[Campaign] Tales of Silventria Mechanics Thread

[Blake8]

Also Idk what the hell Aster was doing, but due to various oversights, gameplay-wise, Zephyrs will now have the Spell Shield Ability such that they block an incomming spell every 30 seconds, while Milreavers will have 2 different kinds of critical strikes; one gives them a 30% chance to do 2x the damage, while the other gives them an 8% chance to do 8x the damage against non-hero units, I think that should sort it out, also we're taking a very different approaches to alphas....stay tuned for updates

 

[Lord Aiden]

Woa didn't see this comming

 

[ArchDuke]

Ghrenis the Cruel

[Lore]



(Lore by Colonel Aster)

This guys abilities are:

Frost nova – Unmodified

Wane – Reduces all hostile units attack by 30% and armor by 5 for 30 seconds

Critical strike – Unmodified

Vampiric Aura (Ultimate) – Restores 90% of each attack

Also the guy always carries a Necklace of spell immunity making him immune to all spells and magic attacks except for ultimates.

Note that the model for Ghrenis will be replaced once we find a more suitable knight model…

You asked what I thought, so here are some of my comments

-Ghrenis was supposed to be ice elemental based right? why doesn't he have more ice spells, maybe an ice orb, or just frosticles surrounding him simply as decorations?

-If you want him to be tough as nails I would suggest giving him hardened skin

-Very good going with the 90% vamp aura, however what about giving him a powerful multi-target spell?

-Give him a summoning spell maybe? Frost wolves?

-I like the lore so far, no need to improve there

-I'll add more if I think of anything else

 

[Rem]

@Blake8 I had a look at what was send, im in love with the new Zephyrs, they're even more perfect than before,

but the milreavers are really op-i think you wanted them this way, but still, if a player gets to build them they can not cost any less than 8 food, i mean 2 critical strike abilities, hardened skin that absorbs 6 damage, resistant skin, plus 50-70 normal damage, ye theres op for you

great work for the mountanous map btw

what did you have in mind for the new alphas????

 

[Blake8]

@Purifier

Great suggestions, he is already tough as nails though, don't think he'll be needing hardened skin though, as far as more ice spells I was thinking of that too, perhaps I'll give him frost bolt, also I'll give your other ideas a thought too, thanks for the feedback.


@Rem

Yea, everyone likes the new zephyrs

Milreavers are supposed to be op like that, we're planning to create a level where you have to go against a rogue Milrein commander, and those Milreavers are precisely what will make the level so tough, the player will never get to control this OP unit, also the key to getting rid of them is bombarding them with strong offensive spells

As far as the new alpha....wait and you'll find out

 

[Rem]

O you guys are still set on creating that level. Hope itll be every bit as awesome as you imagined it!
aniway what i was really intent on saying was:

Merry Holidays Everybody!

 

[Colonel Aster]

@Blake8 Frostbolt for the 1,1 ability would be good for Ghrenis, also remember how it was originally planned to give him combat mastery (basically a better version of critical strike with added evasion) for an ultimate? Maybe instead of critical strike he can have a leveled down version of this ability, like it gives him a 10/15/20 percent chance of doing 3x damage and 8/12/16 chance to dodge an attack. Idk, just my thoughts. Also the new Milreaver is perfect for our rogue general mission....you dont know how right you were when you said that those units are precisely the reason the mission will be challenging

 

[Rem]

u guys are planning to have the computer spam Milreavers to give the player a hard time ?!

 

[Colonel Aster]

No, the computer may spam Greyguards (formally ironguards) medium melee units that can attack both ground and air targets, but Milreavers are key to this mission because all the strategically important locations will be guarded by them. Each ramp will have 3-5 Milreavers guarding it, the command posts will have several. Basically you have 100 food, about 30 food goes on units that either harvest lumber and gold or are in your base to protect it, so you have 70 food left on your attacking army. Milreavers can take out several strong units without being defeated, that's why the presence of Milreavers will matter so much.

