Round Table of Arkain

[Boriss]

Well, when faced with species with incredible reproduction rate, I strongly suggest you do put banging pretty high up your to-do-list. Otherwise you may very well find yourself allied with murlocs, hoping they will save your sorry ass. All those defenders had to be born somewhere, to someone. And with the fact that you have them massacred by the dozens...
And there is still the fact that for example all orc grunts of a clan look identical. Like clones!

 

[Championfighter25]

Well, when faced with species with incredible reproduction rate, I strongly suggest you do put banging pretty high up your to-do-list. Otherwise you may very well find yourself allied with murlocs, hoping they will save your sorry ass. All those defenders had to be born somewhere, to someone. And with the fact that you have them massacred by the dozens...
And there is still the fact that for example all orc grunts of a clan look identical. Like clones!

They say when you want a big army greed is good!Also if your clone theory is true then Shar better quickly rename this campaign to Legends of Arkain:The clone wars!
Or better don't since that name doesn't sound good.

 

[Shar Dundred]

This is still a WarCraft campaign, not a PornCraft one.

 

[Kasrkin]

Poor Sassy, first a beat down by a dwarf and an elf, now he's back for more.

 

[Morris]

Poor Sassy, first a beat down by a dwarf and an elf, now he's back for more.

That's only canon in the human.book
In the orc book, Sassrogan proved his worth
In the undead book, he was never defeated.

 

[LISBOAH]

That's only canon in the human.book
In the orc book, Sassrogan proved his worth
In the undead book, he was never defeated.

In the orc book he manages to destroy the imperial coast defenses...only to see the fleet be destroyed.
In the undead book we either destroy his fleets or kill him.
So...he being a badass is an exageration.

 

[Morris]

The undead defeated everyone in all scenarios
Sass did good in the following chapters

 

[Colonel Aster]

Hmmmmm.....so much hype for mission nine, hope we get to kick the crap outta both durce and Genethas

 

[Shar Dundred]

Poor Sassy, first a beat down by a dwarf and an elf, now he's back for more.

Before that, he was beaten down by Humans (Merlon, Salomar and Aedy).
Also by Undead.
Also by the two of us.
Also by the players, I have no idea how many times people complained about his abilities.

Hmmmmm.....so much hype for mission nine, hope we get to kick the crap outta both durce and Genethas

You're gonna kick some serious crap outta some people!

 

[Championfighter25]

So...he being a badass is an exageration.

I mean who can like a guy whose best line is this:
''How about this little mage?i don't kill you and instead i bring you back home to the isles and let the warlock experiment on you?''
It's like he tried being a badass, but utterly failed!

I have no idea how many times people complained about his abilities.

To make it quick i have only 2 words to say:
LIGHNING SHIELD.
Enough said.

 

[Boriss]

Spoiler

Didnt say nothing bout banging in real time, but would it hurt so much for Gardon to express his admiration for the tyrant dynasty of Zay-something-nor? We all know he has a shrine with pictures of that girl in his personal tent

Nah, just kidding. But it is fitting for Gardon to actually admire the tyrannical nation. It was actually that nation that was able to defend against demons. Remember? Demons almost wiped out the kingdoms, but they were here long before kingdoms. They were here during the Zay-era. And Zay dynasty kept them in check. That probably required so many resources they just had to be harsh.

 

[Championfighter25]

Spoiler

Didnt say nothing bout banging in real time, but would it hurt so much for Gardon to express his admiration for the tyrant dynasty of Zay-something-nor? We all know he has a shrine with pictures of that girl in his personal tent

Nah, just kidding. But it is fitting for Gardon to actually admire the tyrannical nation. It was actually that nation that was able to defend against demons. Remember? Demons almost wiped out the kingdoms, but they were here long before kingdoms. They were here during the Zay-era. And Zay dynasty kept them in check. That probably required so many resources they just had to be harsh.

