Round Table of Arkain

[Boriss]

Kasrkin mode? I have trouble beating some missions on easy, You're good Kasrkin, really good!

Yeah on the now closed thread about 2nd human book we too made some suggestions for kasrkin mode. I suggested first 3 missions in 1st human book to be "moving army" style, meaning you set up tents and wooden barricades and watch towers, summoning units from tents for no gold with cooldown up to some maximum amount of troops on the field. Kasrkin mode could then incorporate maximum amount of soldiers you can field in all 3 missions. Like you get 1 000 soldiers. If you lose 100 in the first mission then in the second you can only call on 900 etc.

 

[Championfighter25]

Yeah on the now closed thread about 2nd human book we too made some suggestions for kasrkin mode. I suggested first 3 missions in 1st human book to be "moving army" style, meaning you set up tents and wooden barricades and watch towers, summoning units from tents for no gold with cooldown up to some maximum amount of troops on the field. Kasrkin mode could then incorporate maximum amount of soldiers you can field in all 3 missions. Like you get 1 000 soldiers. If you lose 100 in the first mission then in the second you can only call on 900 etc.

What if someone loses all 1000 troops on the first mission,ever thought of that?
Jokes aside i approve of this idea in Kasrkin mode,it also sort of makes sense,since Gardon has lost a large amount of his troops and cannot constantly replenish his forces,because emperor and van Durce.

 

[Boriss]

What if someone loses all 1000 troops on the first mission,ever thought of that?
Jokes aside i approve of this idea in Kasrkin mode,it also sort of makes sense,since Gardon has lost a large amount of his troops and cannot constantly replenish his forces,because emperor and van Durce.

Thats why its called Kasrkin mode. Cos its extra hard. You lose all in 1st mission? Well then, go pwn them with your heroes or replay the 1st mission
Gardon can replenish his forces after the 2nd chapter in 2nd book. He sends Merlon to recruit men after all. Plus he stole a few golden guard boyz. The format I suggested is only viable in the first 3 missions of the 1st human book. After that you can draw reinforcements from forces constantly arriving to boost your defensive line against demons. In the 2nd book you are first escorted by golden guard and then you get command over united kingdom forces, after which Merlon goes recruiting. So no sense applying limited army size there.

 

[Blake8]

@Shar Dundred
Can't wait for Aridon to return

 

[cleavinghammer]

Burning Forest:
Man I love the Terror... and no doubt I will hate it in the other books. It fires its flamethrower when told to Attack Ground.
When facing Taran, Larine says "burn your body so we undead can't bring it back". Unless of course, she's been undead and covered in makeup all along... To the conspiracymobile!
Given Keera's lines to Larine, it doesn't really make sense for Larine to not know who they are.
I was not quite done with the diamond sidequest when the undead finished off the purple base. The diamond sidequest then completed while the ending cutscene (sidequest incomplete version) was starting, so the quest's end dialogues played during the cinematic. When I restarted to have all quests completed at the end, everything worked normally. Thank you for not showing us the contents of Seabright's poetry.
Ending: ... Huh. That was... sudden. To the conspiracymobile!

 

[Boriss]

@Shar Dundred
Can't wait for Aridon to return

I wonder if there is another of Aridon´s kind leading the demons.

 

[Championfighter25]

I wonder if there is another of Aridon´s kind leading the demons.

I don't think that exactly an undead will lead a demonic legion and i doubt Aridon has family members so at least in my opinion no.But since the complete story is not yet revealed there is a slight possibility.
And before you say that Margazar lead demons,yes i know,but he was in disguise and wasn't always undead like Aridon.

 

[LISBOAH]

I wonder if there is another of Aridon´s kind leading the demons.

I think Aridon might have agents among the ranks of imperials, orcs and demons. Largoth himself says he didn't know that Margazar was an undead spy and wondered how many more secrets Aridon kept from him. There might be a giant undead spy network spread across Arkain.

 

[Shar Dundred]

Ah yes, the famous spy network of Aridon...
Makes one wonder about who else could be there, does it not?

 

[Championfighter25]

Ah yes, the famous spy network of Aridon...
Makes one wonder about who else could be there, does it not?

I actually wonder what kind of stealth tecnology do they use to keep themselves so well hidden?I hope when you open the official Arkain shop you sell it Shar!

 

[lekxman22]

shar is aridon allive i would like to know that
then everything will be changed

 

[Shar Dundred]

How could he be alive?

