when the map section will....

[rysnt11]

I like how this thread turns out!
Good luck you all!
I'm sorry i can't be a help...
:'(

 

[Rui]

You people should use our Chat, you'll find -Kobas- there often, and ap0calypse or Cweener sometimes. It is a good place to gather for map reviewing sessions. Just don't let any trolling that happens to go in there infect you.

 

[-Kobas-]

If you are in hurry, even if you don't see me there, just paste links and say why, someone will copy them for me once when I join
But I know to join chat anytime, day night, 24/7. You are free to ask anything

EDIT:

Around 360 maps left.

 

[SA Dashie]

lol good luck as there are always new maps....
But it's annoying how reviewers always miss something out and ends up being a big problem to the casual games :\
Mabe if I have the time I might see how well I can do a review my self and may be interesting.

 

[-Kobas-]

But it's annoying how reviewers always miss something out and ends up being a big problem to the casual games :\

Was that related to thw map section or just generally speaking?

 

[SA Dashie]

general speaking as people will figure it out eventually but it would be alot more simpler for reviewers to point out details

 

[Ironside]

general speaking as people will figure it out eventually but it would be alot more simpler for reviewers to point out details

Looking at how at the map section only I and -Kobas- are currently reviewing (I think) there simply isn't the time to write extremely long detailed reviews.

I review the map, write only the main things, the rating wouldn't change if I wrote longer reviews anyway.

 

[SA Dashie]

Just pointing it out but i understand why.

 

[-Kobas-]

14 pages guys.

 

[Lightning]

I checked some more maps today...QUOTE]

Oh good, hope you had fun.
I have a human-terrained map that you can check if you want

 

[-Kobas-]

Only 200 maps left.

 

[Jazztastic]

Damn work is getting done

 

[Magtheridon96]

-Kobas-, I can guarentee that you'll aprove my map as soon as I release v1.08
Btw, the maps section is currently doing 10x better than the spells section
and 20x better than the icons section ^^

 

[The_Silent]

-Kobas-, I can guarentee that you'll aprove my map as soon as I release v1.08
Btw, the maps section is currently doing 10x better than the spells section
and 20x better than the icons section ^^

Anything wrong with the icon section?

 

[Magtheridon96]

Nothing's wrong with the icons section actually
Look at these statistics:
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/apps.php?p=pendingstats

 

[The_Silent]

Wow, 10 maps approved a day. I'm impressed.

 

[-Kobas-]

Sorry guys, process is slowed right now, I have some real life problems

 

[Magtheridon96]

Sorry guys, process is slowed right now, I have some real life problems

Dude, don't worry about it
You'd still be doing better than Bribe, Maker, and The_Reborn_Devil even if you were inactive for 3 weeks

 

[Statharas]

Give links to maps with rips -
Gaze at the banning glory.

 

[-Kobas-]

You'd still be doing better than Bribe, Maker, and The_Reborn_Devil even if you were inactive for 3 weeks

Nope, each mod do just fine, problem is that there are many more uploaded maps than spells or icons, so numbers are different as well.

 

[Linaze]

10 maps a day is quite a lot, and I'm not saying this to flatter you, I'm just worried the quality of those reviews might be quite low.

 

[-Kobas-]

10 maps a day is quite a lot, and I'm not saying this to flatter you, I'm just worried the quality of those reviews might be quite low.

I just moderated maps. If someone want review I will spare some time.

 

[Linaze]

Oh, so you're not reviewing maps at all, that's an interesting approach. Could you show me one of your recent "moderations", then?

 

[-Kobas-]

Well check map section.

 

[Deolrin]

Well link him to one of the maps you moderated. -.-

Since you didn't, here you go, Linaze.

And here's another one, perhaps a better example.

 

[Linaze]

In that review of Last Stand of Dalaran there's a link to the following "review" in the moderator's comment box:

Review by Ironside
----------------------



Positive features:

- Has a quest menu
- Has a multiboard

Negative features:

- Could use more heroes
- We were pretty much unable to kill a single hero that attacked the base, I think it needs some balance
- Terrain could use some work
- Lacks original spells

Additional Information / Conclusion:

In short, it is quite an interesting map, but it needs more work.

Rating: 3/5
Vote for: Approved

Now, what I wonder: Is this a fucking joke? "Has a quest menu", "Has a multiboard", "unable to kill a single hero [...] needs some balance".
If this is what the map section has become, then I wonder why you haven't merged with epicwar yet.

 

[Ironside]

In that review of Last Stand of Dalaran there's a link to the following "review" in the moderator's comment box:

Now, what I wonder: Is this a fucking joke? "Has a quest menu", "Has a multiboard", "unable to kill a single hero [...] needs some balance".
If this is what the map section has become, then I wonder why you haven't merged with epicwar yet.

Let's face it, there are little to no people ready to write the huge reviews like they were in the past.
If huge reviews would be required, then the map section would probably just not have any reviewers left except for 2 or 3.
Additionally, either I write 1 line or 1 page, the rating will be the same.

 

[Linaze]

I don't care about the length. It's the retardness of that review and the fact that map staff used that review to approve a map that matters.

 

[Ironside]

I don't care about the length. It's the retardness of that review and the fact that map staff used that review to approve a map that matters.

Well apparently it's fine, I used it from long before the map purge event and until today.

 

[Linaze]

You honestly think it's fine to approve a map based on the fact that it has a quest log and multiboard? Damn man, how do you sleep at night?

 

[Deolrin]

Linaze, really, there's no point.
We're all aware that the map section is fucked up, and there's no chance to save or improve it.
We're all aware that the mods are literally not doing anything but looking a the comments and choosing the ones that look the least retarded(which is not saying much really).