Spoiler

Wait for the interlude that brings the temptation, im sure you will get what you want there.
Also if Rahandir didn't get them, im sure Gardon would have adopted the babies.
Im sure Gardon would make it less tyranical and more like a heavily militarised empire, since in the short story aftermath he said he wanted his kingdom to be a bulwark against the darkness.

 

[DD Mikasa]

@Championfighter25
Well he does not have to make his own entire kingdom fully militarised.Remeber Gardon kinda owns 4 kingdoms only the kingdome of Islamur or w/e you call it is mentioned as a kingdom designed as a frontline/shield against demonic threat,You can make a vassal/march type of kingdom out of its former lands Highly militarised (with no civilians etc) and unite all three other ones as the resurected Zaynor (or w/e you call this one either) highly urbanized to be able to sustain the march/vassal kingdom who will have to fight the demons.After all civilians on the front lines does smell trouble (no that Gardon would care anyway).

Yeah i might have put to much though in it but hey we are here to speculate anyway .
@Boriss
Need i remind you the Humans of arkain do not have a accelerate rate of pregnancy or growth,they are far better rasing corpses than shagging.

 

[Shar Dundred]

Yeah i might have put to much though in it but hey we are here to speculate anyway .

You are encouraged to do that.

It is Zyainor (pronounced Zye-an-or) btw.

 

[Championfighter25]

@DD Mikasa Heavily and fully militasired are 2 different things. What we do know is that he won't allow demons to destroy everyone and will bring unity or disunity depeding what you think will happen. Im sure once everyone knows he plans to bring the Zyainor empire back a lot of people will hate him and i have a feeling we will see a slaughter, and that would be in chapter 12.
Oh don't worry corpse numbers have reached a new high since chapter 3 and onwards. Im not sure how much cannon fodder Shar needed to get to make those chapters, but im sure i don't want to know.

 

[Heimgri123]

Um, sorry if this has been answered already, but why is the 2nd human book not under resources on you page? I can't find it, neither here or if i google it.

 

[Championfighter25]

Um, sorry if this has been answered already, but why is the 2nd human book not under resources on you page? I can't find it, neither here or if i google it.

The thread about the second human book has been closed untill the full campaign doesn't get completed.I think Shar's reasoning is that it's a demo that shouldn't have been uploaded in the campaign section in the first place and get approved.

 

[Blake8]

Wait does the next chapter by any chance have you decide whether you will side with Van Durce, or Genethas?

 

[Colonel Aster]

Intresting

 

[Championfighter25]

Wait does the next chapter by any chance have you decide whether you will side with Van Durce, or Genethas?

Spoiler

I think we will have a choice on who we want to kill, that would be cool. You either kill the golden guard on this continent and van Durce for good or Genethas, his demonic army and his veterans of the voidwar for good. It's like pick who you hate the most out of the 2 since you can't just kill them both.Again the chapter may have an entirely different concept, but this could be a possibility.

 

[Daffa]

I see Shar writing his notes

There's too many possibilities, but I smell another long day war.

 

[LISBOAH]

Spoiler

I think we will have a choice on who we want to kill, that would be cool. You either kill the golden guard on this continent and van Durce for good or Genethas, his demonic army and his veterans of the voidwar for good. It's like pick who you hate the most out of the 2 since you can't just kill them both.Again the chapter may have an entirely different concept, but this could be a possibility.

Spoiler

So, like I said before, it is like in the First Undead Book, when we decided to either destroy fleets or kill the leaders. But no matter who we destroy, we are still screwed. If we kill Genethas, van Durce is still a threat and the civil war continues. If we kill van Durce, Genethas can still serve his demon masters and attack us.

 

[Championfighter25]

Spoiler

So, like I said before, it is like in the First Undead Book, when we decided to either destroy fleets or kill the leaders. But no matter who we destroy, we are still screwed. If we kill Genethas, van Durce is still a threat and the civil war continues. If we kill van Durce, Genethas can still serve his demon masters and attack us.

