Sunken Ruin's Strike v10.6

[Moderator]

Orcnet

08:38, 6th July 2013

Comment

Review

Map Approved

Sunken Ruin's Strike (Version 1.0) Rate Score Percent Letter 5/5 91-100 A Rate Score Percent Letter 4/5 81-90% B Rate Score Percent Letter 3/5 75-80% C Rate Score Percent Letter 2/5 70-74% D Rate Score Percent Letter 1/5 50-69% F Overview: Gameplay "Another cool batch of the Altered Melee Strike, I like the idea of using a concept of undead orcs as your enemy in this map but somehow I'm expecting your going to use the Sea revenants as hero base of there tech, the Naga's tidal guardian is a bit strong because it attacks too fast, please nuke it." Terrain "There's no actual change with the terrain but can be accepted and still you should credit Blizzard Entertainment for this." Management "Throughout my review, this map can be useful for those who follow your game line and adores the 'Monolith' map." Total Score: Rate Score Percent Letter 8/15 77% C

 

[UndeadImmortal]

the terrain is yours? i have the question in my mind, because an altered melee first must be approved as melee, and i dont remember to see this map before.

Blizzard made the terrain, it's from the melee map called Jungle Fever.

 

[Legal_Ease]

the terrain is yours? i have the question in my mind, because an altered melee first must be approved as melee, and i dont remember to see this map before.

Abgm, almost all my maps are altered melee on custom terrain and never approved as melee.
That said, I agree, that the same map 4 times doesn't sit well for me either. If they were really good then yes ok, make a nice map pack. But there is real room for improvement here, and I don't see it happening. I think this map should be approved based on its quality (which I think is just above passing), but how many more "strike" maps can there be?

Also description should be improved. I would like to hear about the races and which ones can be played and which are creep races. As I recall, you don't get to play the custom races. Tell me about the AI and the items... everything. More information is always a plus. This description is really short.

Legal_Ease's List of Most Useful Links: Map Submission Rules BBcode key Map Discription Templates Beginner's Guide to Map Making Text Colors Advanced Terraining Hidden Material Weapon Attachment Map Preview Screen Things GUI users should know

 

[Twilight]

Alright I will improve my description

 

[Orcnet]

Map approved, see moderator comment on top.

 

[Twilight]

Alright I will fix
And ghost race, not bad I will make ghosts race but I ll wait for other's suggestions
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Fixed Description
and

BTW I am also making Northrend Mep

 

[Eltilas]

Have not played yet, just going to.
Seems odd that Mur'guls and Naga are two different sides, while Mur'guls have been enslaved by Naga. The mining Naga are weird too.
Mb replace Mur'gols with Murlocs and add first ones like slaves to Naga.

 

[Twilight]

Well I wanted to make more races so that is why I made that why, but tanks for helping

BTW Be shure to check my older versions (Barren's Strike, Lordareon's Strike, Ashenvale's Strike)

 

[Eltilas]

Barren's Strike

That one was funny.

 

[Twilight]

Tanks and what race should I put as the fourth race
You didn't give a sugestion

 

[Eltilas]

Cause I have no idea.

 

[Twilight]

Hehe

 

[Eltilas]

Stormreaver clan if you like.

 

[Legal_Ease]

Stormreaver clan if you like.

Great idea! Also, Jungle Stalkers, goblins, trolls, ogre, or even some cat creatures like chrono-cross would fit in well.

 

[Twilight]

well OK but I alredy made a race (ghosts, like the island is haunted) but thanks anyway now I am making Dalaran's Strike, I will put it on hive today
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UPDATED v3.0

I Almost forgot, If you like this version, tell me to update Barren's Strike is you like.

 

[Twilight]

OK New Updates Tomorrow.
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Updated
-New Heros

 

[taavidude]

this map is seriously 1/5 and why? because there are no custom races i chose undead for example as my race but it still has units and buildings what are also normally in that race!

 

[Twilight]

There are custom races, team 1 is for old races, team 2 for custom. I don't undestand why this map is 1/5?

 

[Warcry12]

Map Fairly.

 

[taavidude]

There are custom races, team 1 is for old races, team 2 for custom. I don't undestand why this map is 1/5?

it was 1/5 because it didnt had custom races but i didnt know that team 2 has custom races ill try playing it again

 

[StoPCampinGn00b]

it was 1/5 because it didnt had custom races but i didnt know that team 2 has custom races ill try playing it again

Not to be harsh, but that makes no sense what so ever. Rate it before you are not done evaluating it isn't good. If you didn't know, shouldn't you not know what to rate?