 

[Rem]

Very interesting Aster, i have heard so much about your plans for this mission. cant wait til you guys finish it so ill finally get to play it, best of luck on this exciting endevour of yours =)

 

[Blake8]

Wow, you even got Rem excited about your rogue general mission, how far along are you in creating it so far?

 

[Colonel Aster]

Not as far as we'd like, most of the planning is done, the units are done. No terrain I'm afraid, and nothing else

 

[Blake8]

Didn't you have a half finished version of it? that would crash all the time?

 

[Colonel Aster]

Naw that was a different mission, and it wasn't half finished, the terrain was like 20% done (only the top right sector of the map was anywhere near finished)

 

[Rem]

Mission sure seems interesting, sucks that you have to start from scratch

 

[Colonel Aster]

Not exactly from scratch because we have units, the previous layout, etc. but ye, a tedious task lays ahead

 

[Rem]

Im not good with the editor-but I can try to help if you need it

 

[Colonel Aster]

Are you any good at creating triggers?

 

[Rem]

Sorry--I can however create names, maybe write lore, do very basic things in the editor

 

[Colonel Aster]

Wait but you can terrain really well right? I've seen your stuff it was good

 

[Rem]

Yes, but it takes me very long periods of time to do it because Im a perfectionist, so please don't complain that Im taking forever when I'm creating some beautiful terrain, lol

 

[Colonel Aster]

Sorry, but that's just not the type of skills I need when I'm doing this mission, you can help me write some dialogue lines for the characters but otherwise I don't believe I'll be needing your help, and I'm not saying this to be mean or upset you or anything.

 

[Blake8]

Either way she could've helped you out with pieces of terrain here and there, I understand this map is relatively plain in terms of the terrain and everything....but I'm sure she could've made things nicer

 

[Colonel Aster]

You and your politics, if she really wants to, she can ask, but there just isn't lots of things that can be made with the terrain on this particular map

 

[Lord Siler]

@Colonel Aster you could at least try to be nice, anyway some tweaks of terrain here and there wouldnt hurt one bit

 

[Blake8]

Working together is much better than completing against each other @Colonel Aster

 

[Rem]

Exactli. so much more can be accomplished if we work on things as a group, rather than just devote ourselves to personal maps

 

[deepstrasz]

Ghrenis the Cruel

[Lore]

On a crusade against what/who and why?
Well, one thing is for sure, he died if he was raised as dead. Also, who in his right mind would burn a comfy city in the middle of a frozen wasteland and no one would oppose?

Frost nova – Unmodified

What about a shorter range Frost Nova with some modifications via triggers?
Anyways, you should try your best to make spells more interesting. Keeping original/unmodified Warcraft ones isn't innovative.

 

[Blake8]

Crusade against the Thrinean alliance, a faction that no longer exists, the whole bit that he razes the city was to show how bloodthirsty/mad the crusade has made him, the point of the Lore was to give the player a pretty scary impression of who this guy is, similar to the lore of other campaigns.

We have lots of custom spells but not lots of custom ice-elemental ones, the only new ice-elemental one I can think of is called frost bomb and is based on acid bomb, and it isn't too damaging or useful. But we can always make new ice spells.

 

[ArchDuke]

@Blake8 I would suggest you give Ghrenis frost bolt, and maybe some other ice-related offensive magic, otherwise with a good model he seems pretty solid, there are a few minor improvements I could see in him, but I wont get into it unless you really wanna know

 

[Blake8]

Good to know, he might be getting a frost wolf summon since people have asked for this, however his vampiric aura, critical strike will stay

 

[ArchDuke]

His vamp aura is what makes him, him. It's not everyday you run into someone who has a vamp aura that leeches 90% of an attack and gives this to all surrounding units, I bet this guy will be such a damn pain to fight, especially since you mentioned he has that magic immunity necklace

 

[ArchDuke]

His vamp aura is what makes him, him. It's not everyday you run into someone who has a vamp aura that leeches 90% of an attack and gives this to all surrounding units, I bet this guy will be such a damn pain to fight, especially since you mentioned he has that magic immunity necklace

