Warcraft 4 Mod?

[Fulla]

WARCRAFT 4

Just thought i'd open up the discussion of their being a warcraft 4 type mod within the sc2 engine.
No dought there will be many new advancements that will enable much better gameplay, but ofcourse there could be drawbacks, such as no Heroes/Items potential within sc2?

Regardless what would you like to see in a warcraft 4 mod, Gameplay Wise were it ever to come out.

Stuff id like to see:

• More Racial Heroes
  Would also be nice if they were all generally created/designed so any of them can potentially be a decent 1st Hero, as current war3 tends to favour certain heroes.

• More Diverse Neutral Heroes
  * More Auras (Currently not even one :-()
  * More Unique passives (Just like - Drunken Brawler & Cleave)
  * Less repetitive abilities (e.g. the many AoE's, Rain of Fire, Breath of Fire, Forked Lightning, Cluster Rockets 'Yawn')

• Units can levelup
  A nice way of rewarding players for tier1 units the've struggeled to keep alive. I think giving them abilities to learn would be a bit over the top, but minor bonuses, and perhaps a final passive ability for if they reach max level.
  Perhaps tier units could be capped at lvl3, tier 2 at lvl4, tier 3 at lvl5?

• More 'tactics/micro' on Core Units
  More units could gain 'stance' abilities similiar to Defend/Beserk/Shadow Meld
  Rifleman, could have a 'Snipe' ability, disabling movement, but gives a bonus
  Grunts, could have a 'Beserker/Defensive' stance
  Knights, could have a 'Charge' ability (Similair to what Zealots are getting in sc2).
  etc. etc.

• More UpgradesId like tosee more upgrades, especially on the Main Buildings.
  I'd especially like to see upgrades that can improve your economy

Any other ideas?

Hopefully if we get some good feedback on this I can update this thread with everyones suggestions in an easy to read list.

 

[ragingspeedhorn]

I was actually thinking of starting such a mod myself.

 

[PurplePoot]

An RPG for the whole family? -.-

 

[Fulla]

I was actually thinking of starting such a mod myself.

Hehe, so did you have any ideas on expanding on the current war3 gameplay?

 

[ragingspeedhorn]

It would basicly be taking all what is good from Sc2, all that is good from Wc3 and whatever else that might be awesome and then create a story about what I would say would happen after the end of Wc3, some years or something later.

 

[Elenai]

I would like to see a Warcraft mod for Starcraft. If someone can create a good one that is well executed. I think it would be quite Epic.

 

[DesKaladA]

heay people
i spent some time doing stuff like this
so i want to help with this
since once its releaced
there will need to be

1. a system of 1 campaines or a SEMPQ drafting update

also once things take off on my avast project and rageingspeedhorn finaly follows up on his poromesses to me i would be glad to help/wright some of the lore

 

[Mor)L(unE]

IL keep myself busy with lore!

 

[Elenai]

As will I......I love lore.

 

[Fulla]

Ok so, id assume it would be set just after or during WoW?
What races would we have?

- Human
- Orc
- Night Elf
- Undead

- Burning Legion ?
- Blood Elf/Naga?

What Heroes/Units would we now have, as e.g. Blood Elf are no longer with Humans.

 

[ragingspeedhorn]

The tech tree should be changed around a lot, to make it seem more new and exciting. Also of races I would say the Undead should not really be followed much, but perhaps have more focus on Naga.

 

[DesKaladA]

i agree
in war3 the naga were just there
also in the night elf campin they said "we were the high born"

 

[Fulla]

Problem with Naga is they are Aquatic, so strange to seem them becoming a full blown land based race.
Thats why I'd recommend making Blood Elfs a primary with some Naga as secondary support in there, just like how Human had some Blood Elf/Dwarfs in with them.
(Ghomes could fill in for the Blood Elfs for Human).

Im pretty sure Blood Elf + Naga both originate from the 'High Born'. They went there own way's after the Sageras assult 10k years ago.

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So anyways what Naga Heroes would we have then?
Sea Witch is a given, any others?

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I also agree with raging, I think the techtree could be fiddeled with heavily.
Especially IMO, the casters & there spells.