Spoiler

I think that if we have this kind of choice it will be best if we kill Genethas first, since van Durce may be a threat, but since the emperor won't send extra forces on the continent anymore he has no way of replenishing them, unlike Genethas who can do it at will.

 

[Kasrkin]

The greatest part of the long wait to release is always the speculation. Are you right, are you wrong and the only confirmation is the new chapter itself.

 

[LISBOAH]

The greatest part of the long wait to release is always the speculation. Are you right, are you wrong and the only confirmation is the new chapter itself.

Maybe Shar uses our speculations to create new things for the missions.

 

[Championfighter25]

Maybe Shar uses our speculations to create new things for the missions.

Maybe, but i dount it, i think he will use our speculation as inspiration for his spin-off campaigns of course if he hasn't planned them centuries ago, so who knows?

 

[Boriss]

Maybe Shar uses our speculations to create new things for the missions.

Maybe Thanok will say "Well, we are outnumbered a hundred to one. A weak character may now suggest we ally with one side to wipe the other. Bot we are Ironfist, we will rock them!"

 

[LISBOAH]

Maybe Thanok will say "Well, we are outnumbered a hundred to one. A weak character may now suggest we ally with one side to wipe the other. Bot we are Ironfist, we will rock them!"

Knowing Thanok he would rather kill himself and his army than ally himself with either van Durce or Genethas.

We might be forced to use other tactics to beat them if we are outnumbered, like making them fight each other rather than us.

 

[Championfighter25]

Knowing Thanok he would rather kill himself and his army than ally himself with either van Durce or Genethas.

We might be forced to use other tactics to beat them if we are outnumbered, like making them fight each other rather than us.

I think that the beginning cutscene of chapter 9 will be changed a bit since the 3rd interlude was moved to be before it.
And yes he would never ally with anyone one of them. Even if he tried neither of them would have accepted. Now waiting for them to kill themselves and then attack as you said, now that is the best chance he has. I don't think any of them would waste time diverting troops to deal with a small army so we may interfere and attack them at will.

 

[Colonel Aster]

With all the speculation going on here, its hard to wait for the mission's release

 

[Boriss]

Shar, any news? Hows the terrain going? We are soooo eager to know.

 

[Championfighter25]

With all the speculation going on here, its hard to wait for the mission's release

Better begin building the hate before the chapter's release, im sure you and everyone else is gonna need it!

 

[Shar Dundred]

Progress report
Progress is going well, I'll probably not show many more spoilers for the chapter to make sure that the hate will continue to feed and grow.
Also: I will try (and hopefully succeed, but no promises) to release both Chapter Nine and Chapter Ten before October.

 

[Championfighter25]

Progress report
Progress is going well, I'll probably not show many more spoilers for the chapter to make sure that the hate will continue to feed and grow.

Spoiler

That's good to hear, just promise that you won't punch us in the face and kick us in the balls with a mega dumb thing like:
''Gardon i bring dire news, Vail, Salana, Merlon, Thanok and Cora or Scarlett(depending on what you chose) are all dead, also the capital is under siege by the undead. What do we do?''

 

[Boriss]

Progress report
Progress is going well, I'll probably not show many more spoilers for the chapter to make sure that the hate will continue to feed and grow.
Also: I will try (and hopefully succeed, but no promises) to release both Chapter Nine and Chapter Ten before October.

OOOOhhhh man, the tension! Like electric chair. I live from day to day hoping for chapter nine. Its all my life is about. Well, that and exams....

 

[Shar Dundred]

Actually, one last spoiler to feed you with.
More gameplay than story-related this time.

Spoiler

Resources will not be your problem on this map.

 

[Championfighter25]

Spoiler

So like in chapter 3 of the first human book we will have 1 million gold in the mine or is it way more interesting than that?

 

[Daffa]

I smell timer, or at the very least an incarnation of Chapter 9 First Book.

EDIT :
And Shar seemed to be pleased with this random deduction

 

[Championfighter25]

I smell timer, or at the very least an incarnation of Chapter 9 First Book.

