The Hobbit

[Moderator]

08:07, 5th Jul 2014
Orcnet:

You did a fair/good job of making a nice risk genre map even though you stop the project for time, since this is made for as a template the idea of making shire quite near to isengard and an orcish settlement while not having bree or that huge hobbit farm field is kinda out of the lane. Lore-wise the Evil team looks like to have more domination rather than the good ones. Yet its your game and idea.

Terrain is kinda simple no much strong design for the map's atmosphere, though you could atleast make it look nice as similar to the game BFME1/2.

Anyhow can be approved.

 

[noob]

The lights effects looks epic and are in fact beyond epic as WC3 engine have horrible limitations on light effects

 

[Valandil]

screenshots are ugly, why dont you take a picture of in game camera ?

 

[DUTY OF RS]

Umm, thanks noob.

Well, if you think if the screenshots dont looks good then i dont know...
Its not a gameplay, its a template if you know what it is. I have just added dozens of custom things in it.

 

[Valandil]

Umm, thanks noob.

Well, if you think if the screenshots dont looks good then i dont know...
Its not a gameplay, its a template if you know what it is. I have just added dozens of custom things in it.

it is tamplate, but why? make some in game screens please !

 

[JCarrill0]

defiantly interesting

 

[DUTY OF RS]

''it is tamplate, but why? make some in game screens please !''

-Its a template because i didnt got the skills in triggering to finish the map. If i knew how the triggers were i could have done it. And i can give u some in-game screenshots soon.



''defiantly interesting''

-Hope you have joy of it!

 

[Valandil]

-Its a template because i didnt got the skills in triggering to finish the map. If i knew how the triggers were i could have done it. And i can give u some in-game screenshots soon.

just ask help, there are many people who will give you a hand and there is some thread where you can study triggers just search, good luck !

 

[DUTY OF RS]

''just ask help, there are many people who will give you a hand and there is some thread where you can study triggers just search, good luck !''

-Its over a year ago i started creating this map. My goal was to create 3 maps. like from the hobbit 1-2 & 3. But ofcourse i did search and tried find help for soooo long. But i gave up, no one in this community wanted to help me, so yeah. Its a good enough Template.

 

[chilla_killa]

All in all this template is nice, but there are some flaws, especially in the terrain.
I made some screenshots to give you some feedback.

What strikes me the most is the fact, you spam a lot of doodads. I mean you just place a lot of them on the same spot and that is bad and looks ugly. It's an expression of lazyness.
Let me show you some examples:

Spammed Doodads

Sometimes more is less, do more variation and place doodads with heart and brain, so it looks more natural.

I also can't understand your choice of custom tree models. These are by far the ugliest and unfitting that I ever saw. There are so beautiful trees in UTM, with much higher quality, you should check that out.

Ugly Spammed Trees

Another problem I see is your way of doing tile variation.
Sometimes you do it, sometimes not. But if you do it, you often do it wrong.
Let me show you a bad example:

Bad Tile Variation

In my opinion single tile "blocks" look very unnatural and ugly.
Please make tile variation with bigger parts. I hope you know what I mean.

At other places you do no tile variation at all, which is bad, too:

Lack of Tile Variation

Here you should also add more doodads like bushes, stones etc to make it look more like a living, natural forest.

Let's have a look at this desert / plain:

Messy Desert

It totally lacks tile variation, there are no stones and the choice of trees doesn't fit in. Also look at the left upper corner, these trees are aranged so unnatural and for it's a pain in the eye.

And what about Saruman's tower or what it is:

Tower Environment

The barren trees don't fit at all. There should be better some dead rotten trees with grey or black colour.
Also the red rocks and shrubs don't look good next to the black tower.

And look here, corn on concrete/stone? It's the small details that count.

Corn on Rocks?

I just gave you a general idea where you could improve your terraining. I can't go into every single detail.

Ah and what the hell is going on with this Ring of Power import?
The two textures are over 1 MB in filesize. You should always care about the map size and import only files with acceptable file size.
You also MUST give credits to the creators of your imported models!!


I hope this helps you and you don't feel offended, but I just say my opinion and want yoi help improving.

 

[DUTY OF RS]

''What strikes me the most is the fact, you spam a lot of doodads. I mean you just place a lot of them on the same spot and that is bad and looks ugly. It's an expression of lazyness.
Let me show you some examples.''

-Yes i know i have been spammed a lot of doodas. But i haven't done it because i like spamming (wich i dont.) But if you seen in the first minute where they were at the Hobbit Village, you can see its a lot of things around there. But i can go trough it and look if its something to remove.


''Sometimes more is less, do more variation and place doodads with heart and brain, so it looks more natural.
I also can't understand your choice of custom tree models. These are by far the ugliest and unfitting that I ever saw. There are so beautiful trees in UTM, with much higher quality, you should check that out.''

