Toodaloo, Hive.

[Ash]

I'll be taking a short break from the hive, just to give myself time to get a breather and return to the Ash I was a month or so ago, but when I come back I can only hope that changes will be in full swing.

EDIT: Well, a moderator feels content to not let me have my own public opinion, with that being the case, I can't post my speech here. You can read below the comments that were left, and hopefully grasp a small idea of what it was about.

 

[~Void~]

Oh dear, the moderators are dropping like flies!

Seriously, this shouldn't be the end... I like hive too much for it to die

Bai ash.

 

[Ash]

As nice as saying bye is, I'd rather you say something constructive that can help the hive, or nothing at all.

 

[FamousPker49]

As Rising_Dusk said in the other thread, what the site needs is a purging, and moderators that are good at what they do should have no worries regaining their positions afterward.

 

[Asomath]

Alright, Im gonna read through that in a moment, and Edit this post to give my criticism. However, first, I will say personally, you were another great moderator, who ruled the realm of Criticism with an Iron Fist! Fair yet stern. Alright, imma read through these points.

~Asomath
Edit: What the? You deleted all those valid points! Oh well, I guess you wanted to keep this thread from going to an argument. Very well, I wont doubt your judgment, or state my views on them.

 

[Elenai]

Toodles Ash, see you in the future...most likely.

(By the way, I'm preparing a solution as we speak)

 

[MasterHaosis]

Hmm... no comment this time bad things happened but you didn't say anything of them. only few issues. I heard different story, something happened and many people resigned, like PurplePoot, Kimberly, HappyTauren, you (but I only heard its not 100% correct). What exactly happened only few people know. Like I said in chat, suddenly few people who are long time here to resign in same time, well something bad should happen between stuff then...

 

[Traxamillion]

QFT



Ash..you will be missed good buddy..

I will speak with you on MSN.

Best of luck.

-Trax

 

[Asomath]

Wait, WHAT!!! Kimberly and HT are gone too? What, those are a few of the Moderaters I could actually call decent!!!
AGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

~Asomath

 

[~Void~]

As nice as saying bye is, I'd rather you say something constructive that can help the hive, or nothing at all.

I made a thread in admin contact.

 

[brad.dude03]

Knew it was gonna happen.

Bye Ash, see you on MSN I expect.

 

[Just_Spectating]

well i guess this site goes down for a while or in chaos with a bunch of rule breaking Nubs!


well, never really knew Ash, but farewell and hope to see you in a month or 2. . . .

 

[Hakeem]

As with the others, I will not say goodbye as you aren't really leaving.

At least you are optimistic about changes though. Thanks for that.

 

[Steel_Stallion]

Guys, he just said he's coming back after a break. Wtf is with the Goodbye's?

 

[ragingspeedhorn]

BYE4EVER Ash!!!!

 

[lord_ken]

Damnit, Another moderator just got caught in the net of RL.

Bai Ash!

 

[Masiah]

Farewell.

 

[benx_x]

Good luck, enjoy yourself.

 

[Squiggy]

Noes..

 

[HappyTauren]

have lots of hookers and drinks, ash.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

So you're going to wait until the staff can sort itself out, then "come back" and offer your services once more when the hard part's been taken care of already? Nice.

 

[Ash]

I'd reply with something constructive, however I'm sure it'd be censored in no time.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

It's not like I'm sitting here waiting for the computer next to me to finish compiling some code or anything. Stop whining about everything and just say what you mean. Seriously, where's that headstrong guy I thought was awesome when I first joined chat?

 

[Oziris]

Damn were are running out of moderetors.Bye Ash we will miss u!

 

[Ash]

It's not like I'm sitting here waiting for the computer next to me to finish compiling some code or anything. Stop whining about everything and just say what you mean. Seriously, where's that headstrong guy I thought was awesome when I first joined chat?

He's still here, and his comments are repeatedly being edited down by moderators after they're posted.

 

[ragingspeedhorn]

I smell Ghan involvement.