1/5 for this map is not right.

EDIT: I checked out your other map twilight, so I'm not only trying to be nice

 

[Twilight]

3/5 is enough, but 1/5 that is harsh

 

[taavidude]

okay okay i think 4/5 now but there is one problem when computers use those custom races then there are some problems somewhy when i took the race that is custom it said i must build a town hall or i will be revealed and other thing is that the computers that are using custom races have too crazy AI the game was like only 20 minutes because in such a short time they had mega army already

 

[Twilight]

I know, the AI for custom races are too strong. Thanks I will fix this. +rep

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

I like these sort of maps, especially when playing with creeps (altered Monolith etc). I think several things could have been better though and some things were messy.

No custom abilities. Especially the heroes are boring. One of the Naga heroes is basically a Shadow Hunter undercover as Naga Siren.
Creep races were not really original (mainly Naga). This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but their units were not original too. Grab some custom models (especially for the Naga and Ghosts are there plenty of usefull custom models) and make totally different units with custom abilities.
No ability on the Nage Mage/Siren was automatically auto-cast (this sounds minor but it is a bit annoying when you have to check it each time you train that unit).
Items on the creep naga temple of tides had weird button postions.
Tooltips of units are incomplete, lacking info (e.g. about abilities and general usage).

Your map idea has more potential. Do more unique races like with Sea Giants etc. I would love to see that .

Also I think it would be more fun if normal races have something extra/custom too. Like 2 new units, some new upgrades and maybe even an extra tower.

 

[Twilight]

I like these sort of maps, especially when playing with creeps (altered Monolith etc). I think several things could have been better though and some things were messy.

No custom abilities. Especially the heroes are boring. One of the Naga heroes is basically a Shadow Hunter undercover as Naga Siren.
Creep races were not really original (mainly Naga). This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but their units were not original too. Grab some custom models (especially for the Naga and Ghosts are there plenty of usefull custom models) and make totally different units with custom abilities.
No ability on the Nage Mage/Siren was automatically auto-cast (this sounds minor but it is a bit annoying when you have to check it each time you train that unit).
Items on the creep naga temple of tides had weird button postions.
Tooltips of units are incomplete, lacking info (e.g. about abilities and general usage).

Your map idea has more potential. Do more unique races like with Sea Giants etc. I would love to see that .

Also I think it would be more fun if normal races have something extra/custom too. Like 2 new units, some new upgrades and maybe even an extra tower.

I will make a map that hase more than 4 custom races, I will make 3 teams, 1 team for old races, 2 for campaing races, 3 for custom. On this map I will make custom abilities, add upgrades and so on.

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

I will make a map that hase more than 4 custom races, I will make 3 teams, 1 team for old races, 2 for campaing races, 3 for custom. On this map I will make custom abilities, add upgrades and so on.

, sounds good. A nice base map for this would be Riverrun. But maybe just skip the whole campaign races idea, since many other maps already have those. I think the appeal of Monolith-like maps is that it features races that are (mostly) new with new tactics & groovy creeps. That way you can use some campaign buildings and units for your custom races. Anyway, here is some +rep to keep you motivated .

 

[Twilight]

Thanks for rep and suggestion. I will make more teams with all kinds of races.

 

[sammath]

Interesting, I'll keep tracking this map.

 

[Twilight]

Updated
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new race

 

[I_am_Death]

another new map with custom races :O
seem custom races are being regular now
P/s: this need many RAM to run swiftly, isnt it?

 

[Twilight]

This map is very old and, No this dosent need ram to run swiftly.
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Updated Description


OH and I almost Forgot, I will make stormwaver clan race, troll race and some undead race like undead jungle stalkers.
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Updated
-New Race

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

I tried the jungle stalkers and the skeleton/undead custom races (in v8). Jungle Stalkers have almost nothing (2 units and 1 hero), whats with the Jungle Stalker hate??

The skeleton/undead race is a good addition as a custom race (for some reason it is just cool to play with an army of bones ). There are definitely some things that could be improved though;

- skeleton/undead cannot buy a town portal. Seems unfair.
- needs more units.
- needs custom skeletonh heroes (e.g. like this http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/models-530/deadeye-113615/?prev=mmr%3D6%26r%3D20%26page%3D2 or this http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/models-530/skeleton-king-95759/?prev=search%3Dskeleton%26d%3Dlist%26r%3D20%26t%3D2)

Would be nice if you give all the custom race unique towers too instead of standerd ones.