-So you say i shouldnt use custom trees? if dont, the maps looks really lame with the standard boring ones. And what is UTM?

''Another problem I see is your way of doing tile variation.
Sometimes you do it, sometimes not. But if you do it, you often do it wrong.
Let me show you a bad example.''

-Yes i can fix such things. Im much better now when i were creating this map.

''in my opinion single tile "blocks" look very unnatural and ugly.
Please make tile variation with bigger parts. I hope you know what I mean.
At other places you do no tile variation at all, which is bad, too.''

-I putted it to be only normaly grass there because its like a small forrest. And i dont think it would fit if i used dirt or something there. (i thinked about the leafes, but they are so dam dark :/.)


''Here you should also add more doodads like bushes, stones etc to make it look more like a living, natural forest.
Let's have a look at this desert /plain.''

-Yeah but it will be hard, but i see what i can do (try.).

''It totally lacks tile variation, there are no stones and the choice of trees doesn't fit in. Also look at the left upper corner, these trees are aranged so unnatural and for it's a pain in the eye.
And what about Saruman's tower or what it is.''

-I did actualy like that place, because its a ruined place. I just maked that for decoration sake.

''The barren trees don't fit at all. There should be better some dead rotten trees with grey or black colour.
Also the red rocks and shrubs don't look good next to the black tower.
And look here, corn on concrete/stone? It's the small details that count.''

-The rocks and shrubs were in last comment. (because its a ruined place.) And yeah haha the corn on the stone tile thing. I will surerly fix that.

''I just gave you a general idea where you could improve your terraining. I can't go into every single detail.
Ah and what the hell is going on with this Ring of Power import?
The two textures are over 1 MB in filesize. You should always care about the map size and import only files with acceptable file size.
You also MUST give credits to the creators of your imported models!!
I hope this helps you and you don't feel offended, but I just say my opinion and want you help improving.''

-The ring of power thing dont i remember, but i will remove it. Since i dont remember why i imported it with so massivt space. The Credits will take a lot of time since i dont remember all the originaly names of the models and things like that but i will do it. And dont worry, you didnt offend me. I love that people are reviewing my maps. Its like if no ones review or something i dont know if its good or not or if its needs improvments or something like that. But since you said ''All in all this template is nice'' What were nice? just curious .

 

[Vinz]

screenshots are ugly, why dont you take a picture of in game camera ?

Out game pictures are better than in game 99% of the time unless you are showcasing the UI and if it is the only nice thing in your map.

@creator, please rename the map creator to something similar to yours.

 

[DUTY OF RS]

asermaser is dutyofrs. i just use 2 names.

 

[chilla_killa]

UTM is the Ultimate Terraining Map with a lot of cool terraining stuff and custom models.
And there are much prettier trees

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/terrain-board-267/ultimate-terraining-map-4-0-a-252232/

 

[DUTY OF RS]

Ahh i know what the ultimate terraining map is already got it.

 

[Orcnet]

Map Approved.

 

[Footman16]

Map Approved.

I wouldn't agree. The terrain is severely lacking in my opinion. I might give a more detailed review later but for now some serious improvements are required.

 

[JCarrill0]

I wouldn't agree. The terrain is severely lacking in my opinion. I might give a more detailed review later but for now some serious improvements are required.

I have seen some far worse terrain in map that got approved.
This map appears to be working properly, there for I give it an ok to be approved.

 

[Zeatherann]

Please modify the description to not be white text, as that's the background color of one of the themes available

 

[Footman16]

I have seen some far worse terrain in map that got approved.

Yes, but this is a template therefore it's terrain is the most key feature and it's just not up to par. Also I doubt that the whole there are other maps that have been approved with worse terrain is a very bad argument. It was one I was thinking of using with my original High Elf map back when it was terrible (it still kind of is but less so) but then I realized that times have changed and that quality is something that must be upheld by not just the moderators but the map makers themselves.

 

[JCarrill0]

Yes, but this is a template therefore it's terrain is the most key feature and it's just not up to par. Also I doubt that the whole there are other maps that have been approved with worse terrain is a very bad argument. It was one I was thinking of using with my original High Elf map back when it was terrible (it still kind of is but less so) but then I realized that times have changed and that quality is something that must be upheld by not just the moderators but the map makers themselves.

OK so what your trying to say is you don;t approve of this map. I respect that, and I never said you were wrong. I merely stated the map is working, and while I have seen worse work out there approved, I see this as a map that also can be approved.

We both expressed our opinion, now it's time to move on. The map has been approved. Discussion Closed imo.

 

[Adventuring Ranger]

gonna give it a try

 

[DUTY OF RS]

Ofcourse, good luck on it