 

[~Void~]

It's not like I'm sitting here waiting for the computer next to me to finish compiling some code or anything. Stop whining about everything and just say what you mean. Seriously, where's that headstrong guy I thought was awesome when I first joined chat?

He already wrote a HUGE post (like a whole page) on everything but someone took it down. That would be rather discouraging if you ask me.

I smell Ghan involvement.

I sure hope it isn't. Whatever idiot is doing that should show their face and actually let us see WHO is editing the posts, instead of hiding. Seriously, to whoever doing that, it's such a lame thing to do. Whoever is doing that doesn't deserve to be in the position they hold, at all.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

He already wrote a HUGE post (like a whole page) on everything but someone took it down. That would be rather discouraging if you ask me.

I realize that now, he PM'd me the post. If Poot was allowed to keep his "last words" I see no reason that Ash was denied the same right. Whoever is "censoring" this thread needs to man up. You have a problem with what was said? Bring it to the table.

 

[FamousPker49]

Samuraid edited it.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

While I understand the desire to "keep the opinions out of it" while the site "undergoes changes," ninja editing someone's entire post away is about the most surefire way to make sure the user never want to have anything to do with the staff ever again.

 

[Gausslander]

Oh these threads are quite pointless IMO... especially when it's taking a short break. The fact that anyone cares so much that he's taking a short break astounds me, what'd he say? "A quick breather." Wow. Or that's what the moderator put there anyway... well if you wish you could send me the full post so I could get a more accurate grasp on this situation, PM it to me, or what have you. My MSN is in my profile page I believe.

All of you (including Ash) need to realize this is a website of tens of thousands of members, plenty of which that are knowledgeable enough to become moderators, relax, sit, and enjoy.

 

[HappyTauren]

Yep. Awesome how lots of us resigned in the same time It is like new serial to THW. New staff.

 

[Gausslander]

Not really awesome, it just shows you that you desire the hive to become a clusterfuck due to your completely ignorant and lazy decision.

 

[FamousPker49]

What's pointless is your post about saying how useless these threads are. If you do not like a job, and wish to quit, it is not being lazy or ignorant, it is making a mature decision. Especially on THW. If they don't want to be doing their jobs, then their execution will be piss poor, much like your attitude.

If they want to quit, that is their perogative, and it is much better than having a lazy moderator in service. This gives other users a chance to prove themselves and hopefully better the Hive.

@Rising_Dusk: Well, I have noticed that during this times, the staff has taken it upon themselves to just squelch any opinions that could potentially change things.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

All of you (including Ash) need to realize this is a website of tens of thousands of members, plenty of which that are knowledgeable enough to become moderators

Can I see these unicorns?

 

[Elenai]

I would like to know where they have been hiding as well...

 

[Steel_Stallion]

omg i r gud modarater candydate.

But seriously, I don't see much reason to have posts censored. Whats the point? Are you actually expecting to stop something from happening?

Shit, you think things can get any worse from a complain post?

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

They censored it because they felt your opinions were shit and decided to discuss this in the Mod Lobby instead, where Ash can't see his own thread.

 

[Samuraid]

They censored it because they felt your opinions were shit and decided to discuss this in the Mod Lobby instead, where Ash can't see his own thread.

I disagree. So far, there have been a number of true and important and relevant ideas posted. I can't say I agree with everything, but many things have been pointed out that are definitely right and in need of change.

Yet why did the post go to the mod forum only, you ask?
- It was addressed to the moderators and staff, and relevant to them.
- Many people here have shown time and time again (even staff, even us administrators!) that discussing things rampantly in large groups without some semblance of order rarely accomplishes anything productive.

In other times and other situations, perhaps Ash's post would have remained in the public eye. But right now? Well, you may look at many other discussion threads on recent similar topics and try to ascertain the important/true/logical points in them. Try to take a guess what percentage of the posts in those threads contain truly helpful information; the percentage tends to be smaller and harder to find.

If you disagree with this, so be it. You are welcome to disagree. However, in my shoes I guarantee you would see the gravity of this and how difficult such situations can be.

