[Campaign] Tales of Silventria Mechanics Thread

[Lord Aiden]

You guys can come up with some concept from scratch, you seem to be geniuses at it

 

[Lord Siler]

@Lord Aiden Thanks, but it can be very hard at times, and since some people from our team are no longer around it will definitely not be easy and may take much longer

 

[Blake8]

You know you guys just gave me an idea
Can you please post some concepts for chapters (missions) as many interesting ideas as you can come up with, any decent ideas for missions are welcome

 

[Lord Aiden]

Just have a mission where you have to attack Eliver's stronghold, but because hes psychic he can detect when you're comming so your forces will always be ambushed, but the trick to winning this mission is realizing to send one patrol of troops on one road so they can be ambushed while sending the bulk of your army (after the ambush had occured) to his stronghold through a different path, just thought of this idea

 

[Lord Siler]

What about a mission where you have to survive hordes of shadows which Lord Peradale directs at you, the only way to win is to survive until dawn, so you have to defend your base for around 20 minutes, or do you think the idea is too overdone.

 

[Lord Aiden]

What if you have a hero and a few other units running from some forest fire, or something of this nature, like you have to hurry up and beat anything in your path because otherwise you'll get roast, remember there was this mission in wos where you have to run from an avalanche, well this idea is very similar.

 

[Lord Siler]

(Looks like San ain't coming)

Anyway, imagine this: first 3 Heroes are flown onto an island where they have to destroy an enemy base, then after the base is destroyed, a few peasants, footsman and archers are teleported to the location, then you have to establish a base and destroy the enemy bases on this island, I think this really has potential if you create it right.

 

[Blake8]

(Looks like San ain't coming)

Anyway, imagine this: first 3 Heroes are flown onto an island where they have to destroy an enemy base, then after the base is destroyed, a few peasants, footsman and archers are teleported to the location, then you have to establish a base and destroy the enemy bases on this island, I think this really has potential if you create it right.

Interesting ideas Siler, keep them up, and yes indeed San isn't coming

 

[Colonel Aster]

San isn't coming lol

 

[Blake8]

yep he ain't I already edited the post summoning people...

 

[Colonel Aster]

Here's my idea

You have Dioneve appear in random spots around your base and raise bands of undead to attack you, you have to catch her in the act and if you do you can fight her and win, each time you win she'll disappear and you'll have to find her again (its like a minigame) eventually after you do this 3 or more times she gets pissed goes to some location on the map and starts raising huge monsters to attack your base, once you confront her there she teleports you to a new location where you have to fight her as a boss.

 

[Lord Aiden]

Another idea:

What if Dionever raises an undead entire army and undead base against you, complete with an undead hero, and its your mission to fight through this to get to her base which should be very far from your starting location.

 

[Blake8]

@Lord Aiden Don't confuse Dioneve with Aridon, the former is a powerful necromancer, the latter is like the Lich King of Arkain
Dioneve can raise an army of undead, but her abilities have limits and her power does get exhausted from time to time

 

[Lord Aiden]

Ok, what if she's running from you and raises everything in her path to fight you, then eventually you confront and destroy her

 

[Blake8]

Just for clarification:

Dioneve as a hero isn't too powerful...her attacks are as follows

Dark arrow - 150/250/350 damage + 4/5/6 second stun
Arcane Blight - Damages nearby hostile units for 75/150/225 damage
Disempowerment Aura - Reduces enemy's attacks by 10%/20%/30%
Nightmare - Summons 4-6 Nightmare creatures

Necromancy (regular ability) - Raises the nearest fallen unit to fight for you

As a character ye she is a very powerful necromancer and can raise an army against you, but like I mentioned she isn't all powerful and invincible, she has a vile personality, she hates the player and his comrades, but she also has no real love for her allies, she's basically a lady that's pissed at the world and believes that it owes her something, also has a victim's complex, never really understanding that her actions are what cause others to loathe her and to fight against her...this being said don't portray her as the lich king or anything as she's not that powerful also please try to understand her persona, as this is the key to bringing her character to life

 

[Lord Aiden]

Very powerful but not all powerful? wtf

 

[Blake8]

I mean she's not invincible, she can't raise the fallen as much as she wants, but she's nevertheless a powerful necromancer
What I'm saying is her power isn't unlimited, she isn't the lich king or aridon from arkain,

 

[Lord Aiden]

Okay. I get it, so the mane thing about her is that she's vile as hell and wants to destroy everybody right?

 

[Colonel Aster]

I think that's what he wanted to stress, but she's not a weak hero, disempowerment aura reduces the attack of her enemies, and her arrow attack is very powerful, she might not have a great deal of hit points but she more than makes up for it with her abilities

 

[Blake8]

Ye, just remember she isn't the lich king or anything, just an evil necromancer

 

[Lord Aiden]

So what's a definite limit to her power?

 

[Blake8]

She can only control either multiple small legions of undead or one large legion (~200 troops)

How's that for an answer ?

