Round Table of Arkain

[Boriss]

What plan?
He was planning to conquer the kingdoms and the demons appeared and the orcs were forced to retreat. Rangul's entire plan was ruined because of his short-sighteness, not because of Vanessa.

Had he chosen to listen to Vanessa, maybe General Cleavehand would allow the orcs to pass the imperial defenses and hold the ground against the demons.

Humans? Letting orcs pass? No, he would´ve used orcs as meatshield to soften the demon´s assault.

 

[LISBOAH]

Humans? Letting orcs pass? No, he would´ve used orcs as meatshield to soften the demon´s assault.

Maybe if the orcs had shown signs of good will rather than "kill and pillage everything on sight", maybe they had; at least accepted their aid once the demons arrived...

Who knows? Maybe if we decide to attack the undead base instead of the human base, those humans go and return the favor later in the Second Book?

 

[Boriss]

Maybe if the orcs had shown signs of good will rather than "kill and pillage everything on sight", maybe they had; at least accepted their aid once the demons arrived...

Who knows? Maybe if we decide to attack the undead base instead of the human base, those humans go and return the favor later in the Second Book?

Yeah. Maybe bringing a big wooden horse statue as a gift for general Cleavehand right
Orcs and humans are now in a very specific relationship. It´s called "wipe the other bunch off the face of Arkain".

 

[LISBOAH]

Yeah. Maybe bringing a big wooden horse statue as a gift for general Cleavehand right
Orcs and humans are now in a very specific relationship. It´s called "wipe the other bunch off the face of Arkain".

No. That would be only after ten years of siege and after an orc champion gets moody and kills the imperial champion after the latter killed his cousin.

And what is the reason for that?
Oh I don't know, because the orcs seem to be driven by a desire to pillage, kill and rape everything just for the bloodlust?

 

[Boriss]

No. That would be only after ten years of siege and after an orc champion gets moody and kills the imperial champion after the latter killed his cousin.

And what is the reason for that?
Oh I don't know, because the orcs seem to be driven by a desire to pillage, kill and rape everything just for the bloodlust?

Not for bloodlust. For HONOR! Of course, if the Imps pay them in kind it´s despicable, weak and dishonourable.

 

[Championfighter25]

And what is the reason for that?
Oh I don't know, because the orcs seem to be driven by a desire to pillage, kill and rape everything just for the bloodlust?

Sadly that's their nature. They can only pillage and kill. That is their only way of survival.
And it's also in their nature to keep the old traditions intact so change is very hard to implement into their society. Manipulating them into changing is impossible too. Aridon killed their chieftains with the intention to slow down their attack and they even hastened it instead of waiting a bit.
Those things make them unique, but also may lead to their extinction.

 

[LISBOAH]

Not for bloodlust. For HONOR! Of course, if the Imps pay them in kind it´s despicable, weak and dishonourable.

Moral Myopia at its finest!

That is what pisses me off about Rath. He is pissed that the humans butchered his clan; after said clan wiped out entire towns of innocent people! What did he expect? The humans never attacking as retaliation after the orcs murdered hundreds if not thousands of men, women and children?

 

[Boriss]

Moral Myopia at its finest!

That is what pisses me off about Rath. He is pissed that the humans butchered his clan; after said clan wiped out entire towns of innocent people! What did he expect? The humans never attacking as retaliation after the orcs murdered hundreds if not thousands of men, women and children?

They think humans just animals. Cattle to be slaughtered. No better than demons. Maybe worse, cos they don´t enslave, they just butcher.

 

[Championfighter25]

They think humans just animals. Cattle to be slaughtered. No better than demons. Maybe worse, cos they don´t enslave, they just butcher.

The orc hate list technically goes as this :
1. Knights of Kome (they began hunting them after demons slaughtered half of their race, so yeah their hate is the biggest)
2. Human demon slaves ( because while the other races at least fight the demons the slaves fight for them
3. All other humans ( because they are humans)
4. Demons ( because they threaten their existence)
5. Almost all other races ( for not being orcs)
Kind of sad how they hate humans the most since DEMONS slaughtered half their race. The orcs just completely ignore that fact and continue to kill humans. Morons...