 

[Skycraft]

Just putting this out there, I sometimes do this when I'm bored.
I'll admit I'm not great at it but it's something fun to do when I want to pass time.

And from what I'm reading I will have to agree with Linaze and Deolrin here, if you are gonna play someone's map to see if it is good then give a proper review. A few lines won't really help anyone, and it'll just waste time.

 

[Jazztastic]

Well I got bored so I decided to review something - and unlucky for you it turns out to be your map!

Greatest way to start a review ever.

 

[Ketsuno Anson]

Well,proper reviews and whether it can be approved or not is two different thing,if we're going by high standards,most games will be rejected.

 

[-Kobas-]

Once again we don't have time to write huge detailed reviews.
As you can see we just check if map has quality to be approved or doesn't.
Good ones that are suggested as recommend or highly recommend are checked by me as well.

I don't like this either but face it there are 200+ pending maps, I can't spare 1 hour to write review for each one, ask model or skin moderator does he links tutorials, post 10 page long suggestion list, work on resource himself to show user how it can be improved etc etc.

Linaze and you Deolrin just stop with such posts and comments, you didn't say nothing new that we didn't already know. Each day users upload 10 maps, half are poor quality (Maybe we should review them as well), 4 are on border and maybe only 1 good that require our attention.

As I already said if user want detailed review he can request it, if he just want to see his map approved I will just check author name, does map contain broken/stolen resources, triggers, green icons, and maybe a little from gameplay, just to see how map looks like.

If you hate this system so much start writing reviews yourself.

 

[Deolrin]

What you call 'decent' or 'good' would definitely count as terrible and rejection-material in my books.
And seriously, Ironside didn't write a review. He pointlessly listed things that the map has and doesn't have, and made a very strange sort of 'points system' based on how many things the map has or hasn't.

 

[Ironside]

What you call 'decent' or 'good' would definitely count as terrible and rejection-material in my books.
And seriously, Ironside didn't write a review. He pointlessly listed things that the map has and doesn't have, and made a very strange sort of 'points system' based on how many things the map has or hasn't.

You're wrong, the text I write has nothing to do with my rating.
I just came up with the shortest possible way to point out the bad & good points.
The rating comes from what I test, not what I write.

 

[Deolrin]

Then WTF is the point of writing a review(if you can even call that a review) either way?
If you write a review, you're supposed to point out the things you enjoyed or didn't enjoy during testing, not randomly pointing out features and other things that the map has or doesn't have.

 

[Linaze]

If you hate this system so much start writing reviews yourself.

When I was a map moderator I probably reviewed hundreds of maps, and guess what: Back then I actually reviewed the maps, I didn't just link to a horrible review by someone else who approved the map based on the fact that it had a multiboard and a quest log.

 

[Kino]

If anything, a preliminary report by users judging whether or not a map is worthy of approval can be used.

Basically what Ironside did, excpet there is only emphasis on the bare minimum that exists or does not.
And of course it doesnt actually rate as a "review"

 

[Ironside]

Then WTF is the point of writing a review(if you can even call that a review) either way?
If you write a review, you're supposed to point out the things you enjoyed or didn't enjoy during testing, not randomly pointing out features and other things that the map has or doesn't have.

Because we absolutely must write something in order to even be able to be marked as a review.

Do you think anyone would mark it if I wrote nothing else but Voting for approval, 3/5 ?

And as said before, if longer reviews will be needed, even the last few reviewers will stop, and the map section will die completely.

 

[Deolrin]

And as said before, if longer reviews will be needed, even the last few reviewers will stop, and the map section will die completely.

You have a problem then.
Get competent mods like Linaze.

 

[Kino]

Like I said earlier, Users can write simple preliminary writeups to judge whether or not a map is even approve worthy.
These should not be used to rate a map, especially mod rating.

From there others users/mods can work with a smaller pool of maps deemed to be "worthy" and write more indepth reviews.

 

[Ironside]

You have a problem then.
Get competent mods like Linaze.

Well that's up to Ralle to decide on who will be moderator.

 

[Deolrin]

That's not a thing that Ralle has to do.
A change in the community and understand of the map section must change in order to transfer to a better map moderation system.
For example, people should stop calling a rating + a few random points a "review". And moderators should only consider the good and detailed reviews in their moderation.

 

[Ironside]

That's not a thing that Ralle has to do.
A change in the community and understand of the map section must change in order to transfer to a better map moderation system.
For example, people should stop calling a rating + a few random points a "review". And moderators should only consider the good and detailed reviews in their moderation.

If you'll search good good reviews then as said, the map section will pretty much die completely, as there are very few good reviews currently.

 

[Deolrin]

That's why we need MODERATORS to review the maps, not users.

 

[mckill2009]

moderators need help...if a moderator trusts a reviewer then I think the mod can approve the map...coz if we rely on moderators to review the map, then the map section will be filled with pendings or it will die just like Ironside said...

 

[Vengeancekael]

To sum things up, all we're trying to say is that your reviews don't make any sense at all and if you can't even write a proper review, I don't care if it's short or long, then just don't and let the mod just approve it without using a user's review for the map's rating. You could just help the mod with the normal checking of the map, if it breaks any rules and such, but please don't give it a random rating that's not even linked to your so called review.

 

[Ironside]

To sum things up, all we're trying to say is that your reviews don't make any sense at all and if you can't even write a proper review, I don't care if it's short or long, then just don't and let the mod just approve it without using a user's review for the map's rating. You could just help the mod with the normal checking of the map, if it breaks any rules and such, but please don't give it a random rating that's not even linked to your so called review.

The text is nearly the pure basics, while the rating is exact.
I spend my time checking and already know the rating and then write the quick review.

My reviews might be weird, but the ratings are proper.