:

Every single thing on the TV sucks, I find it actually childish to say "All Anime Sucks " or "All anime is crap" and give reasons that work for everything out there.

Let me name Reality Shows, The teletubbies, "Cartoon Cartoons" , "Sesame Street" . bunch of crap the TV is just crap, everybody migrate to the web!

In fact the web itself is incredibly full of crap and anybody with 1 year of experience or more on internet navigation should be sure about it.

Movies? No thanks.

Computer Games? hahahaha.

It is dumb, to expect "realism" from the TV, not even the news broadcasts are realistic, specially if you live in the US.

Anime is a waste of time? Duh, enternainment is another way to say "Waste of time" so better live with that or start reading books before saying things like all anime sucks because it is unrealistic.

And latelly there are a bunch of books that suck too, Is anybody body else tired of "You can do it as long as you trust on yourself" Cliche books? I am , those things should be burned to hell, and their authors castrated.


What about fuck ing Harry Potter? damn, nobody cares about his balls of fire or whatever, please and that was actually a book? And don't make me talk about Lotr and Starwars, useless crap.

"Cultural" Movies? Yeah sure according to the film critics, those guys actually seem to love all the other kind of Movie garbage including: Romantic Movies, Movies about suicide, Movies about homosexual relationships, Movies about abortion, Drama.

Bunch of wastes of time.

And I could continue judging everything else but I have to sleep I have classes at 8:00 AM, talking about wasting my time.
 
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Vex you right tht most things but you take several things way to far.
I agree that lotr and star wars suck and i agree that reality tv and all that garbage sucks. but i can honestly say in my opinion ALL ANIME sucks.


prove to me how any of it is better than an actual movie.

how can poorly drawn cartoons be better than a live film, if both are supposedly good quality.


and yes this is a waste of time, but im on vacation so take that no anime club bastads to deal with for a week!

honestly half of those kids dont shower. and the other half think they ARE the characters from the shows... just like the D&D club scary sight.

anywho its all good till you take it too far... just like "punk", and "ghetto"
 
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prove to me how any of it is better than an actual movie.

Well, to do that you would actually have to WATCH the ones I recommend...and I'm sure I would know your answer to that.

But here's some other facts; the Japanese are every bit movie fans as Americans. Before the release of princess Mononoke, E.T was the hight grossing movie in Japan. Aftrer being taken by Mononoke, it was beaten that same year by Titanic. (E.T. was also the highest grossing movie in thr US before Titanic) Since then Spirited Away smashed Titanic's record. So 2 of Japan's top 4 money making theater movies were anime. And before you say "well who cares about Japan", let it be know that they, though perfectly legel means, get our movies in the theaters before we do. And, in perspective to population, movies earn as much in Japan as they do here per capita.

Here's a list of the top 25 gossing movies in the US. Tell me how many of them are animated. You may not think of them as good as live action, but its undeniable that they are just as successful.

http://list-of-highest-grossing-films.borgfind.com/

And as for anime, here's what was said about Spirited Away, Japan's most successful movie;

-- In 2002, Disney acquired the rights to "Spirited Away," an animated movie by the Japanese master Hayao Miyazaki. The highest-grossing movie in Japanese film history, "Spirited Away" became the first animated film to win the top prize at the Berlin Film Festival and the first movie to have earned $200 million at the worldwide box office before opening in the United States.

You can get the full story here:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/02/03/DDGHFB40EG1.DTL

I agree that about 90% of all anime is really not that good. There are a lot of copycats that follow everyone elses or over-explored themes, making for predictability, and some developers lack real creativity. But the remainaing 10% are real gems, and those are what I collect.
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i have one thing to say... millions loved hitler.

millions love saddam...
millions love kim jong...
millions upon millions love ddr... and it sucks.

il gladly give any film you recommend a chance,but

if there was a good anime, and a real movie of the exact same thing which was not cheezy but very well done and good which would you consider better?
 
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yes most people say that when they have no possible way to prove their side.

thats why im talking with veggie and not you olof.
Olof, next time add to the conversation do not spam.

its not like im trying to get you to hate anime, so wh y try to change my view on it? even though it seems most people who watch anime always try to do that.



honestly trying to prove anime sucks or does not suck is like trying to prove being punk is cool or not cool.

its all up to the opinion of the person.


and frankly i still do not see why people like these cartoons so much. thats all ive been trying to figure out.


mainly its the art style that makes me angry.. im not sure why but i just do not like it... and ive see some of the more detailed anime.
 
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Well, (Japanese) games and anime are essentially the same industry. Quite often people who work on games also work on anime and vice versa. For example, some members of Studio Ghibli (makers of Princess Mononoke, ect) also worked on the Jade Cacoon RPG series, hence why you see so many similarities in art and theme in that series to the movies produced by that studio.
-VGsatomi

Ahh okay, thanks for the knowledge! Wauw also didnt knew Jade Cocoon was a well known game in any way even though its good.

Well since you know of Jade Cocoon do you also know Grandia 1 by Ubisoft? Probaply one of the best games in that genre! :D
 
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