[Campaign] Rise of the Horde

[Vinz]

Looks good, Hayate. But how are spikes supporting a roof?

 

[Hantoo]

:\ not sure gonna fix that then

 

[Vinz]

I suggest support columns take their current place, and they be moved outwards.

 

[MogulKahn]

Oh, I really hope to see this finished. I have few questions about your tech-tree, but I am going to wait to see their spells first (I hope you are going to release them) !
Btw, you need to have 2 flyers per race !

 

[Wolffman]

Oh, I really hope to see this finished. I have few questions about your tech-tree, but I am going to wait to see their spells first (I hope you are going to release them) !
Btw, you need to have 2 flyers per race !

Well, we're discussing it and we have a few plans, hopefully they work out well. As soon as Hardtime gets back we can know for sure..

 

[Hardtime]

Not exactly true. The Chimaera will be very powerful BECAUSE it is the only flyer. We won't be releasing the spells because listing all of them is such a hassle.

 

[youness]

How bout à giant werewolf in the Frostwolves clan.

 

[Wolffman]

How bout à giant werewolf in the Frostwolves clan.

Ehh, Werewolves don't have any ties to the Frostwolf Clan, not to mention that they're aren't really any real things as Werewolves in Warcraft lore. There's Worgens though, but they're in another world entirely..
So, it's not sensible to put Werewolves in the clan, just because they're named "Frostwolf" and have close ties to wolves..

 

[MogulKahn]

I see that you are big fan of the Warcraft lore, as I am, so I am just going to express myself about your Draenei race, you don't need to listen to me !
Majority of your model choices are great, but some of them are really strange?(unfitting).
First that Shard Launcher needs some kind of texture update. Right now it is just purple, purple, and more purple whit a bit of pink... I think that is lame.. I know that main color of Draenei race is purple, but add something more.. life in it...
That Soulpriest model is great, but it is just too HD for my tastes, especially as normal unit...
Anchorite, is for me worst model here.. He just doesn't look like Draenei at all. Maybe add some tentacles or make him bulkier or something like that...
Elekk? I am really confused whit this unit. If this unit has something whit Elekk Knight like Hypogriff and Archer has, than I am fine, but if they are just normal unit, that is really boring if you ask me...
Whit Salamander I am 50/50. I know that Broken Draenei has them, but these Draeneis? I would like to hear your reasons for this unit. Is it maybe lack of models? (at least use that purple Salamander);
I am still not sure about Chimaera, but I know that the biggest problem here is lack of flying units, so I am fine whit them.. Or use Rylaks maybe?
Narru as hero? Hmmm, I am not sure how I feel about that. I mean they are peaceful units that doesn't want to harm anybody, but still...
This was just my 2 cents, I hope you are not offended whit my comment, and I hope to hear you thoughts about this !
Keep up whit the good work my friend !

 

[Hardtime]

Then provide the models yourself if you're not happy with this. I wont change a model nor will I change a unit. The tech-tree for this is done and it will be such a hassle to re-work some of it because of the balancing. And YES, I'm very close minded about this. Feel free to create your own list of units and heroes if you don't like mine though mine already has complete units, buildings, upgrades, spells, and items already.

Those Chimaeras were supposed to be called Rylaks but I ran out of motivation to look for a proper skin that would fit with the other models.

Do you have a better idea about the Hero? You DID completely forget that the Naaru played pivotal roles in this story.

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ONE FEATURE I'D LIKE TO ANNOUNCE IS THE USE OF KNOWN ITEMS SUCH AS GOREHOWL, THE DOOMHAMMER, AND OTHERS AS ITEMS THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN.

 

[Yousef]

ONE FEATURE I'D LIKE TO ANNOUNCE IS THE USE OF KNOWN ITEMS SUCH AS GOREHOWL, THE DOOMHAMMER, AND OTHERS AS ITEMS THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN.

Great, will these items use abilities? Like a small critical strike chance or roar?

 

[MogulKahn]

Then provide the models yourself if you're not happy with this. I wont change a model nor will I change a unit. The tech-tree for this is done and it will be such a hassle to re-work some of it because of the balancing. And YES, I'm very close minded about this. Feel free to create your own list of units and heroes if you don't like mine though mine already has complete units, buildings, upgrades, spells, and items already.

Those Chimaeras were supposed to be called Rylaks but I ran out of motivation to look for a proper skin that would fit with the other models.

Do you have a better idea about the Hero? You DID completely forget that the Naaru played pivotal roles in this story.

