Starcraft II in stores in late July

[Rui]

[...] I am worried about the lack of models. I mean in war3 you have all thos creeps, and that allowed you to create anything. [...]

That's something that I forgot to mention but has been on my mind for a while. The diversity of models was a great advantage for Warcraft III.

Don't you get it?
There is no way to convert a GUI script to custom code.

By this you mean that when you start a new trigger, you either make it GUI or script from thereon? Now that's bad news. In JASS, I am used to finding certain functions with effects I need by converting GUI events, conditions or actions to code (and find their native equivalent, in case they're BJs) so I know which function to use. I'm imagining that in Galaxy's script we'll just have to search through a functionlist in the Internet and read their effects every time?

 

[Element of Water]

By this you mean that when you start a new trigger, you either make it GUI or script from thereon?

No, you simply cannot make a custom script trigger. You can see what function GUI actions call by pressing Ctrl-D (display raw data), however.

 

[HailFireer]

Like I said, SC2 could have more custom models then war3, but like Rui mentioned, war3 will probably have more diversity. War3 has creeps, which allows a lot of different races of creeps (trolls, gnolls, dragons, revenants...). SC2 Doesn't have creeps thus, most units will be Zerg, Terran or Protos oriented, except for critters.
And about 2 expansions, as I understood, they are mostly there to split the campaign. I don't really think they will have to big of an impact to map making, unlike TFT.
Again, I hope I am very, very wrong, but logic points to that direction...

 

[Azeroc]

I hope new Galaxy editor will be powerful as they say.

 

[Dr Super Good]

It is exactly as powerful as we say, cause we are beta testing the thing.

 

[Azeroc]

Still it's beta testing, maybe it will have more features when full game is released.

 

[HailFireer]

I just hope I will be able to run the thing on my pc. I managed to run Supreme Commander vanilla on everything low, and it works perfectlly on smaller maps (10x10 km). I don't think SC2 should be asking for more then Sup Com, right?

 

[Azeroc]

Well, Blizzard always made games fit for low-spec , medium-spec and high-spec comps. What processor and graphic's card you have?

 

[Tenebrae]

ah, but let us not forget how Blizzard has shown a tendency in the past to pushing back their release dates several times. Hopefully they'll prove me wrong this time.

 

[Anachron]

Well, you can't do everything that WE (Wc3) has, for example converting a GUI trigger to GALAXY.

Blizzard just enabled the functionality of the language, not the editor itself. That is not only stupid, but totally lame and slows down construction of maps very much.

 

[Narrat0r]

Did you even see that you can make TPS's with Galaxy Editor?

 

[Rui]

ah, but let us not forget how Blizzard has shown a tendency in the past to pushing back their release dates several times. Hopefully they'll prove me wrong this time.

I say they should take all the extra time they want as long as a better game comes out of it.

 

[Darkgamma]

I say they should take all the extra time they want as long as a better game comes out of it.

As long as it isn't July 27 2069

 

[Tenebrae]

I say they should take all the extra time they want as long as a better game comes out of it.

That's true, I'm not in a particular hurry for this as long as the wait pays off. ... although, yeah, I'd prefer not to wait until 2069 either, hahaha.

 

[Anachron]

Honestly, for all those who do not have a beta key: WAIT for SC2. Until yet it's bad, I can only highly recommend everyone to wait for blizzard fixing some big points.

The editor is crap, the gameplay as well (There are 2,3 tactics you will win 100% if the other one doesn't know how to defend).

 

[Element of Water]

The editor is much better than wc3's
Most people I talked to have said the gameplay is amazing

Stop whining.

 

[Anachron]

Maybe I was hoping for to much since I thought you can do some better stuff after 10 years of programming on such games.

 

[Pyritie]

Maybe I was hoping for to much since I thought you can do some better stuff after 10 years of programming on such games.

They've been busy with WoW, you know

 

[HailFireer]

Anachron forgets that today, most RTSes have a few strategy developed by veterans. There are usually 3 races and all of them have 2-3 tactics that are used often. That is life. War3 is different because he has a lot of support units, that do almost no dmg, but cast useful buff spells.

As for editor, I doubt its crap, but I newer got to use it. Biggest reason why people here (Hive) are looking forward to SC2 is the editor, not the game. I bet most would like a WarCraft 4 better, but oh well.

 

[busterkomo]

Honestly, for all those who do not have a beta key: WAIT for SC2. Until yet it's bad, I can only highly recommend everyone to wait for blizzard fixing some big points.

The editor is crap, the gameplay as well (There are 2,3 tactics you will win 100% if the other one doesn't know how to defend).

You honestly have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

So... the SC2 section of this site will be up by the release date, right?


... right?

 

[mrzwach]

The editor is crap, the gameplay as well (There are 2,3 tactics you will win 100% if the other one doesn't know how to defend).

What exactly are you comparing the editor to?

Also, I use a wide variety of strategies and win on a regular basis in gold. Unless you are talking about lame cheese tactics, but still, its your own fault if you do something like that and then don't have fun.

 

[Anachron]

You honestly have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

Oh alright, I am having RTS experience for 10 years now, do you really think I don't know what I am talking about? I tested tons of RTS games and imho I don't think SC2 will be that great if they don't even allow GUI to be converted.