 

[Shar Dundred]

The orc hate list technically goes as this :
1. Knights of Kome (they began hunting them after demons slaughtered half of their race, so yeah their hate is the biggest)
2. Human demon slaves ( because while the other races at least fight the demons the slaves fight for them
3. All other humans ( because they are humans)
4. Demons ( because they threaten their existence)
5. Almost all other races ( for not being orcs)

That's a damn good list. I'd still switch 3 and 4 though.

 

[Championfighter25]

That's a damn good list. I'd still switch 3 and 4 though.

Thanks.
The reason i put ''all other humans'' before ''demons'' was because i didn't see the orcs show that much hate in the first book for the latter. Maybe they have explosive inner rage for the demons, but i didn't see that too. I wouldn't change the order for now, but maybe you are right.

 

[Ahman]

What plan?
He was planning to conquer the kingdoms and the demons appeared and the orcs were forced to retreat. Rangul's entire plan was ruined because of his short-sighteness, not because of Vanessa.

Had he chosen to listen to Vanessa, maybe General Cleavehand would allow the orcs to pass the imperial defenses and hold the ground against the demons.

I kind of agree with you, but Rangul already shown his intelligence by rising from a simple follower to warchief of all the clans, but you're right at the same time as well, because he failed to see through the manipulation of events that the Undead leaders did. Eridon and Drakeskull fooled him but I think the Orcs' influence will be much bigger in the second orc book than what we have seen so far and perhaps a better warchief as well

 

[LISBOAH]

Thanks.
The reason i put ''all other humans'' before ''demons'' was because i didn't see the orcs show that much hate in the first book for the latter. Maybe they have explosive inner rage for the demons, but i didn't see that too. I wouldn't change the order for now, but maybe you are right.

I guess the reasons orcs like to pick more on fights with humans than with demons is because they can beat the humans. A mixture of pragmatism and bullying you could say...

I kind of agree with you, but Rangul already shown his intelligence by rising from a simple follower to warchief of all the clans, but you're right at the same time as well, because he failed to see through the manipulation of events that the Undead leaders did. Eridon and Drakeskull fooled him but I think the Orcs' influence will be much bigger in the second orc book than what we have seen so far and perhaps a better warchief as well

The only thing the undead did was kill most of their chieftains and delay their attack a bit. Aridon hoped they would halt their attack, but instead the orcs decided to attack anyway rather than regroup and reorganize their forces...

 

[Championfighter25]

I guess the reasons orcs like to pick more on fights with humans than with demons is because they can beat the humans. A mixture of pragmatism and bullying you could say...

That part where the demons massacred half their race must have quite hit their will to fight them...
Funny how Zairmak said first they will conquer the kingdoms then they will defeat the demons afterwards. Yeah i guess he has stared way too long into the mirror of erised to actually believe they will accomplish such a thing.

 

[LISBOAH]

That part where the demons massacred half their race must have quite hit their will to fight them...
Funny how Zairmak said first they will conquer the kingdoms then they will defeat the demons afterwards. Yeah i guess he has stared way too long in the mirror of erised to actually believe they will accomplish such a thing.

I don't think they are even capable of conquering a single kingdom much less defeating the demons.
The orcs are used to destroy towns, not to conquer organized kingdoms.

 

[Championfighter25]

I don't think they are even capable of conquering a single kingdom much less defeating the demons.
The orcs are used to destroy towns, not to conquer organized kingdoms.

With the new allies i can see how they can sort of succed in their 2nd book, but only partly. Maybe they can exploit a succession crisis and get the chance to conquer a kingdom and form a official country.

 

[Ahman]

I don't think they are even capable of conquering a single kingdom much less defeating the demons.
The orcs are used to destroy towns, not to conquer organized kingdoms.

They killed admiral seabright and destroyed his whole fleet. They defeated their arch enemies of old, the knights of Kome and afterwards, defeated the imperial border armies and killed Salomar and Selior Cleavehand even with the loss of almost more than half their clan chieftains.
I would say they can do pretty much anything at this point, of course with the leadership of Rangul and Venessa no doubt.

