Warcraft III Alternate 1 (Undead Campaign): Overgrowth of Lordaeron

[Xetanth87]

I don't have much to contribute in addition to what others have already commented, just say that I found it quite an entertaining racial swap job. The least I liked are the voices, I honestly think it would be better without a voice, it must have taken you work to adapt the tone but I don't know, it doesn't quite fit. I would also have liked to see more changes of skills and maps, I'm not saying different maps, I mean deeper modifications.

Anyway, the result is good, it's fun to see the adaptations and the turning of the tables.

Regards.

I've said this before, but I think that too many lines without voice make the player read instead of pay attention to the cinematic/gameplay. As for changes to maps and skills, you will see a lot of them in Colonization of Kalimdor. With each campaign I've added more and more custom units, abilities, heroes and map changes. While Overgrowth was mainly vanilla, Colonization will have a lot of new stuff

 

[NETSHOW]

Bug founded.
After completing Chapter 2 don't unlocked Chapter 3. Please fix it.

 

[Xetanth87]

Bug founded.
After completing Chapter 2 don't unlocked Chapter 3. Please fix it.

I'll look into it. Until then, you can type -t in the first chapter to unlock all chapters.

 

[NETSHOW]

I'll look into it. Until then, you can type -t in the first chapter to unlock all chapters.

ah okay. i will check

 

[Xetanth87]

ah okay. i will check

Works correctly for me. What version are you on?

 

[NETSHOW]

1.31.12164

 

[Xetanth87]

1.31.12164

I have the same version and I haven't encountered this problem. If the Interlude is unlocked, you can play that one and skip it to play the following chapter.

 

[NETSHOW]

In chapter 5 i founded mistake
Chapter Six should be Chapter Five

 

[Zeduro]

TBH it's funny and interesting campaign. Though, Dreadlord Jaina is still underwhelming. Hope you will find any good Dreadlord Jaina model around. But yes, this is golden with Death Pact in first missions.

 

[Xetanth87]

TBH it's funny and interesting campaign. Though, Dreadlord Jaina is still underwhelming. Hope you will find any good Dreadlord Jaina model around. But yes, this is golden with Death Pact in first missions.

I've had a lot of people ask me this. I've looked at a lot of models, I even tried to make my own model for Jaina, but I ended up giving her the Undead Jaina model for the cinematics, with the original Dreadlord model for gameplay. This is also a very minor problem, since every other hero has a unique model (except for Undead Arthas, though he gets one of the more unique models afterwards), and Jaina does have the unique cinematic model to make up for it.

 

[cleavinghammer]

First level:

Benedict appears as an enemy before he's revealed as a bandit.

So ghouls are actually zombie children and slave labor?

Searinox still summons skeletons, Arthas should comment on it.

Ending: What the- Man, even when he's the good guy Arthas is an asshole.


Third level:

Ha ha, it's funny because in WoW Jaina's (acting like she's) been replaced by a dreadlord.

Why are all the Wisps invulnerable?

Most of the map isn't blighted, so the area around the well doesn't look that different. Maybe have a big circle of blight and put the well over it to clear the blight away?

Tree of Life quest: corrupting -> purifying maybe?


Fourth level:

Kel'Thuzad says the plan is to "cleanse the mortals".


-

It's still entertaining, and funny in places, but directly swapping the races leads to some plot issues. Do the undead still reproduce, and more importantly, why do the undead still need to eat? Maybe use some other product they need (embalming fluid? thread?) that the elves can tamper with.

 

[Xetanth87]

First level:

Benedict appears as an enemy before he's revealed as a bandit.

So ghouls are actually zombie children and slave labor?

Searinox still summons skeletons, Arthas should comment on it.

Ending: What the- Man, even when he's the good guy Arthas is an asshole.


Third level:

Ha ha, it's funny because in WoW Jaina's (acting like she's) been replaced by a dreadlord.

Why are all the Wisps invulnerable?

Most of the map isn't blighted, so the area around the well doesn't look that different. Maybe have a big circle of blight and put the well over it to clear the blight away?

Tree of Life quest: corrupting -> purifying maybe?


Fourth level:

Kel'Thuzad says the plan is to "cleanse the mortals".


-

It's still entertaining, and funny in places, but directly swapping the races leads to some plot issues. Do the undead still reproduce, and more importantly, why do the undead still need to eat? Maybe use some other product they need (embalming fluid? thread?) that the elves can tamper with.

Arthas doesn't acknowledge the Skeletons in the original, and he only comments on them in chapter 3, and you get the hint about Holy Light damaging the Undead in that chapter, even though these skeletons appear. In the original, you could use Holy Light on the skeletons, but not the dragons. Now you can use Death Coil on the dragons, but not the skeletons.