 

[LISBOAH]

How could he be alive?

There is an entire trope about that:
Faking the Dead - TV Tropes

 

[Championfighter25]

How could he be alive?

Well you can bring him back in another form like mortal combat does to it's characters or revive him with dragon balls like dragon ballz does to it's characters or just make him return just like that!You have the power!

 

[LISBOAH]

Well you can bring him back in another form like mortal combat does to it's characters or revive him with dragon balls like dragon ballz does to it's characters or just make him return just like that!You have the power!

Maybe he can transfer his conscience to another body, or have created a spell for self-revival that would trigger hours after his death, or creating horcrux-like things?

 

[Championfighter25]

Maybe he can transfer his conscience to another body, or have created a spell for self-revival that would trigger hours after his death, or creating horcrux-like things?

Imagine if Aridon screwed transfering his consciousness and is now in the body of fleshtearer!He must feel really weird in there!In all seriousness it is a possibility!

 

[LISBOAH]

Imagine if Aridon screwed transfering his consciousness and is now in the body of fleshtearer!He must feel really weird in there!In all seriousness it is a possibility!

Yeah! The main reason why he could have created it was to have a backup body! Everyone else thinking it is just a more powerful abomination when in truth it had an ulterior purpose!

 

[Championfighter25]

Yeah! The main reason why he could have created it was to have a backup body! Everyone else thinking it is just a more powerful abomination when in truth it had an ulterior purpose!

Oh no,we just gave the Fleshtearer character development and a purpose,what have we done!If your theory is true he must have a few more back-up bodies aswell.Aridon always having 1 million alternate plans in case something goes wrong!

 

[LISBOAH]

Oh no,we just gave the Fleshtearer character development and a purpose!If your theory is true he must have a few more back-up bodies aswell.

Yeah! Maybe it is not just a coincidence that Flesheater was following Sapphira, maybe Aridon is keeping an eye on her, while he maintains a telepathical link with Rahandir and making him follow his orders.

Maybe Aridon can use any mindless undead as backup body!

 

[Boriss]

I don't think that exactly an undead will lead a demonic legion and i doubt Aridon has family members so at least in my opinion no.But since the complete story is not yet revealed there is a slight possibility.
And before you say that Margazar lead demons,yes i know,but he was in disguise and wasn't always undead like Aridon.

Aridon was never really confirmed undead, rather a very powerful being. So powerful he may be unkillable by normal means (like high ranking demons and that perfect something from Pearl of Lor). He may not have a family, but being the only one of his kind in the entire universe? Even that thing from Pearl of Lor had kinsmen (that were massacred by Aridon eons ago, but still...). Consider this simple thing: Who could outmanouver Aridon? Who could outtrick him, outplan him, put a hole in his plan that was in making since centuries past... Someone manipulated Aridon himself there! The fact that the 2nd demon legion was not revealed to Aridon by his spies means that whoever orchestrated this knew about those spies... all of them...

 

[LISBOAH]

Aridon was never really confirmed undead, rather a very powerful being.

True.

So powerful he may be unkillable by normal means (like high ranking demons and that perfect something from Pearl of Lor).

Perharps...

He may not have a family, but being the only one of his kind in the entire universe? Even that thing from Pearl of Lor had kinsmen (that were massacred by Aridon eons ago, but still...).

Maybe he is the last of his kind? Maybe his race is like the Titans, there is an Aridon-like creature on every planet?

Consider this simple thing: Who could outmanouver Aridon? Who could outtrick him, outplan him, put a hole in his plan that was in making since centuries past... Someone manipulated Aridon himself there! The fact that the 2nd demon legion was not revealed to Aridon by his spies means that whoever orchestrated this knew about those spies... all of them...

Who knows? The Dark Entity?

 

[Championfighter25]

Aridon was never really confirmed undead, rather a very powerful being. So powerful he may be unkillable by normal means (like high ranking demons and that perfect something from Pearl of Lor). He may not have a family, but being the only one of his kind in the entire universe? Even that thing from Pearl of Lor had kinsmen (that were massacred by Aridon eons ago, but still...). Consider this simple thing: Who could outmanouver Aridon? Who could outtrick him, outplan him, put a hole in his plan that was in making since centuries past... Someone manipulated Aridon himself there! The fact that the 2nd demon legion was not revealed to Aridon by his spies means that whoever orchestrated this knew about those spies... all of them...