 

[Boriss]

They killed admiral seabright and destroyed his whole fleet. They defeated their arch enemies of old, the knights of Kome and afterwards, defeated the imperial border armies and killed Salomar and Selior Cleavehand even with the loss of almost more than half their clan chieftains.
I would say they can do pretty much anything at this point, of course with the leadership of Rangul and Venessa no doubt.

Half or more of them got wiped out at the end of the 1st chapter by demons. That "anything" just got reduced to "bang dogs and horses" (= recruit centaurs and gnolls and other stuff).

 

[LISBOAH]

They killed admiral seabright and destroyed his whole fleet. They defeated their arch enemies of old, the knights of Kome and afterwards, defeated the imperial border armies and killed Salomar and Selior Cleavehand even with the loss of almost more than half their clan chieftains.
I would say they can do pretty much anything at this point, of course with the leadership of Rangul and Venessa no doubt.

They are capable of defeating armies, but can they conquer a kingdom and maintain it?

 

[Championfighter25]

They are capable of defeating armies, but can they conquer a kingdom and maintain it?

The problem is that any land they conquer the other races will respond hastly and re-conquer immediately. How many times did the demons and imperials do this when the orcs conquered even the smallest bit of land?
The answer is everytime.

 

[LISBOAH]

The problem is that any land they conquer the other races will respond hastly and re-conquer immediately. How many times did the demons and imperials do this when the orcs conquered even the smallest bit of land?
The answer is everytime.

That is exactly what I meant.
The orcs surely can beat armies, destroy towns and castles... but they don't know how to maintain what they conquer.
Kind of like Hannibal Barca, the famous general from Carthage. He could beat any Roman army but never knew how to take advantage of it, as he simply kept walking around Italy rather than conquering cities or attacking the city of Rome.

 

[Championfighter25]

That is exactly what I meant.
The orcs surely can beat armies, destroy towns and castles... but they don't know how to maintain what they conquer.
Kind of like Hannibal Barca, the famous general from Carthage. He could beat any Roman army but never knew how to take advantage of it, as he simply kept walking around Italy rather than conquering cities or attacking the city of Rome.

We shall have to wait and see in their 2nd book if they will finally abolish their ingenious tactic of attack something at the worst time -> conquering it thus weakening important defenses that were meant for demons -> use that land for future raids -> repeat first 3 steps again -> get destroyed and severely punished for their attacks -> blame everyone else for what happened and how so much died on the other races -> repeat everything mention before.
The tactic is just way too ahead of it's time and it should be banned from use.

 

[LISBOAH]

We shall have to wait and see in their 2nd book if they will finally abolish their ingenious tactic of attack something at the worst time -> conquering it thus weakening important defenses that were meant for demons -> use that land for future raids -> repeat first 3 steps again -> get destroyed and severely punished for their attacks -> blame everyone else for what happened and how so much died on the other races -> repeat everything mention before.
The tactic is just way too ahead of it's time and it should be banned from use.

Given that they will accept new races in order to form a federation, they might be capable of coming up with new strategies in terms of both battlefield and goals...

 

[Championfighter25]

Given that they will accept new races in order to form a federation, they might be capable of coming up with new strategies in terms of both battlefield and goals...

For the battlefield part they already have like Rath and his cavalry army and some other things too.
Now in terms of goals... yeah that part still needs improvement... a lot... way too much... But come on now, them changing the core of their nature and adding administration and such is madness. It's like van Douche becoming van Durce, it's never going to happen.

 

[LISBOAH]

For the battlefield part they already have like Rath and his cavalry army and some other things too.
Now in terms of goals... yeah that part still needs improvement... a lot... way too much... But come on now, them changing the core of their nature and adding administration and such is madness. It's like van Douche becoming van Durce, it's never going to happen.

Rath is an orc, so their way of thinking didn't change, even with additional troops.

Once they have leaders and commanders of other races, they can start thinking "outside the box" in a matter of speaking.

 

[Championfighter25]

Once they have leaders and commanders of other races, they can start thinking "outside the box" in a matter of speaking.

The only way i can see this happening is if every orc commander got killed. The orcs won't allow creatures from other races to command them. Even the trolls who are their closest allies didn't get that chance.

Rath is an orc, so their way of thinking didn't change, even with additional troops.