I'm sure this will be quite enjoyable if true! Oh Shar with his sadistic and cruel nature!

 

[Daffa]

While at it, I just got another hate generating idea. Gonna hide so the boss doesn't find out

 

[Heimgri123]

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  [*]In the 1st orc book, Sassy was able to agree that (some) humans and orcs could live together, and if he could do that, why doesn't he like the new races that's being introduced, despite those guys having more in common with the orcs?
  [*]In the mission where we kill Lady Riana, how many of the enemy leaders are going to join Gordon if we wait long enough? I know that Captain Ironside joins us, but what about the others?
  [*]I know i jump a bit of topic, since we mainly talk about the 2nd book here, but what is it the stable and elite traning ground besides your base, guarded by demons, do in the last mission of the 1st book, when you take control of them?
  [*]And speaking of the last mission of the 1st book, how come neiter your army (Kasrkin), or Aedela's army (either pure or demonic) doesn't attack or move during the mission?

 

[Championfighter25]

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  Spoiler

  [*]In the 1st orc book, Sassy was able to agree that (some) humans and orcs could live together, and if he could do that, why doesn't he like the new races that's being introduced, despite those guys having more in common with the orcs?
  [*]In the mission where we kill Lady Riana, how many of the enemy leaders are going to join Gordon if we wait long enough? I know that Captain Ironside joins us, but what about the others?
  [*]I know i jump a bit of topic, since we mainly talk about the 2nd book here, but what is it the stable and elite traning ground besides your base, guarded by demons, do in the last mission of the 1st book, when you take control of them?
  [*]And speaking of the last mission of the 1st book, how come neiter your army (Kasrkin), or Aedela's army (either pure or demonic) doesn't attack or move during the mission?

Spoiler

1)Each book is in the same timeline, but the story develops differently, kind of like an alternate universe, so just because he agreed in the 1st orc book doesn't mean agrees in the universe of the 2nd human book, you will have to wait for the second orc book to get his real opinion.
2)Only Ironside joins you and nobody else
3) They provide your friendly AI with extra troops i guess?
4)That is something you may wanna ask Shar.

 

[Shar Dundred]

[*]In the 1st orc book, Sassy was able to agree that (some) humans and orcs could live together, and if he could do that, why doesn't he like the new races that's being introduced, despite those guys having more in common with the orcs?

Spoiler

That was a choice in the Orc Book, not affecting the Human Book.
In the Human Book, Sassy disagreed with Vanessa.

The rest is no real spoiler, so no spoilers from me here.

[*]In the mission where we kill Lady Riana, how many of the enemy leaders are going to join Gordon if we wait long enough? I know that Captain Ironside joins us, but what about the others?

In the current version of the chapter, only Ironside switches sides.
There will be some... differences in the new version that will be completed before release.
No spoilers on that, though, I mean, you will need a few reasons to suffer all the missions again!

[*]I know i jump a bit of topic, since we mainly talk about the 2nd book here, but what is it the stable and elite traning ground besides your base, guarded by demons, do in the last mission of the 1st book, when you take control of them?
[*]And speaking of the last mission of the 1st book, how come neiter your army (Kasrkin), or Aedela's army (either pure or demonic) doesn't attack or move during the mission?

This thread is about the Legends of Arkain, not just the Second Books, so it is fine to adress such things.
Chapter Elven of the First Human Book is a disgrace in its current state, it will be returned to
its former state (players owning a base etc) in time.
The stables and elite training grounds are supposed to give your allies Elites and Knights.
I honestly I have no idea what works in the current version and what does not.
I dislike the current version - now that I think about it, I should have written that in the AQT and forgot...

 

[Championfighter25]

If we should talk about mistakes i've found a really little and funny one. In the 1st orc book in the beginning cutscene of chapter 9 Salomar is named Selomar
Shar you just turned him into the name of a british hotel, how dare you!
Better fix it when that update that we all wait to removes that worthless lightning shield on the character we love to complain about is released and don't get me started on the story and his other abilities!