 

[Azeroc]

I am very sure that someone will create program which will convert GUI to GALAXY script code. I mean War3 has very much programs. I really hope there won't be bot programs any time soon cause bots ruined War3 user hosting - everyone joined bot games only, since bots filled all custom game browser and usually has good delay/no lag.

 

[ACdestinydream]

WAIIIT, WE have undergone transformations throughout these years (JNGP, model editor, etc) and thats what makes it so powerful. how are u certain that nobody will make another JNGP outa galaxy? i remembered when WE was out and everyone was like wow. it didnt have more functions than galaxy have now and it is through the comments we give and those things we did that make WE better than galaxy now. im really sure galaxy will turn out fine. from the beta editor i can really see how much terrains are gona evolve. paint your own terrain? infinite height limits? this is really revolutionary. come on people, they will improve it through patches like how WE is. get my point?

from my viewpoint, we have enough units in sc2 to make those things you want (fantasy, etc). heard the plot yet? kerrigan is going to raise an army. im also pretty sure another race will pop out to defend. after counting all the creeps that sc have on every planet (walking dinoes, flying birds) it should have more than wc3's creeps. with addition to the number of creeps sc2 is going to release (you have not seen the campaign yet so you can never guess what they are releasing) and maybe they are releasing all wc3's units (primary reason is because of DOtA. those people at blizz would love icefrog to make a dota in sc2) so i would guess it should be more than enough.

well, thats what sc2 is about. if you had sc2 for years and wc3 suddenly releases, the same comments will come out from your mouth (not futuristic enough, etc) so i guess you all need time to get used to sc2's overly sci-fi. i have alreay ordered mine and it will arrive as a belated birthday present (awww)

 

[NearbyHermit]

Facebook support in Bnet 2.0...
Not a joke last time I checked.

Now that's awesome !

 

[Anachron]

Now that's stupid.

 

[elgitar]

I feel like I'm the only one not being excited about SCII, I mean, I'm pretty sure WC3 will just be forgotten, and I still think it's a great game, even though it's old . .

 

[Element of Water]

Was sc1 forgotten when wc3 came out? No.

 

[NearbyHermit]

Was sc1 forgotten when wc3 came out? No.

HELL NO ! ( I'm a great fan of Blizzard's work and I occasionaly play a bit of all their games )


But now, I'm into Starcraft, a lot.
I'm currently at Broodwar - Zerg quest 3 !

Dark Origin, here I come

 

[SomeRandomDeleted Dr. Cabbage0]

ITS JUST 14th OF MAY GOD DAMNIT!!!

Im off getting high again til the damn game comes out..

 

[Narrat0r]

I am going to freeze myself for two months until it comes.

 

[Rui]

[...] Biggest reason why people here (Hive) are looking forward to SC2 is the editor, not the game. I bet most would like a WarCraft 4 better, but oh well.

You bet.

well, thats what sc2 is about. if you had sc2 for years and wc3 suddenly releases, the same comments will come out from your mouth (not futuristic enough, etc) so i guess you all need time to get used to sc2's overly sci-fi.

Who's mouth? The same complaints will be written, but I doubt there are those many people contradicting themselves. I like medieval fantasy, you will not read otherwise from my posts unless I get tired of it, which I doubt I will.

 

[Anachron]

If blizzard continues the bad coding style I'll just wait for Wc4 to come out.
I don't like this Sci-Fi style neither.

 

[Narrat0r]

I hope they don't make World of Starcraft after SC3.

 

[Tleno]

I hope they don't make World of Starcraft after SC3.

I hope they are not gonna make World of Warcraft 2 after that...

 

[Anachron]

I hope you guys stop hoping and just hope that SC2 will become better after the beta.

 

[NearbyHermit]

Oooops !

This just came in:

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[HINDYhat]

Beta ends on May 31st though, and starts back up a couple of weeks before release.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

 

[Devine]

Hoozah. Now I'll never play the beta.

 

[Deathcom3s]

The Beta will be going offline for a few weeks, then will resume for the last few weeks before release.

There's still a chance that you'll be able to get in.

 

[light bolt30]

OMG!! 2 more months till its released.

 

[Narrat0r]

Seems like an eternity...

 

[killax]

Live your life, don't think about sc2, and when the time comes u'll be like "Damn that was fast..." =P

 

[Narrat0r]

No, I am just going to freeze myself until it comes out.

 

[Tleno]

Well after getting the beta and having a patching problems and beeing able to play only trough editor I'm a bit disappoint, but still can't wait for it...

 

[Avex]

(Necro)

Man, it sucks without the Beta.. WarCraft 3 is boring..

 

[Crimson-Guard]

(Necro)

Man, it sucks without the Beta.. WarCraft 3 is boring..

wait ... i thought necro is onli allowed if there is a valid reason for it ??

 

[Avex]

wait ... i thought necro is onli allowed if there is a valid reason for it ??

Well I wanted to keep a discussion in a thread that was already on the topic of StarCraft being released.. Plus 2 week's isn't that bad. If it is, then punish me I guess.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Honestly, the beta is nothing compared to the full game so do not feel like you missed out on much those of you without it.

You will not have to put up with the problems the beta players had, you will have like 50% more content and on top of that there will be 100000s of more players in a few months.