What happened on 1.27a in 2016?


We traveled to Irvine, spent a few days exploring southern California on the weekend, and visited them on Monday. It started off with a campus tour through their museum which changes regularly, and then through many of their 12 or so buildings which are laced with fantastic Blizzard art. It was pretty amazing - PurgeandFire tried to take as many photos as were allowed.

After that, we went and visited the Classic Games department. We first met with Pete Stilwell and had a conversation with him about ourselves and about Warcraft III. Unfortunately, Monday was substantially hectic. They were expecting to release the patch within a few hours! We also met with Rob Bridenbecker and several programmers. Then we went to lunch at the World's End Tavern and chatted about the future of Warcraft III as well as the details of how things were implemented/going to be implemented.

We met roughly 11 people total on the team for Classic Games (including Rob and Pete... 12 if you include Felix). After lunch, they decided to let us test out the patch before its release! They set up two computers for us and had us duke it out in a 1v1 NE (PurgeandFire) vs. Kam (Orc).

Afterwards we talked a bit about third party tools and assisted in installing JassNewGenPack on their system. It would be unfortunate if the patch ended up having JNGP no longer working (people would have to go back to 1.26a for development or migrate their maps away until someone fixed Grimoire). We showed them how to set it up and it ended up working without any issues.

We talked with the devs a bit more and then, unfortunately, it was time to leave. They had to get the patch out before a deadline, and Pete saw us out.

All in all, it was a fantastic day and it genuinely left me excited for Warcraft III. It is crazy to think that a game so old still has such an enormous fanbase and a company that cares enough to update it.

I was surfing the web on Chinese forums, I noticed that Kam had visited Blizzard in 2016. At that time, it was the 1.27a update.

I want to know what happened at that time, can anyone provide me with any more details?

2025.1.20 Edit:

I've noticed in this thread that someone is trying to travel back in time on a time machine, which is a great way to escape reality, but that's not my purpose.

What I want to figure out is, what happened to all of us, how did each of them impact the community and Blizzard, what exactly got us to where we are today?

I believe that for the history of the game or the history of the mod community in general, it would be nice to have a chronicle of the main story, and perhaps there should be a book to document it all.

Retera's reply made me realize that it was a blind man touching an elephant. So let's stop this thread.
 
Last edited:
Also, does anyone know, if there are really space aliens on earth with the time travel capability, can a discussion be had with the aliens to transfer me back in time to when Kam was doing this, so that I can walk into one of those offices with a flash drive and get a few things from the developers while Kam and the other guys are eating in the taverns?

If we do that, then I could use the source code to build fun spinoffs of Warcraft III like maybe a WoW-Wc3 hybrid, and also make builds with new abilities and systems, such as a Naga build that has all the server code and stuff and can play versus but with Naga for the entertainment value. But also, I think that preservation of non-Reforged source code on planet earth might be a societal good.

Edit:
I am aware of the recent debug symbol leak, but my attempts to see if the symbols could respawn the C++ source code in an automated way appeared to be thwarted by our society's lack of sufficient technology, or my lack of willingness to spend money on high-cost software to accomplish the task.
 
Last edited:
Also, does anyone know, if there are really space aliens on earth with the time travel capability, can a discussion be had with the aliens to transfer me back in time to when Kam was doing this, so that I can walk into one of those offices with a flash drive and get a few things from the developers while Kam and the other guys are eating in the taverns?

If we do that, then I could use the source code to build fun spinoffs of Warcraft III like maybe a WoW-Wc3 hybrid, and also make builds with new abilities and systems, such as a Naga build that has all the server code and stuff and can play versus but with Naga for the entertainment value. But also, I think that preservation of non-Reforged source code on planet earth might be a societal good.
Why expect aliens and time travel? Maybe by Christmas 2035, the developers will push the uncompiled Warcraft III code source files and material source files directly to the Blizzard CDN as a Christmas gift! And claim that it was just an accidental leak!