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Undead should they be the Scourge or the Forsaken?
Both offer different heroes & units.

 

[ragingspeedhorn]

I am not that much up to date with the lore so whatever of the 2, Scourge or Forsaken, that would have the best possibility for a good storyline should be chosen, perhaps switch a bit between the 2 in that campaign.

 

[Kwaliti]

Well, you better do it quick before Blizzard rapes some more Warcraft lore after SC2 comes out.

 

[Mechanical Man]

I can immagine now another Project Revolution working on the mod which won't be finished even when warcraft 4 comes out

 

[Fulla]

I can immagine now another Project Revolution working on the mod which won't be finished even when warcraft 4 comes out

lol yea, I know what you mean

 

[Dr Super Good]

It would be nice from the recouce point of view. But I dought you will get the models needed, considering SC2 models need 3-5 times the work WC3 ones need and that you are not allowed by copyright to base them on WC3 models and enhance them (all have to be made from scratch).

 

[Fulla]

Well the thread was more just for what you would like to see & less if its possible .

Stuff like what new Heroes youd like to see within the current races?
e.g. Humans could get a new Ghnome Caster Hero replacing the Blood Mage

What new Neutral heroes youd like to see?
- Pitlord could go towards a Burning Legion race
- Sea Witch towards a Blood Elf/Naga race
etc. etc., leaves some spaces open.

 

[Dr Super Good]

The undead get a lich general, which basicly would have the same moves as the lich king in the campiagns.

 

[DesKaladA]

Oh and there needs to be a heaver infulence on goblin in this

 

[Fulla]

They always tended to play the Neutral Shop Keepers & the odd Neutral Hero

 

[ragingspeedhorn]

They should definetly not be a race, but perhaps have a bigger significance (spelling?) plot wise.

 

[Dil999]

I say it continue from TFT, ignoring WoW.
Races:
Blood Elf/Naga
Undead
Orc
Night Elf
?Human?

 

[PurplePoot]

I like how everyone ignored my earlier post

Anyways, erm... is this just gonna be another PR?

Also, Draenei are Win. So are Goblins. Why not make them whole races.

Oh, and high elves! And dwarves!

(Ofc you have to narrow it down a bit, but hrm... at least one or two of those should be added, probably)

 

[Blackveiled]

If you ask me, I wouldn't even bother making a Wc4 Mod for SC2, because heres the reason, you would have to do all 4 warcraft 3 races, and well...Thats alot of work. The starcraft mod took long and it has like, 3x less more models than wc3 has, and the models had to be handmade ;P

But I would be impressed if i got a glimpse of a decent wc4 mod. But I REALLY would love to see a Warcraft 4 with the same systems as Age of Empires 3, if you havent played Age of Empires 3, then you wouldn't be familiar with what they make, and by what I've heard Starcraft II also has a havoc system ;D

 

[PurplePoot]

Havok is just a physics engine.

Anyhow, StarCraft's three races are much harder to do than WarCraft's four; StarCraft had many less-noticeable, but very important, features of units, as well as more complex units such as the Carrier.

This kind of project always fails, sadly, though.

 

[Fulla]

Yea I dought a mod like this would ever get made or atleast finished.
But anyways just wanted to hear what u'd like to see in war4 .

So how about this, 6 races>>

- Human - (Humans, Dwarves, Ghomes) (Dranei maybe?)
- Orc - (Orcs, Trolls, Taurens)
- Undead - (Lich King's army)
- Night Elf - (Night Elves, & other Forest Folk)
- Blood Elf - (Blood Elves, Naga)
- Burning Legion - (Demons)

 

[Dr Super Good]

I say stick to 4 races would be best, the more there are, the harder it is to ballence and use.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

You do realise this project would mean a complete conversion? And a hell of a lot of models and skins and other stuff?

 

[Fulla]

Yea yea but, ss I keep saying, this thread was meant to be more what you would like to 'have seen' in a war4 mod.

You never know thou, blizz may add a few war3 models for 'laughs' in the campaigns, just like a Hydralisk in the RoC human first level.
We got a zergling and marine aswell didnt we .