A pacifist: Ok Rath remember our last lesson, try to not kill this human. He useful, may be important.
Rath: Don't lecture me pup! The wretches deserve death!
A pacifist: It's not the new orc way, he must live!
Rath: It's a human like any other! Kill him now!
*Rath kills him brutally*
I would actually like to see something like that in the next behind the scenes of Arkain.

 

[Shar Dundred]

The short story "Dark Heart and Mind" (the Vanessa one) is no longer considered canon.

 

[Championfighter25]

The short story "Dark Heart and Mind" (the Vanessa one) is no longer considered canon.

Really?
In every book?

 

[LISBOAH]

The short story "Dark Heart and Mind" (the Vanessa one) is no longer considered canon.

May we ask why?

 

[Shar Dundred]

More explanation about this decision will come at a later point, probably after the update
of the First Orc Book.

Let me just say that it is related to the changes that will be made - and the updated plans for
the Second Orc Book.
And that she became too similar to Aedale in a way.

 

[LISBOAH]

More explanation about this decision will come at a later point, probably after the update
of the First Orc Book.

Let me just say that it is related to the changes that will be made - and the updated plans for
the Second Orc Book.

Sounds good enough to me.

And that she became too similar to Aedale in a way.

True. Though I don't see Vanessa absorbing demonic artifacts, letting her body be taken by a demon and seeking the death of her family.

 

[Boriss]

More explanation about this decision will come at a later point, probably after the update
of the First Orc Book.

Let me just say that it is related to the changes that will be made - and the updated plans for
the Second Orc Book.
And that she became too similar to Aedale in a way.

And hows the chapter 10 going? Still working on the terrain or putting your trigger-fingers to work already?

 

[Shar Dundred]

True. Though I don't see Vanessa absorbing demonic artifacts, letting her body be taken by a demon and seeking the death of her family.

Yeah, but you get my point.

And hows the chapter 10 going?

Fiery.

 

[LISBOAH]

Yeah, but you get my point.

Sure.

Fiery.

So many puns...It is getting boring.

Should we expect a Balrog of Morgoth or maybe even Ragnaros since it involves drwaves and fire?

 

[Championfighter25]

So many puns...It is getting boring.

I think you have "Forgotten".
Puns are a essencial part of the Arkain thread.

 

[Shar Dundred]

I know I am overusing this, but I will give no serious reply when people ask about
progress when I have stated several times that I will keep you guys on track.

 

[syrian-force]

I know I am overusing this, but I will give no serious reply when people ask about
progress when I have stated several times that I will keep you guys on track.

because new comers do not read forums including me :$
and i dont know how it goes here how will i be notified when the campaign is ready?
and something else is that in my opinion that everybody should just finish their campaigns as soon as possible because people just forgets about it or gets busy in life later or finds other game etc
for example the choosen ones the maker finally finished it but he didn't stay around for long after finishing it so he isnt credited for his nice work sadly ;/

 

[LISBOAH]

because new comers do not read forums including me :$
and i dont know how it goes here how will i be notified when the campaign is ready?

Yeah, sometimes you won't get notified.
The only thing I can suggest is click on the options "watch this thread" and "receive email notifications".
Sorry.

 

[Boriss]

I know I am overusing this, but I will give no serious reply when people ask about
progress when I have stated several times that I will keep you guys on track.

So far you´re keeping us hot but no real burn

 

[Shar Dundred]

Dear ladies and gentlemen,
counts and countesses,
warlords and ladies,
goldheads and royals,

we at Arkain Industries are well aware of the fact that you are burning for the new chapter or
any possible information about it. I swear on the soul I took from @Kasrkin, that there will be hot
news really, REALLY soon, but for the time being, I would like you to cool off, for we turn our eyes
towards the distant (actually not so distant) future of the Second Human Book.
First off, a short reminder:
Chapter Ten brings the Aid.
Chapter Eleven brings the Desire.
Chapter Twelve brings the Slaughter.
Chapter Thirteen brings the Monster.
Chapter Fourteen brings the Truth.

About Chapter Ten:
Let me say one thing about the difficulty and enemies.
It is all @Kasrkin's fault. I wash my innocent blood of-- I mean, in clean water..