Also, I don't understand why you're obsessed with remaking the classic style Warcraft RTS or World of Warcraft, you're already recoding, why can't it be a Warcraft-themed turn-based game or a Warcraft-themed FPS game? Open your mind:mwahaha:
 
I don't understand why you're obsessed with remaking the classic style Warcraft RTS
I followed Kam very closely in 2016 era and messaged him on internet. Back then my motivation was quite simple, from my perspective. I was working on a bunch of custom factions for Warcraft III and I wanted to finish making them. But Patch 1.28 made my thing stop working, even though I had been working on my thing for about 15 years, so after that it was all just about stopping the oligarchy, stopping the Reforged, to get to a future where there is some Warcraft 3 for customs platform that is predicted to actually work, so that I could actually finish my project that I worked on for 15 years.

But I am not sure that I kept the faith. Maybe instead I was defeated by social media into being a thought vampire, who now is here to siphon off of everyone else make things worse for everyone. Since I can't finish my project, I can instead make things worse for everyone else so that they will know the same pain, trolling everyone like Kam and all his buddies to make Reforged bad, and then when that didn't quite work trolling Brad Chan and his buddies to make Reforged 2.0 even more bad.

Because I don't even have any faith anymore. Even if they published the perfect platform and I went back to working on the project I was focusing on for 15 years, I would assume that within 2-3 years they would destroy the platform they created and take it away. So it becomes very hard emotionally to support my passion. It is much easier to just make life worse for all of them.

I made a video in 2020 summer, privately for myself at 3 am, where I recorded myself describing "How I Sabotaged Reforged" and basically described the process of gaining Kam's trust, then getting 7 or 8 blizz employees to each out to me on Discord to help them with bug reports and suggestions for Reforged, but when I talked to them I would usually always end with, "Ha I'm better than you!" to demoralize them because I just didn't even care. And then Reforged released and it was like, maybe they all stopped believing in themselves. Maybe it worked!

But I'm starting to feel a bit old now and I wish we could put this stupidity behind us, and create a future where I could again be confident that I could continue working on the thing I was doing for 15 years -- but confident for real -- meaning that if Frozen Throne works yesterday, it will work tomorrow, and a rich man will not take it away (not even in part).

Anyway, from years ago before the AI messed me up, when I was probably more honestly invested in the official War3 game rather than legacy clients and spinoffs, back then the chat logs between Kam, me, and some other friends were very interesting. I think Kam tried to delete some of them in hindsight, but, there is probably a treasure trove of pseudo-public information in the Discord dark web in places you've never heard of.

But why do you want it? I don't think that anything we do can bring the past back. I can't picture how to create a future where Brad Chan can have as much fun as me when he plays Warcraft 3. Probably I will always have more fun that him, because of my rebellion against the system. So, what are you actually looking for, what's the point? Kam has probably moved on to working for a different company on a different RTS in Timbuktu, somewhere far and outside our reach. For him to have given so much of his life, time, attention and focus to being a public face of someone who cares is extraordinarily admirable, perhaps in the same way that how I approach War3 these days is an antithesis of that and is perhaps dis-admirable.

One idea that I had which might be fun would be to use AI generated voices to have a pretend round table of all the prominent figures of Warcraft 3. We could make a War3 cinematic with a War3 hero sitting at this big table, and talking in the voice of who it represented since AI can mimic any voice now. Folks that I might include, whose voices are publicly available and could be used for trolling in this way:

Wtii
Grubby
Ralle
Kam
Neo from B2W
InsaneMonster
ShadiHD
Tamplier
Brad Chan
Pete Stilwell (probably excluded by assumption of the fact that he did it for his career and moved on)
Sammy from the sammy cubes (possible excluded because of his age, and a desire to focus the social group on the future instead of past)
myself (because I would be the one making the video even if I don't deserve to be there)
maybe one of the following to represent interested but healthy people:
- Abelhawk
- Designer Dave
- Khyrberos
maybe one of the following to represent people who don't actually care:
- Bellular
- Asmongold (would be funny to have him riding on a crypt lord making a comment about it mutating out of a cockroach in his mom's attic)
- Holly Longdale

I probably forgot one or two people from this list. Also, most of these people have publicly available avatars and publicly available voices, so AI generating off of all of them would be possible. As a result, creating an imaginary "round table" of sorts where we hallucinate them to all be sitting together at a table in one physical space, and represent them with each their own MDX model file, might be quite funny. But if they were all there, discussing the future of Warcraft III, what conclusions would they arrive at? How would their discussions go? Is this not a more interesting question than where or how Kam ate a sandwich at a tavern in 2016?
 
Top