That perfect something is named Raszar and he has been completely killed by Aridon,but for everything else you are right.Who could have outmaneuver him?I think that can be the dark one,the ultimate evil we are talking about.This question will be correctly answered later in the second human book or in the second undead book i guess.
Aridon's current status may be that he is imprisoned in a soul gem and kept in the void.Why don't they just kill him?Well in my opinion being the enbodiment of death makes him very,very,very,very hard to kill maybe impossible so they just keep him in a prison.

 

[LISBOAH]

That perfect something is named Raszar and he has been completely killed by Aridon,but for everything else you are right.Who could have outmaneuver him?I think that can be the dark one,the ultimate evil we are talking about.This question will be correctly answered later in the second human book or in the second undead book i guess.
Aridon's current status may be that he is imprisoned in a soul gem and kept in the void.

Someone did to him what he did to Ornassion? Aridon meet Karma!

 

[Championfighter25]

Someone did to him what he did to Ornassion? Aridon meet Karma!

I didn't say it is correct,but it is a possibility.
Well you know what they say if you conquer a mountain,crush a rebellion,destroy a garrison,manipulate people,make other defend you,kill people,destroy fleets,kill a fire lord and other stuff you will get a pretty bad karma record.So yeah we got Demons vs Aridon part 2: The Revengeance!
Maybe Aridon won't do bad stuff again after he learns his lesson!

 

[LISBOAH]

I didn't say it is correct,but it is a possibility.
Well you know what they say if you conquer a mountain,crush a rebellion,destroy a garrison,manipulate people,make other defend you,kill people,destroy fleets,kill a fire lord and other stuff you will get a pretty bad karma record.So yeah we got Demons vs Aridon part 2: The Revengeance!

Well, compared to demons, Aridon is a saint. He only kills with a purpose, is kind of a well-intentioned extremist, doesn't use his vast powers for his own greed and benefit, seems to be respectful towards his subordinates (at least those that retain their self-awareness)...

I still wanna see what he is going to do with Ornassion...

 

[Championfighter25]

Well, compared to demons, Aridon is a saint. He only kills with a purpose, is kind of a well-intentioned extremist, doesn't use his vast powers for his own greed and benefit, seems to be respectful towards his subordinates (at least those that retain their self-awareness)...

I still wanna see what he is going to do with Ornassion...

What you say about Aridon is absolutely right,what i wrote was just a joke!
I feel like Aridon is going to torture Ornassion and by that i mean torture him a lot.He may do something like what Kil'jaeden did to Ner'zhul,rip his soul apart slowly just to reform it again and repeat the process.He may do this to get vital information for the demon's future plans and maybe parts of his power.

 

[Shar Dundred]

Is Aridon still alive/undead?

 

[Tuwnew]

As his death/defeat in first undead book is possible in last chapter... I imagine some "trick" to keep an equal story in second book. Like his revival or a new death in the beginning.

or maybe two stories totally differents determined by first book.

 

[Boriss]

Is Aridon still alive/undead?

Another one? Im feeling an evil manipulation in work here

 

[wQrEt]

Well, since Aridon is described as the almighty, i doubt that he would die off so easily , while manipulating so much events from the start, and living for so long, what would be the point of even adding such a character into the story, just to kill him immediately. On top of it, if Aridon died, what hope would the rest of Arkain have... the demons would just stomp the remaining, already in war between themselves Arkain races.

That "????" quote: "hmmm. I have to admit that not even I was able to see this coming. I wonder if Aridon knew it would come to this."
If there are 2 strong beings manipulating events, if one would fall, the other would certainly emerge Victorious... ?

Aswell, quote: "Aridon the Watcher. He is one of the key characters. I'm well aware of that He is one of the most dangerous creatures of Arkain." Implying that there is somebody as strong as Aridon, or even stronger than him but standing aside/neutral, or making his own plans for the future of Arkain, with the demons, or against them.

 

[Boriss]

Spoiler: Spoileeeeeeer

One thing that is quite possible is that Aridon´s death only happens in human and orc books, while in undead book Gardon will get ambushed and pwned. We saw this with that orc-raised human girl, Vanessa. She dies in both human and undead books, while survives in orc book.

As to Aridon being nice extremist... well, he enslaved entire species to get corpses... demons don´t sound as that bad a deal compared. True, they demand everything from you, but they at least let you breathe.
Besides, that ??? voice said Blen Greymoore is one of the key characters. Where is he now?