NOW, what brings the future?
The end of a war? The rise of Gardon? A new enemy in the West? The revelation of secrets?
The betrayal of a trusted friend? Reunion with a current enemy? A tragic end? Utter failure? Or heroic victory?

 

[LISBOAH]

NOW, what brings the future?

The end of a war?

And the start of a new one?

The rise of Gardon?

Most likely.

The revelation of secrets?

This campaign is filled with these.

The betrayal of a trusted friend?

I don't believe Thanok will betray Gardon. I am betting on either King Dorten, Merlon or Harmos.

Reunion with a current enemy?

I hope not. Only a fool would dare to have a meeting with van Durce.

A tragic end?

Why am I sensing a Red Wedding-like scene coming?

 

[Shar Dundred]

What if I told you that three of the most meaningful choices are yet to come?

 

[LISBOAH]

What if I told you that three of the most meaningful choices are yet to come?

I would be very excited for the chapters to come.

So the next chapters will be "things are about to escalate"? Till now, the missions were child's play compared to what we are about to face?

 

[Kasrkin]

I would be very excited for the chapters to come.

So the next chapters will be "things are about to escalate"?

No spoilers for these choices, but yes yes.

 

[Shar Dundred]

Till now, the missions were child's play compared to what we are about to face?

No spoilers for these choices, but yes yes.

 

[Championfighter25]

The end of a war?

Nope. I don't believe the war will end. Maybe we will see a endless Zyainor empire vs demons conflict? I guess we shall soon find out.

The rise of Gardon?

Most likely.

The revelation of secrets?

We get reveals in every chapter!

The betrayal of a trusted friend?

@LISBOAH said maybe Merlon or Harmos, but my bet is on Brian if this betrayal will happen.

Reunion with a current enemy?

Even if we get the choice to spare Douche i will chose kill.

A tragic end?

I hope it's not a "the demons win since you made wrong choices lol" since you promised you would never do that.

Utter failure?

Same as above.

Or heroic victory?

I would like to call it a temporary triumph.

 

[LISBOAH]

Nope. I don't believe the war will end. Maybe we will see a endless Zyainor empire vs demons conflict? I guess we shall soon find out.

I would like to call it a temporary triumph.

Because it is the mortals' nature to always seek conflict, right?
Even if a race managed to wipe out the others, they would just start fighting each other.

@LISBOAH said maybe Merlon or Harmos, but my bet is on Brian if this betrayal will happen.

I don't think Brian will betray Gardon, or at least Gardon would expect it as he always showed mistrust towards him.

Even if we get the choice to spare Douche i will chose kill.

Everyone would choose that option.

 

[Championfighter25]

Because it is the mortals' nature to always seek conflict, right?
Even if a race managed to wipe out the others, they would just start fighting each other.

I meant it more like a defensive war between Zyainor and the demons, but seeing Gardon he will bring the fight to them so yeah always seeking conflict it is.

I don't think Brian will betray Gardon, or at least Gardon would expect it as he always showed mistrust towards him.

Your best friend can be your biggest enemy too. And Brian keeps a lot of secrets hidden from Gardon so a betrayal from him doesn't seem so far-fetched.
My second guess for a betrayal if it isn't Brian would be Salana.

Everyone would choose that option.

Second playthrough!
Although i will regret it at least it's not real life so i can always go back into the past and fix my mistake.

 

[LISBOAH]

I meant it more like a defensive war between Zyainor and the demons, but seeing Gardon he will bring the fight to them so yeah always seeking conflict it is.

True. Until another Genethas shows up, history repeats itself and we are back at square one.

Your best friend can be your biggest enemy too. And Brian keeps a lot of secrets hidden from Gardon so a betrayal from him doesn't seem so far-fetched.

https://pics.me.me/ill-never-ever-leave-my-best-friend-because-that-bastard-7384712.png

My second guess for a betrayal if it isn't Brian would be Salana.

Salana is his puppet...unless someone managed to release her offscreen.

By the way, Shar, will the Elven Queen's twins either reappear or be mentioned again in this campaign?

 

[Championfighter25]

Salana is his puppet...unless someone managed to release her offscreen.

Enter Mr. Sarcastic Rahandir Drakeskull. Shar said he is familliar with Gardon's magic and can break it under certain conditions so he may be possibly the one that releases her.