I completely agree with that! This guy will be a pain to fight

 

[Lord Siler]

The whole point of Ghrenis the Cruel is that he is incredibly hard to engage and stay alive after, especially if he's in a group of units. In maps where you encounter him he is pretty much the only thing that stands between you and achieving victory, that's why he's pretty damn tough

 

[Rem]

THe cinematic elements in the campaign will make it much more interesting, it wont be another "nemesis" type of creature, but rather a hunter of sorts. you guys will see what im saying when the campaign will be out or the mission released as a demo

 

[ArchDuke]

THe cinematic elements in the campaign will make it much more interesting, it wont be another "nemesis" type of creature, but rather a hunter of sorts. you guys will see what im saying when the campaign will be out or the mission released as a demo

A hunter? Are you saying this guy will hunt (aka stalk) you the whole mission?

 

[Blake8]

lol, nothing like that. I Rem meant it wasn't going to be what you expect, she just didn't phrase it right.

 

[ArchDuke]

Wait I think I sort of get it, a type of "Hunter"

You guys remember the mission "Hunter of Shadows" in WC3 - ROC

Maybe's Rem's alluding to that, it's a mission where cenarious destroys most of your base and you have to find a fountain of blood and turn into chaos orcs in order to defeat him, maybe this could be something similar???

 

[Rem]

Wow, @Purifier, you sure are good at concocting theories, no that's not what I alluded to, I never intended to allude to anything like that, Ghrenis just doesn't have his own base in many of the missions where you fight him, that's all I meant to say. You just fight him and his forces.

 

[Lord Siler]

Wait I think I sort of get it, a type of "Hunter"

You guys remember the mission "Hunter of Shadows" in WC3 - ROC

Maybe's Rem's alluding to that, it's a mission where cenarious destroys most of your base and you have to find a fountain of blood and turn into chaos orcs in order to defeat him, maybe this could be something similar???

Wow, that's one interesting idea, I'll let you get that. The Ghrenis missions are nothing like that, but this concept is very intersting, maybe we could apply it in a different mission, good job for thinking of this!

 

[deepstrasz]

Well, guys, it depends what you want the character to represent. For instance he was kind of pyromaniacal. Does he have cold spells because he died in a frozen land or because he was a cold person? Maybe you could add some fire to him as well and definitely something like Vampiric Aura to represent this insatiable murderous actions.

@Blake8 link me the overall story so I can give some feedback if you want.
I remember one of the characters being inspired by some real person you've met. What do you want to transmit with the story? Do you want to mirror people's personalities in a fantasy setting and convey whatever a life in said direction might lead to or you have a desire for empires, battles and fictive historical worlds?

 

[Rem]

From what Blake said, and he mentioned a lot, Ghrenis basically weilds only ice magic (wane is an exception) and that ice and frost basically reprenesnt his personality, thinking, etc.

 

[Blake8]

@deepstrasz @Rem @Mechanical Man and whoever else is interested, here are parts of the world map in case people are curious what the overall world of this campaign looks like

 

[Lord Siler]

Yes, Blake was quite persistent about creating a complicated world map.

 

[Colonel Aster]

I really like the world map feature. it really allows us to understand so much about the world where the campaign takes place, its a major bonus if you ask me, good job Blake

 

[Rem]

Wasn't there another map? A map of the Northwestern continent?

 

[ArchDuke]

just out of curiousity -how many continents are there in this world of yours

 

[Rem]

8 Continets, the map can be found here: [Campaign] - Tales of Silventria

 

[Blake8]

Hello guy, I just realized that this new year may keep me busy once again, I'll try to be on here but I may not get the chance due to the amount of things I have to do irl, the college classes are getting harder plus there are other things on my plate, anyway I don't wanna make this sad, or kill anyone's mood, I would like to say that @Colonel Aster and @Lord Siler are going to continiue my legacy and I will try to be on here whenever time permits

well everyone, it's been fun....

 

[Lord Aiden]

That sucks man, well good luck with college and life, and try to visit as much as possible, you'll be missed...