 

[LISBOAH]

Spoiler: Spoileeeeeeer

One thing that is quite possible is that Aridon´s death only happens in human and orc books, while in undead book Gardon will get ambushed and pwned. We saw this with that orc-raised human girl, Vanessa. She dies in both human and undead books, while survives in orc book.

As to Aridon being nice extremist... well, he enslaved entire species to get corpses... demons don´t sound as that bad a deal compared. True, they demand everything from you, but they at least let you breathe.

Yeah that whole thing with Nerubians still creeps me out and is close of being a Moral Event Horizon to me.

Aridon doesn't walk around slaughtering anyone in sight. He is very powerful and could use his vast armies to slaughter anyone that opposed him, but decides to strike from the shadows. For example, he ordered Krom to kill the orc chieftains, but could have ordered him to slaughter the clans to have more bodies. He also doesn't seem to be moved by greed or ambition, while the other races fight among themselves for power (Genethas for example). The demons are on a rampage killing everyone and enslaving the rest.

 

[Championfighter25]

Yeah that whole thing with Nerubians still creeps me out and is close of being a Moral Event Horizon to me.

Aridon doesn't walk around slaughtering anyone in sight. He is very powerful and could use his vast armies to slaughter anyone that opposed him, but decides to strike from the shadows. For example, he ordered Krom to kill the orc chieftains, but could have ordered him to slaughter the clans to have more bodies. He also doesn't seem to be moved by greed or ambition, while the other races fight among themselves for power (Genethas for example). The demons are on a rampage killing everyone and enslaving the rest.

I think the main reason why Aridon strikes from the shadows is because in the beginning of the first undead book he didn't have a big enough army to do well major direct warfare.He knew even if he went slightly over the edge and let the humans and orcs notice him,well no matter how strong he was he wasn't going to survive against that big of a army.Now since he has a very large army he doesn't care about who finds out about the undead,chapter 4 of the second human book proves this.The undead just flat out revealed themselves without caring.Just an opinion though!

 

[Shar Dundred]

Oh, the Arkain Question Time is going to blow your minds.... :>

Also: I find it fantastic that so many do these polls - this one got like 5 votes within less than 5 minutes!
Congratz on that! Makes me happy.

 

[Boriss]

Oh, the Arkain Question Time is going to blow your minds.... :>

Yeah I bet! Can´t wait!

Also: I find it fantastic that so many do these polls - this one got like 5 votes within less than 5 minutes!
Congratz on that! Makes me happy.

Glad to hear that man.

 

[Colonel Aster]

man I bet the end of this book will be one big battle between Lord Brian (Gardon's forces) and Aridon's forces

 

[LISBOAH]

man I bet the end of this book will be one big battle between Lord Brian (Gardon's forces) and Aridon's forces

I doubt it. It will be either against van Durce, the Empire, the Dark Entity or the Demons.

 

[Colonel Aster]

van durce will probably be one of the next chapters, and van durce is the empire, it could potentially be the dark entity or demons

 

[Championfighter25]

man I bet the end of this book will be one big battle between Lord Brian (Gardon's forces) and Aridon's forces

Didn't the undead say once the demons and van Durce are defeated they will leave the human realm and never return in chapter 6?So considering that i doubt it.

 

[LISBOAH]

van durce will probably be one of the next chapters, and van durce is the empire, it could potentially be the dark entity or demons

Maybe van Durce is defeated early and the emperor sends a force to kill Gardon?

I still wonder how the book will end. I mean, there is no way they will beat the demons in at least four chapters, right? So why am I feeling that this book will certainly not end happily?

 

[Championfighter25]

Maybe van Durce is defeated early and the emperor sends a force to kill Gardon?

I still wonder how the book will end. I mean, there is no way they will beat the demons in at least four chapters, right? So why am I feeling that this book will certainly not end happily?

This book will have 6 more chapters for a total of 14.If the book ends in some kind of a cliffhanger i will be very mad!I feel like by not end happily we may see a major character killed.That would be sad.

 

[LISBOAH]

This book will have 6 more chapters for a total of 14.If the book ends in some kind of a cliffhanger i will be very mad!I feel like by not end happily we may see a major character killed.That would be sad.