Thanks for your continued support. Please Hive responsibly.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

- It was addressed to the moderators and staff, and relevant to them.

Okay, but this

- Many people here have shown time and time again (even staff, even us administrators!) that discussing things rampantly in large groups without some semblance of order rarely accomplishes anything productive.

Sort of ruins the point of site discussion in the first place, doesn't it?

A more valid reasoning would be "criticism of other users is best handled in a more controlled environment", which I guess I could accept.

 

[~Void~]

I disagree. So far, there have been a number of true and important and relevant ideas posted. I can't say I agree with everything, but many things have been pointed out that are definitely right and in need of change.

Yet why did the post go to the mod forum only, you ask?
- It was addressed to the moderators and staff, and relevant to them.
- Many people here have shown time and time again (even staff, even us administrators!) that discussing things rampantly in large groups without some semblance of order rarely accomplishes anything productive.

In other times and other situations, perhaps Ash's post would have remained in the public eye. But right now? Well, you may look at many other discussion threads on recent similar topics and try to ascertain the important/true/logical points in them. Try to take a guess what percentage of the posts in those threads contain truly helpful information; the percentage tends to be smaller and harder to find.

If you disagree with this, so be it. You are welcome to disagree. However, in my shoes I guarantee you would see the gravity of this and how difficult such situations can be.

Thanks for your continued support. Please Hive responsibly.

I agree totally. Public discussions on things like this do cause a lot of spam. Sorry again for the harsh response earlier, I didn't know you had moved the posts instead of deleting them (because I can't see the moderator forums )

 

[Ash]

Nor can I.

I was informed, but my efforts at actually being able to see my post have been, as of yet, fruitless.

 

[PurplePoot]

I realize that now, he PM'd me the post. If Poot was allowed to keep his "last words" I see no reason that Ash was denied the same right. Whoever is "censoring" this thread needs to man up. You have a problem with what was said? Bring it to the table.

I requested mine taken down two days ago for this reason, but for whatever reason it wasn't (I assume since it's closed already? I don't know...).

Anyhow, Samuraid does have a point in that my thread turned into 5 pages of unproductivity and then filled with spam to the point of needing a close.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

So keep everyone from knowing what's going on with the site's staff because a few people are incompetent, claim they want to stay on-topic, and then drive it further into oblivion. This is a site discussion forum, if people are not allowed to discuss the site because some idiots send it off-topic, there's a serious problem. Really, isn't this supposed to be moderated? Why can't OT posts just get deleted? No harm done!

 

[~Void~]

The staff will surely inform us when they are ready.

 

[PurplePoot]

So keep everyone from knowing what's going on with the site's staff because a few people are incompetent, claim they want to stay on-topic, and then drive it further into oblivion. This is a site discussion forum, if people are not allowed to discuss the site because some idiots send it off-topic, there's a serious problem. Really, isn't this supposed to be moderated? Why can't OT posts just get deleted? No harm done!

I think the problem is that pretty much no one stays on topic, but yes, it should preferably control discussion rather than toss it in the can altogether.

 

[frostwhisper]

Funny how intelligent users get totally blocked from giving their criticism towards the staff.

It's times like this that I'm happy people like Hakeem and MSBB became mods in the first place. That way the voice of reason, though weak, stands. Or so I hope.

See ya Ash, stop by Skype/Hivechat/TS at any time. You know I'll probably be there

 

[Vegavak]

So keep everyone from knowing what's going on with the site's staff because a few people are incompetent, claim they want to stay on-topic, and then drive it further into oblivion. This is a site discussion forum, if people are not allowed to discuss the site because some idiots send it off-topic, there's a serious problem. Really, isn't this supposed to be moderated? Why can't OT posts just get deleted? No harm done!

I'll quote this for emphasis. Closing threads instead of deleting the off-topic responses is an underhanded way to silence someone.

 

[Sansui]

Nah an underhanded method is editing their posts and global ignoring them...
Oh wait the staff does both.

 

[PitzerMike]

dorks