 

[Boriss]

Dont distract him from finishing chapter 9 or he will make more interludes before finishing it

 

[LickMyEyeBall]

Spoiler

That was a choice in the Orc Book, not affecting the Human Book.
In the Human Book, Sassy disagreed with Vanessa.

The rest is no real spoiler, so no spoilers from me here.

In the current version of the chapter, only Ironside switches sides.
There will be some... differences in the new version that will be completed before release.
No spoilers on that, though, I mean, you will need a few reasons to suffer all the missions again!


This thread is about the Legends of Arkain, not just the Second Books, so it is fine to adress such things.
Chapter Elven of the First Human Book is a disgrace in its current state, it will be returned to
its former state (players owning a base etc) in time.
The stables and elite training grounds are supposed to give your allies Elites and Knights.
I honestly I have no idea what works in the current version and what does not.
I dislike the current version - now that I think about it, I should have written that in the AQT and forgot...

In my humble opinion 1st human book needs a major patch more than orc or undead books. I mean orc book could use some improvments as well, but certainly less than human book. The undead book is very well built. Speaking of chapter 11 I cant recall having any elites or elite knigts at my side. so both stables and training grounds aint working. Good to know you are going to change it back. But I guess your primary concern for now is 2nd book and all.

 

[Shar Dundred]

Despite me being focused on the Second Human Book currently, feel free to point out any
issues you might have with the First Books.

You are espeically encouraged to report bugs.

 

[Heimgri123]

Spoiler

cleavinghammer pointed out a few bugs (and a few balancing problems as well) in chapter eleven of the 1st human book, i will really quickly repeat them here:
* The Kasrkin don't send any troops.
* Orcs aren't attacked by spawns.
* Captured both buildings, but I didn't see any difference in the spawns.
* Buildings don't give bounties.
* Killing buildings doesn't seem to affect spawns.
* Invulnerable paladins caused Merlon to wait in a corner of the brown base.
* Aedale's spawns sometimes just stop moving. (As an aside, you can't really blame the other side for yelling about traitors when you see the minions she sends).
* South allies don't send heroes.
* North allies keep getting destroyed by paladins resurrecting everyone. Even when giving the allies all upgrades from the start.
* Allies don't get ranged units.
* If Blen and/or Harmos are dead when the fortress falls, they aren't present in the cinematic, though they still talk.
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Problems i spotted myself:
There's also a problem in the final mission of the 1st orc book, where Rath Wolfscar is no where to be seen in the ending cutscene, but he still talks, and despite Rangul stating that Sasrogarn will not join the fight (if you choose to agree with Vaneesa), he still attacks the enemy.
When getting the BloodHand Clan to join Rangul, i feel that it's really risky having to go through their base in order to confront The Destroyer.
Rath Wolfscar selling his items (Like Rath, Y U DO DIS? It's Dogran who's the gold greedy one, not you).
Some of the dialouge in the 3 books are a bit to fast to read sometimes.
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Question:
As of right now i can't think of any other bugs or issues i could find, but before i go, i gotta ask, now that you have the models/skins that we saw in the demo of the 2nd human book, are you going to update some of the old factions in the 1st books so they have those new skins as well?
When the update of the 1st books comes, are you going to update their dialouges as well? Because Vaneesa isn't doing a very good job at explaining why the humans should be left alive and be useful (Slaves? Demon bait? Allies? Food?), (and maybe say some of them are better then her, and mention that to Rangul and use herself as an example).

 

[Shar Dundred]

Have you destroyed the Dark Elves in Chapter Six?

 

[Championfighter25]

Have you destroyed the Dark Elves in Chapter Six?

It's funny how you added that Krom's base was too strong. Terror + Arcane towers anyone? With that combo you just terrorise him from afar and never worry that he will counter-attack and destroy the elves too.I mean only Kasrkin can be so insane to fight head on with his army.