 

[Lord Aiden]

Man. You should really make her an extensive bio, like the ones they has in WOS, it would help ALOT

 

[Colonel Aster]

I agree with Lord Aiden on his one, a good-length bio would certainly tell us a lot about the character, her background, abilities, ambitions, etc.

 

[Blake8]

I will, just give it time

 

[Lord Aiden]

I will, just give it time

You said this like a month ago, and to this day still no bio

 

[Blake8]

I'll get on that, I was busy with other things, plus making and testing abilities - an activity which is much harder and tricker than writing lore

 

[Lord Aiden]

I'll get on that, I was busy with other things, plus making and testing abilities - an activity which is much harder and tricker than writing lore

I agree. But still you could've set some time and effort aside for the lore. If the lore element is missing it takes a lot away from the campaign even if other elements are present in rich abundance.

 

[Colonel Aster]

@Lord Aiden I couldnt agree with you more

 

[Lord Aiden]

Thanks!

 

[Colonel Aster]

yup, the bios should've been created a long time ago, I just feel like they may reveal things that Blake wanted to be revealed through gameplay, so I never pushed for them

 

[Lord Aiden]

That makes perfect sense, but some form of short bio wouldn't hurt

 

[Colonel Aster]

@Blake8 As far as mission, you could make mission where you have to battle Eliver's forces, for instance they are trying to get their hands on some rare minerals or something, and its your job to secure most of these minerals before they do so, so you have to scout the map, locate the minerals and extract them yourself, in certain cases there would be an enemy base (like an orc encampment or its like) on top of the minerals so you'd have to destroy it, hows that for a mission??

 

[Blake8]

That's not the kind of chapters I had in mind, maybe that could be a secret level or something...

 

[Lord Siler]

Re-do the five towers mission, keep the grey base on the hill and the green bases blocking the path to it, but replace the rest with just outposts, the mission will be significantly easier and much funner to player, especially if you give the player access to anti-air flying units.

 

[Blake8]

lol, that mission...

It was a very good concept, just not the right execution I guess

 

[Lord Siler]

More reasons to re-do it, the 2nd time should be much easier now that you grasp what you did wrong, besides you can basically use the old map just replace some things

 

[Blake8]

If I ever redo that mission I will make it so that you start off on the bottom and the Grey base (the base you need to destroy) will be at the top of the map, and instead of the map being square it will be a rectangular shape, with the length being longer than the width, that was the problem with the old mission, you basically have to go from lower left to the upper right and it fucked some of the gameplay up big...so I cannot use the old map, plus the terrain of that map is terrible

 

[Lord Aiden]

What are you guys talking about?

 

[Blake8]

An old map that I made where you had to destroy a number of bases the final one was basically a base that only produced air units, it was a very good concept but the execution was wrong

 

[Lord Siler]

A mission made by Blake awhile ago, the goal was to destroy 5 bases (five towers) the idea was very good, you had to destroy one base before going to the next, but because of the map and the way everything was put together it turned into a terrible mission. However if the same idea is re-made it could produce completely different results...The idea is excellent and deserves another chance in my humble opinion

 

[Lord Aiden]

Interesting mission, what exactly was wrong with it

 

[Lord Siler]

@Lord Aiden

Because of the shape of the map, the terrain, the units available to the enemy and the way the ai would interact with all this it would take 3+ hours to beat, just think of chapter 4 (Lord of Shadows) of the second Arkain book except with a hero and with plenty of gold mines, but with the enemies turtling in an enclosed space which is very hard to get into, plus the enemy sending airships at you the entire time (infact I believe all the grey base did was produce airships, and that's why it was a joke to destroy when the green bases were gone)

 

[Lord Aiden]

Sounds like fun (not)

 

[Lord Siler]

One thing I really learned from that map is that the more the enemy is allowed to turtle inside an enclosed space, the harder he can be to take out

 

[Lord Siler]

@Blake8 Hey how about faerie fire as the default? Or maybe Maelstrom?

Also I checked that forum link @Razorfang or someone had included, did you know they talk so much shit about the monster that his thread gets like 6+ new pages per day?

 

[Blake8]

Rem already has a healing ability, I may try out faerie fire

Also Blaha's so full of shit, he said he was a mercenary, a reptilian alien, a high school assassin, etc. this guy has some insane issues,

 

[Lord Aiden]

Woa, "working as a merc for the former prez bill clinton, bodybuilder, reptilian shapeshifter" where did you find this guy?

 

[Lord Siler]

@Blake8 I just e-mailed you the file you were asking for in chat, the ability is 90% complete, all we need to to write the description

@Lord Aiden

 

[Lord Aiden]

Too funny...

On another note I compiled a small list of defaults for you
Purge (modified)
absorb magic
shockwave
true sight
scout
blizzard
maim
wane* <this would make her super OP
mana burn
mindwreck (jk)