Also you should really start using custom models, it make your custom races look alot better (especially for heroes).

 

[Twilight]

Thanks for suggestions, but jungle stalkers race is unfinished (noticed the race hase 1 hero and no flyers). I alredy made 2 more races. Thanks bro +rep

 

[[K40$]-Spectre]

Thanks for suggestions, but jungle stalkers race is unfinished (noticed the race hase 1 hero and no flyers). I alredy made 2 more races. Thanks bro +rep

, yeah already thought so , anyway keep it up!

ps: nice AI by the way

 

[Twilight]

Thanks ;D

 

[Freeze87]

i just tested the map and this is what i found:

- teams are called "player" and "enemys" , enemies is how need to be writed not enemys...
- man why only "enemys" team get custom race?
- I played with sceleton race and they dont have any upgrades pls add some.

-Terrain is quite good and map is interesting but you need to add few more things....more upgrades,units...etc
- Also you can add dialog on map start with names of races so player can chose custom.

4.5/5 = 5

+ rep

 

[Twilight]

Thanks freez for review, I am working on new upgrades, new abilityes for heros/units, finishing the jungle stalker race and stormever caln. +rep (Give me time to spread)
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Updated:
-Changed the team names:Outlanders/Island Stalkers
-Also New staff check changelog

 

[Twilight]

Updated, check change log, and can some one please comment, I am open to suggestions. The map must have some other bugs.

 

[Twilight]

New Update, bug fixes, the worker for jungle stalkers cauldent repair the ancients (fixed) oh and some one say that game is to short, think again last time I played was 1 hour, and hardly survived 3v2 all insane, I will show the replay, then see it for your self. BTW thanks for many downloads, map hit 1000, thanks a lot evryone, realy want to give you people some reps

 

[Binsu]

The Hive Workshop Official

Map Reviewer: Hell_Master Map Name: The Sunken Ruins v10.2 Map Author: Twilight Originality An altered melee map that has the requirements to be approved of course. I like the new races most likely the Murguls and another variations of Undead which uses Skeletons as base units. Though, you could add some more of a change to better make it such as making maybe custom items being sold at Buildings and Neutral Buildings? There are many possibilities and it is up to you which will look good! Score: 61/100 Presentation Good presentation, is quite informative though has many grammartical errors which is bad and also points for you on trying to make your own original Template for a description though you got to fix those grammatical error and maybe make it better for it still has many possibilities for improvements. Score: 56/100 Design Has no custom load screen or minimap preview image but is fine though could have accumulated more because for the good visuals. Other things such as icons, special effects, and models looks much fine and nothing is wrong. Score: 59/100 Terrain Terrain looks rather good though it could use more unique way of tile variation for a better touch at the atmosphere to be honest and also more decors at some empty points though not much at Base Points for it will be much of an inconvenience there. Score: 65/100 Triggers Nothing much to say.... triggers are well documented or arranged and looks much fine. Nothing much to judge from here. Score: 91/100 Object Data Even though its a good idea of having custom units for new races of course, some units just looks weird in many ways such as the Albatross of the Murgul Race. It has of no relation to this race and also it has no attack animation which pretty much looks weird when he attacks. I do think this is the only thing I find weird at this map. Score: 48/100 Gameplay Overall, game looks good for an altered melee and I like the idea of the new races for you recycled much of the original units of Warcraft III and compiled them to make a new race such as the Murlocs. Though even with an acceptable change to be consider as altered melee, I think it will eb much better with more changes to better make it. Score: 60/100 First, fix the grammatical errors at your Descriptions for it is really a reduction for Presentation, Second, terrain is pretty much open for improvements and I have said out my suggestions how and lastly, you might want to consider changing the Albatross to a something more that fits the race of Murguls. Final Score: 62.857/100 3/5 Vote for Approval Contact: (Visitor Message) / (Private Message) / (Map Reviewers)

 

[Twilight]

Thanks a lot hell master, I will Improve the map, and also the description, epic thanks, I am looking for new models for all races, thanks again +rep

 

[TwinBeam]

This map is very good.

 

[Twilight]

Thanks twinbeam +rep

 

[Twilight]

Can someone at least comment on my map, please

 

[Zeatlan agralem]

Nice map, but not have enought upgrade for units :/ ...

 

[Twilight]

Dont worry, Working on upgrades and also AI fixes, thanks for commenting +rep

 

[I_am_Death]

develop in to v10.5 and only 53 comments ftw

 

[Twilight]

well, I am only expecting suggestions for how to improve my map, nothing else