 

[FamousPker49]

I think this would be a sweet idea, and if we had enough people with the correct range of skills, it could be pulled off, but of course not without a little elbow grease, but I would love to see it happen and be glad to help

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

(I am seriously considering making a Halo mod)

 

[Massive_attack]

Warcraft should stay in Wc3 and WoW, if i want Wc3 ill play Wc3, i couldnt care less about Wc4 for SC2. Bad idea IMHO.

 

[Gausslander]

Jesus, why? Just wait for Heart of the Storm people, that will blow any Warcraft 4 mod out of the water.

 

[Fulla]

ROAR!!

I was hoping to see more what ideas ppl had for a war4 mod, instead the thread seems to be going more in the direction
Is a war4 mod possible?
Would you want to see a war4 mod?

 

[WerBackIII]

This will kill WC3.

 

[Kimbo]

This will kill WC3.

define "kill" for me.

 

[Kwaliti]

Kill /kil'/ A word defining removal of life force non voluntarily. In this case, removing all players from Warcraft 3.

 

[WerBackIII]

Wanna blow something up?

This will totaly blow WC3, will destroy all mods and maps for it, the game will be forgotten!


^Crosspost!

 

[Kimbo]

You think too FAR ahead, at least by 5 or 10 years.

 

[WerBackIII]

Well, some games last forever!

See Tzar? Released in 2001 and I just can say that if it wasn't Tzar, WC3 will never showed up!

See Civilization? EVERY game of the series is played, eventhought that there are currently 4 parts, Civ1 is played as well as Civ4, and Civ3 as the biggest community! (Civ1 is released in 1992, Civ3 (which I'm playing) is from 2001)

 

[Dr Super Good]

CIV 4 actually is more popular than CIV 3 for a great list of good reasons, like better multiplayer and 3D and also overall better civ like gameplay (no having to cutback due to pollution lategame)

Daiblo II is a better example.

 

[WerBackIII]

Join forums.civfanatics.com and ya'll see who owns and who doesn't.
However, even if Civ4 is better, there are lots of modders who continue their work on Civ3 and start new mods and scenarios!

 

[MGCǂSpectre]

With war3 I wanted to make a futuristic map, making blank not only all stats of units I woudln't use but changing interface, skins. Still, there are traces of war3 and the whole thing takes A LOT of time. SC2 is already good for that kind of maps. If you make a war3 map in sc2, it will be as hard. We did non-fantasy things because war3 was the best engine so far, but now that war3 can still offer a lot, imo war3 should stay in war3 just like sc2 should stay in sc2. What are orcs, demons, elves going to do in space? oO

 

[Fulla]

You'd obviously also make the terrain/tilesets into the war3 atmosphere.

 

[LordDz]

With war3 I wanted to make a futuristic map, making blank not only all stats of units I woudln't use but changing interface, skins. Still, there are traces of war3 and the whole thing takes A LOT of time. SC2 is already good for that kind of maps. If you make a war3 map in sc2, it will be as hard. We did non-fantasy things because war3 was the best engine so far, but now that war3 can still offer a lot, imo war3 should stay in war3 just like sc2 should stay in sc2. What are orcs, demons, elves going to do in space? oO

So maps like Starship troopers , minigunners, etc didn't mean a thing?

Sure we will see Lotr clones in SC2 of course, maybe even another fire,lighting,hot,sexy,beer-maul?

 

[Hawkwing]

Deffinatley.. someone should make a Warcraft IV mod...

Try a new spell system maybe.. Im using a new one for my campaign...

----Spell-----------Requirements
Normal Rank 1 – Level 1
Normal Rank 2 – Level 3
Normal Rank 3 – Level 5
Special Rank 1 – Level 6
Normal Rank 5 – Level 7
Special Rank 2 – Level 12
Ultimate Rank 1 – Level 16
Special Rank 3 – Level 18
Ultimate Rank 2 – Level 20
----Total Spells = 20--------------

 

[Jaakko]

Well, you better do it quick before Blizzard rapes some more Warcraft lore after SC2 comes out.

A game don't have to and shouldn't follow a raped lore.

 

[JetFangInferno]

im seriously in it to get more textures to use in modelling. there are only so many textures in warcraft and they're all getting old. I'd love to see new ability effects too since I love tinkering with them.