Arthas saves the villagers because he doesn't want them to go to waste. Sacrificing them for his own gain isn't evil for him, but letting them be sacrificed by the humans and elves is.

Wisps are invulnerable because I wanted to give show how Lordaeron is being taken over by nature, without making your units target the wisps instead of focusing on the actual enemies.

As I've said it before, in the original the Undead want to cleanse the living (Humans, Orcs and Night Elves). In Alternate, the Night Elves want to cleanse the mortals (Undead, Human and Orcs).

A lot of things you are asking about the lore aren't really explained, because Alternate doesn't take itself that seriously. I try to make the story as coherent as possible, but I don't think about things like how the undead reproduce. As for the ghouls, the children are ghouls because Timmy was a Ghoul in chapter 4 of the original Human campaign.

 

[cleavinghammer]

Fifth level

Almost managed to clear both bases out before the time limit hit, hooray for skeleton spam!

End cinematic:

• Arthas' voice line is "For the Lich King", the message line is "You will know endless torment."
• The dead mountain giants are affected by the heroes' auras.

Interlude:

Medhiv comes back after he's left the scene for some reason, just flapping above the heroes.


Sixth level:

Intro:

• Uther attacks an abomination when it leaves.
• Jaina keeps switching forms without warning or SFX.

Mal'ganis should have an SFX when teleporting.


Eighth level:

Ship hint: attacks or to -> attacks to

Gnome missile launcher should be given enough range to hit the trees hiding the

Hidden

zergling

cave.


Ninth level:

During the ending, maybe make the fog green instead of white and add more trees so it looks more like a forest than an empty void.


Tenth level:

... No, avenging is the opposite of what Arthas is doing.

Captains should havemore health, they tend to die far too quickly to Frost Novas.

Rune should heal more, since more often than not Arthas is getting focused so hard he still loses HP.

At the very end, the captains then Arthas pop out of existence one by one for no reason.

-

Well that was fun. There are a few plot points I think should be developed further, but it's good overall.

Mission screens should reflect the new locations if possible.

 

[Xetanth87]

Fifth level

Almost managed to clear both bases out before the time limit hit, hooray for skeleton spam!

End cinematic:

• Arthas' voice line is "For the Lich King", the message line is "You will know endless torment."
• The dead mountain giants are affected by the heroes' auras.

Interlude:

Medhiv comes back after he's left the scene for some reason, just flapping above the heroes.


Sixth level:

Intro:

• Uther attacks an abomination when it leaves.
• Jaina keeps switching forms without warning or SFX.

Mal'ganis should have an SFX when teleporting.


Eighth level:

Ship hint: attacks or to -> attacks to

Gnome missile launcher should be given enough range to hit the trees hiding the

Hidden

zergling

cave.


Ninth level:

During the ending, maybe make the fog green instead of white and add more trees so it looks more like a forest than an empty void.


Tenth level:

... No, avenging is the opposite of what Arthas is doing.

Captains should havemore health, they tend to die far too quickly to Frost Novas.

Rune should heal more, since more often than not Arthas is getting focused so hard he still loses HP.

At the very end, the captains then Arthas pop out of existence one by one for no reason.

-

Well that was fun. There are a few plot points I think should be developed further, but it's good overall.

Mission screens should reflect the new locations if possible.

• Arthas' voice line is "For the Lich King", the message line is "You will know endless torment."

Wc3 bug makes quotes played in transmissions to play the wrong sound after ordering a unit with that soundset due to some offset problem.

• The dead mountain giants are affected by the heroes' auras.
• Medhiv comes back after he's left the scene for some reason, just flapping above the heroes.

That's how it is in the original.

• Uther attacks an abomination when it leaves.

Abominations, unlike Knight have no free will. Uther needs to force them to leave.

• Ship hint: attacks or to -> attacks to

I found it as well, but I didn't post the typo fix yet. Thanks anyway.

• ... No, avenging is the opposite of what Arthas is doing.

Arthas is avenging the Terenas that was before he became the Lich King. He is avenging him by freeing his spirit from his body.

• Rune should heal more, since more often than not Arthas is getting focused so hard he still loses HP.

I plan to do this in the next update.

• At the very end, the captains then Arthas pop out of existence one by one for no reason.

No they don't. You can see the blink effect, and they look at each other in confusion. In the next campaign, Arthas appears with a blink effect, so it's clear that Tichondrius teleported them.

• Mission screens should reflect the new locations if possible.

This would take a lot of work, especially adding the text. Considering the fact that other custom campaigns don't bother with creating custom loading screens, I don't think this is a priority.

