Underground Rivals

[Moderator]

17:50, 11th May 2013
Orcnet: sonofjay's review:

Well here is something you don't see everyday. For some reason the Underground theme melee is so rare but of coarse there are some god damn reason about it.

But lets go to your map. Overall the terrain layout is just simply creative with routes leading to dead ends but the way gates makes this dead end strategically important. The terrain, to be blunt, is sub-par, if a place is not empty, its just full of spammed trees, rocks and some other doodad that are all badly placed and just look unnatural. Also instead of placing the two taverns near the players base just put one tavern in the middle. About the camp drops, I actually prefer the default item table than the two table you made since the default one offer more item variations.

On its current state, it is acceptable(but most likely with a low rating) due to the fact that the terrain layout offers many strategical point that melee players will surely love, you just need to improve the terrain by placing doodads and tileset properly and some stuffs I mentioned above.

 

[Daffa]

Any specification of Gold Mines, creep amount, neutral buildings?

Sending SonofJay to review this one.

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

EDIT: I'm getting to much rep for this map, if you REALLY WANT TO REP ME (Is it cause I rep others a lot?). Please rep my posts in the map pending section instead

EDIT2: I'd rate this map 3/5 :3

 

[Daffa]

Yes, just update it, list the info I mention on my first post and add screenshot of the map, anyway, SoJ will check the map (if he interested)

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

Okay, but your a moderator also?

Im going to play against AI this time.

 

[Daffa]

I'm not a mod, only a reviewer, wait until Orcnet drop here, he's the mod

 

[sonofjay]

Well here is something you don't see everyday. For some reason the Underground theme melee is so rare but of coarse there are some god damn reason about it.

But lets go to your map. Overall the terrain layout is just simply creative with routes leading to dead ends but the way gates makes this dead end strategically important. The terrain, to be blunt, is sub-par, if a place is not empty, its just full of spammed trees, rocks and some other doodad that are all badly placed and just look unnatural. Also instead of placing the two taverns near the players base just put one tavern in the middle. About the camp drops, I actually prefer the default item table than the two table you made since the default one offer more item variations.

On its current state, it is acceptable(but most likely with a low rating) due to the fact that the terrain layout offers many strategical point that melee players will surely love, you just need to improve the terrain by placing doodads and tileset properly and some stuffs I mentioned above.

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

Thanks SoJ. I will try to make the changes but not too soon. There aren't a lot of underground doodads, and environmental doodads. Rocks, mushrooms, and craters. That's all...

Thanks for reviewing my first uploaded map on hive.

SCN out fellow bees.

 

[I_am_Death]

maybe there are too many way gates in this game

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

maybe there are too many way gates in this game

When you mean destructable gates, I have none due to the AI not being able to destroy gates.

But if you are referring to waygates, yes there are a larger amount for a 1v1 map. Although SoJ said dead ends and waygates are essential, that is partially true. Way gates are the easiest way across in the beggining. The dead ends arent dead ends, they can be an easier route to your enemy.

 

[Twilight]

Map is fine I give 4/5

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

Thanks for rating

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

Thank you. The review was very specific on what I needed.

Will try to fix when I am not busy.

PS. Doad is spelled doodad

 

[TheLightbringer]

Interestingly enough, I loved the mapping.

 

[salukage]

Yeah well, The Map deserves 4.5. it fulfills all the playing requirements of a melee map It was underground warcraft melee map, new and fun to play one on one.the doodad placement was scrambled at some places other than that you have managed to make good melee map.

 

[Vinz]

Rated due to downrate

 

[cesclame]

Why are they not any screenshot?

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

Why are they not any screenshot?

It's because the map is from a different era where they were not enforced.

 

[Vinz]

Here are some screenshots if ok

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

Just saying, I would personally rate this map a three ^^
I made this over a year ago.

 

[Remixer]

Sorry StoPCampinGn00b but it hurts my eyes. Do you want me to review this?

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

Sorry StoPCampinGn00b but it hurts my eyes.

As it does mine.

Do you want me to review this?

I'd have to give an affirmative no. Reason being is I don't have the time to fix the map and I'd rather you review pending maps. I already know how low quality the map is :]

 

[deepstrasz]

A quite impressive melee map.

Maybe, minor things:
-terrain is pretty flat
-some creeps are wrongly placed: the Kobolds in the north near the Mana Fountain (for example)
-spikes can be attacked
-there's a narrow place near the Wildkins, through where workers and small units may pass (not sure if intended or not)
-the Wildkin boss (south) and the Golem boss (middle) dropped a Glyph of Omniscience (that reveals the whole map; too advantageous; change it with a Watcher Ward)
-the Fountain of Health will give a great advantage to those whom will train biological aerial units

-somehow it feels like a Counter-Strike map. It's pretty innovative with those long lanes, that ziggurat shape and those Way Gates (especially for rush tactics; the Way Gates that almost directly lead to Gold Mines, ruin the idea of having to cut the trees to reach them, but not for night elves)
-I don't think Goblin Observatories is a good idea for this map (it cuts the surprise element out). I'd replace them with either Mercenary Camps (because of the quick need for units to face the Neutral Hostile creeps that mostly block paths; that means their location should also be nigher to the players or at least to the expansion sites) or Merchant Shops

It seems, it's your only map too.

 

[Zordrak]

I test it now