Let's just presume that they beat van Durce in two chapters and that there is a chapter focusing on Aedale, that means there is three chapters left. How can they beat the Demon Legions in three or four chapters, after a recent civil war that most likely led to the deaths of at least a third of the fighting forces in the kingdoms? Aridon was forced to flee after the Souleater Legion arrived, so how can Gardon beat it?

I am just saying, chances of this book having a happy ending are very low.

 

[Boriss]

Maybe van Durce is defeated early and the emperor sends a force to kill Gardon?

I still wonder how the book will end. I mean, there is no way they will beat the demons in at least four chapters, right? So why am I feeling that this book will certainly not end happily?

I think Aridon is dead permanent for the human book. Maybe like with that Vanessa girl. In human book only Gardon survives demon ambush, in undead book only Aridon survives etc...

They dont beat demons back in 3 chapters. The united kingdoms forces were fighting them the whole time, with the dwarven support and golden guard keeping key assets safe.

 

[Championfighter25]

Let's just presume that they beat van Durce in two chapters and that there is a chapter focusing on Aedale, that means there is three chapters left. How can they beat the Demon Legions in three or four chapters, after a recent civil war that most likely led to the deaths of at least a third of the fighting forces in the kingdoms? Aridon was forced to flee after the Souleater Legion arrived, so how can Gardon beat it?

I am just saying, chances of this book having a happy ending are very low.

Gardon proved he can defeat a force of 2 demon legions at once in chapter 2 so there is a slight possibility.Aridon did sort of a tactical retreat,because fighting a larger army at a open field is a bad idea.Well i guess that the humans with the undead can do a defensive war,untill they don't recover a bit.

 

[LISBOAH]

Gardon proved he can defeat a force of 2 demon legions at once in chapter 2 so there is a slight possibility.Aridon did sort of a tactical retreat,because fighting a larger army at a open field is a bad idea.Well i guess that the humans with the undead can do a defensive war,untill they don't recover a bit.

In chapter 2, Gardon was dealing with a minor demon force most likely, not to mention that Lerrig destroyed the previous demon gates. What are they going to do when they face the elite forces of the Demon Legions led by their most powerful dreadlords?

Just to beat the Elf Queen Gardon needed the undead, the Knights of Korme, Brian and some members of the Golden Guard defected at the middle of the battle. He is going to need a lot more to stop the demons.

 

[Championfighter25]

In chapter 2, Gardon was dealing with a minor demon force most likely, not to mention that Lerrig destroyed the previous demon gates. What are they going to do when they face the elite forces of the Demon Legions led by their most powerful dreadlords?

Lerrig only destroyed 3 demon gates and lost half the garrison of the base put under his command so yeah he didn't do a lot!When Gardon fights the legion's Dreadlords he will have to turn to Brian's mysterious power.I think he can only kill a high ranking dreadlord now that Aridon is missing.

Just to beat the Elf Queen Gardon needed the undead, the Knights of Korme, Brian and some members of the Golden Guard defected at the middle of the battle. He is going to need a lot more to stop the demons.

And the elves needed a entire army of golden guard to just defend them,because just think about it the undead destroyed a few divisions of golden guard in chapter 6 as they said,Gardon destroyed a big base of the golden guard too in chapter 6,a big part of the force in chapter 7 that defended the queen were golden guard,now just remove all golden guard from chapter 6 and 7 and what do you get,a weak elven resistance that won't survive against a moderate demon attack,so yeah Gardon did require a lot to beat the queen,but so did the queen to defend herself from Gardon.

 

[LISBOAH]

Lerrig only destroyed 3 demon gates and lost half the garrison of the base put under his command so yeah he didn't do a lot!When Gardon fights the legion's Dreadlords he will have to turn to Brian's mysterious power.I think he can only kill a high ranking dreadlord now that Aridon is missing.

Let's see this:
Elves: most likely lost at least half of their forces and most of their most experienced commanders.
Golden Guard: they certainly lost at least half of their forces by now and more will die alongside van Durce.
Harmos' Order: they are practically gone, excluding Harmos and some.
Karskin Force: they are disbanded with Blen's death
Dwarves: they must have sustained tough losses against the demons
Kingdoms' forces: they can hold the demons but their forces must have sustained heavy losses, especially since the imperials are no longer aiding them

Aridon admitted that killing a high-ranking dreadlord is very difficult. Brian's power is not known, but I suspect he is stronger than Rahandir but still somewhat weaker than Aridon. And Brian alone is not enough to beat the Legions.