 

[Holy Fool Sehrael]

This was an interesting one and I didn't expect a lot of stuff that had happened, heh. Gave me quite some laughs and chuckles, really cool. I've got nothing to complain except, again, I would've loved to see more modifications/custom stuff. Jaina turning into a dreadlord was funny but I immediately understood that it might be a disguise since it seemed to be on purpose. Some moments were wonderfully awkward and the best scene still is Arthas casting death pact on the townspeople at the end of the chapter xD As always cheated on the timed base defense mission, one of my most hated maps (Aside from the last mission of the original undead campaign with the summoning and Groms purification). I just can't with time limits (In case of Groms purification it was just purely annoying for me in the OC), that's an issue with me though lol

Personally I didn't like the final fight, but I was positively surprised that you did that in order for the end to make sense somehow if you get what I mean ^^

 

[Ravenwood Skye]

The Overgrowth of Lordaeron, another charming addition.

I had good fun running through the campaign, the Death Knight and Paladin being similar heroes on opposites sides of a coin meant that Arthas' dynamic was not too different. Jaina's definitely was, with the Archmage and Dreadlord being quite different in terms of ability, as well as Muradin, with the differences between the Mountain King and Crypt Lord. Of course, their limited presence throughout the campaign meant that Arthas was still most of what you would be using.

While individually weaker, the Undead swarms really make up for it in number, as they should. While the Undead static defense has larger footprints and is therefore more clunky to use, the Nerubian tower does offer valuable frost to defense in comparison to the Human's versatile but still fairly limited defense style of 'more damage'. The Night Elf siege power is a lot greater than that of the Undead, their range advantage as well as the use of Mountain Giants makes defending a more challenging endeavour than against the Undead you usually fight, but the expendability of your Undead army means that you can use bodies as walls rather than your towers. The story is mostly intact, even with the little bit of jank one has to accept to have it work properly - but I was charmed nonetheless. I personally could not beat the final fight with the King, but this campaign is another fun little gem.

Onto the next!

 

[Resyak]

I have replayed this campaign and I have really enjoyed it, much more than the first time so it is only fair to update the score.

 

[VanAndro]

I don't remember much of what this series looked like in the beginning but the way it looks now....it's definitely a New though familiar campaign.

New character abilities, sound effects when using special skills, new units, icons, battles etc. Not only the races have been changed, but also the terrain. The way the cues are reworked is very funny and original. I've played standard ROC and TFT at least 10 times and know them pretty well. Maybe that's why everything seems very interesting and well done to me now. I have nothing to complain about.

Bugs do happen though, like the one in the 30 minute city defense level. If you want to play fair you can restart the level and Jayna won't be there. But if you try to deliberately pediscall this bug I think it will be almost impossible.



The Lich King fight gave me a hard time and it took me a few restarts to figure out the mechanics. I am very pleased. Excellent alt campaign and excellent work. Thank you so much.

In case Xetanth87's instruction on constant Hard difficulty was a little confusing: you only need to do this once but every time you run Wc3 to continue the campaign after selecting it in the campaign list select Hard mode from below. Otherwise, the first mission you run will be on Normal difficulty even if you restart it afterwards.

 

[Xetanth87]

I don't remember much of what this series looked like in the beginning but the way it looks now....it's definitely a New though familiar campaign.

New character abilities, sound effects when using special skills, new units, icons, battles etc. Not only the races have been changed, but also the terrain. The way the cues are reworked is very funny and original. I've played standard ROC and TFT at least 10 times and know them pretty well. Maybe that's why everything seems very interesting and well done to me now. I have nothing to complain about.

Bugs do happen though, like the one in the 30 minute city defense level. If you want to play fair you can restart the level and Jayna won't be there. But if you try to deliberately pediscall this bug I think it will be almost impossible.

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The Lich King fight gave me a hard time and it took me a few restarts to figure out the mechanics. I am very pleased. Excellent alt campaign and excellent work. Thank you so much.

In case Xetanth87's instruction on constant Hard difficulty was a little confusing: you only need to do this once but every time you run Wc3 to continue the campaign after selecting it in the campaign list select Hard mode from below. Otherwise, the first mission you run will be on Normal difficulty even if you restart it afterwards.

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How did you manage to get Jaina in chapter 5? Never seen it happen before. Not even in the original

 

[VanAndro]

How did you manage to get Jaina in chapter 5? Never seen it happen before. Not even in the original

I didn't just get Jaina, I got Jaina + 4 game units with her! And the reason - I just skip the cutscene at restart of the level.

 

[mym]

5, An enjoyable good adaptation

Waiting for the Night elf campaign adaptation.