And the elves needed a entire army of golden guard to just defend them,because just think about it the undead destroyed a few divisions of golden guard in chapter 6 as they said,Gardon destroyed a big base of the golden guard too in chapter 6,a big part of the force in chapter 7 that defended the queen were golden guard,now just remove all golden guard from chapter 6 and 7 and what do you get,a weak elven resistance that won't survive against a moderate demon attack,so yeah Gardon did require a lot to beat the queen,but so did the queen to defend herself from Gardon.

This is even worse. No force can hope to defeat the demons on their own and rather than combining forces they are killing each other.
The imperials realized the futility of it and that is why they decided to leave the continent and return to their homeland. The only reason the kingdoms managed to hold the demons at bay for a while was thanks to the Empire and now they lost that support.

 

[Championfighter25]

Let's see this:
Elfs: most likely lost at least half of their forces and most of their most experienced commanders.
Golden Guard: they certainly lost at least half of their forces by now and more will die alongside van Durce.
Harmos' Order: they are practically gone, excluding Harmos and some.
Karskin Force: they are disbanded with Blen's death
Dwarves: they must have sustained tough losses against the demons
Kingdoms' forces: they can hold the demons but their forces must have sustained heavy losses, especially since the imperials are no longer aiding them

Aridon admitted that killing a high-ranking dreadlord is very difficult. Brian's power is not known, but I suspect he is stronger than Rahandir but still somewhat weaker than Aridon. And Brian alone is not enough to beat the Legions.

The part where the elves lost they're talented commanders is correct,while sustaining heavy casualties the good thing about them is because of Gardon's brainwashing of Salana a big part of the elves remained neutral in the conflict.Also Gardon didn't directly engage them in combat as was said in the description of chapter 6,he destroyed they're forests with magic to avoid as much direct combat with them as long as possible.So if we take that into consideration they can still maybe do something.For everything else you are right!

This is even worse. No force can hope to defeat the demons on their own and rather than combining forces they are killing each other.
The imperials realized the futility of it and that is why they decided to leave the continent and return to their homeland. The only reason the kingdoms managed to hold the demons at bay for a while was thanks to the Empire and now they lost that support.

Unite and fight the demons together?Well you can tell that to Rahandir and Aridon,they think that the undead alone can defeat the demons,well i hope they learned their lesson the hard way with the souleater legion and now realise that they're overconfidence in only themselves will be they're undoing!

 

[Boriss]

The part where the elves lost they're talented commanders is correct,while sustaining heavy casualties the good thing about them is because of Gardon's brainwashing of Salana a big part of the elves remained neutral in the conflict.Also Gardon didn't directly engage them in combat as was said in the description of chapter 6,he destroyed they're forests with magic to avoid as much direct combat with them as long as possible.So if we take that into consideration they can still maybe do something.For everything else you are right!

In the Aedale focused chapter we may get the option to re-establish Kasrkin. Demons were not only going for humans. There are orcs and undead to hunt as well. We never really discovered how many demons are there. It may be that there are like 2 legions of always rebirthing demons.

 

[LISBOAH]

The part where the elves lost they're talented commanders is correct,while sustaining heavy casualties the good thing about them is because of Gardon's brainwashing of Salana a big part of the elves remained neutral in the conflict.Also Gardon didn't directly engage them in combat as was said in the description of chapter 6,he destroyed they're forests with magic to avoid as much direct combat with them as long as possible.So if we take that into consideration they can still maybe do something.For everything else you are right!

Remember that most of them only became neutral after Salana joined Gardon,which happened when Gardon was already on the Queen's doorstep. And we have no idea how many elves the undead killed while clearing the way. Since Sapphira was thirsty for revenge and the undead are always eager to have more corpses to raise, they might not have avoided the elves like Gardon.

Plus, there is no elven council now as all of its members died, meaning that the elven government is without estability and is ruled by a clear puppet of Gardon.

Unite and fight the demons together?Well you can tell that to Rahandir and Aridon,they think that the undead alone can defeat the demons,well i hope they learned their lesson the hard way with the souleater legion and now realise that they're overconfidence in only themselves will be they're undoing!

I think Aridon has more aces upon his sleeves hidden, and he is waiting to use them at the right moment. And while they were forced to retreat, they didn't take heavy casualities.

Do not forget that the undead are a faction that has been going on for millenia, surviving the first demon invasion and are still a forced to be reckoned with.