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ONE FEATURE I'D LIKE TO ANNOUNCE IS THE USE OF KNOWN ITEMS SUCH AS GOREHOWL, THE DOOMHAMMER, AND OTHERS AS ITEMS THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN.

I just tried to tell you to consider some other things, but as always you are just being di*k.
You know, sometimes you need to hear opinions of the others, because maybe they have better idea than you, and that is just going to improve your map ! But whatever...

 

[Ragnoras]

i was thinkn of this;

Wolf kennels' trainablea


Tamed Wolf; A strong fast wolf with true sight and can learn bite

Wolf Rider; A warrior mounted on a woof: effective against buildings can learn ensnare and bite



other ideas;



Thunder Hawk; A spirit snow hawk summoned by shamans that shoots lightning at enemies' can cast chain lightning and can learn eagle sight


Wind Guardian; A huge mystical bird made of winds and summoned by shamans: effective against groups of units' can learn tornado and gashing winda

 

[Wolffman]

i was thinkn of this;

Wolf kennels' trainablea


Tamed Wolf; A strong fast wolf with true sight and can learn bite

Wolf Rider; A warrior mounted on a woof: effective against buildings can learn ensnare and bite



other ideas;



Thunder Hawk; A spirit snow hawk summoned by shamans that shoots lightning at enemies' can cast chain lightning and can learn eagle sight


Wind Guardian; A huge mystical bird made of winds and summoned by shamans: effective against groups of units' can learn tornado and gashing winda

Pretty cool ideas Ragnaros, I'll try and implement them onto the Unit table for Hardtime, but it'll take a while

I just tried to tell you to consider some other things, but as always you are just being di*k.
You know, sometimes you need to hear opinions of the others, because maybe they have better idea than you, and that is just going to improve your map ! But whatever...

Well, not to be rude, but you didn't consider the fact that the Draenei techtree itself took a long while to be established, and once again, not to be rude, but you're quite wrong if you think that no brainstorming and etc was put into the work. The amount of models for Draenei's are extremely limited so it's not really as easy as you may think to just whip out a change in a unit or hero.
This is supposed to be a way-more unique techtree than the ones used in Altered Melees, so using something different isn't wrong.
It also appears that you may have some personal problems with Hardtime, if so, then please take it somewhere else, because he is the project leader, but there are others there to help him out with this, and provide ideas. We're taking ideas from you guys aswell, but we can't implement EVERYTHING into a campaign. Now, those are just my two cents..

 

[Hardtime]

I just tried to tell you to consider some other things, but as always you are just being di*k.
You know, sometimes you need to hear opinions of the others, because maybe they have better idea than you, and that is just going to improve your map ! But whatever...

Whatever. It'd be a big hassle to change one of them since I've set all animation art and shadows in WE accurately. I not gonna change any model. Maybe re-skins or different models but with the same animations and the base. Oh and hey, I never insulted you. I never called you a dick first. I was just saying that everything was set accordingly already. What's your problem man? I accepted your opinion but you have to understand that Im gonna have my own opinion about yours too.

 

[Hantoo]

Whatever. It'd be a big hassle to change one of them since I've set all animation art and shadows in WE accurately. I not gonna change any model. Maybe re-skins or different models but with the same animations and the base. Oh and hey, I never insulted you. I never called you a dick first. I was just saying that everything was set accordingly already. What's your problem man? I accepted your opinion but you have to understand that Im gonna have my own opinion about yours too.

thats a little disappointing as the modeler of this project... (Don't Mind Me, I'm A "Little OCD")

 

[Ragnoras]

hehe i jus' have frostwolf 2 flywrs in no time!

 

[Hardtime]

thats a little disappointing as the modeler of this project... (Don't Mind Me, I'm A "Little OCD")

Heh I meant for the Draenei xD it's just trouble to rework the internal settings and art animations of each model. I'm willing to replace some models if they're either re-skins or based on the same model.

 

[Wolffman]

hehe i jus' have frostwolf 2 flywrs in no time!

Yeah, but we also have another model, I'm not sure if you know or not
Now there's 3 Flyers if we include both of yours..

 

[Hardtime]

i was thinkn of this;

Wolf kennels' trainablea


Tamed Wolf; A strong fast wolf with true sight and can learn bite

Wolf Rider; A warrior mounted on a woof: effective against buildings can learn ensnare and bite



other ideas;



Thunder Hawk; A spirit snow hawk summoned by shamans that shoots lightning at enemies' can cast chain lightning and can learn eagle sight


Wind Guardian; A huge mystical bird made of winds and summoned by shamans: effective against groups of units' can learn tornado and gashing winda

Hmm by hawk you mean Kaliri and by wolf you mean Frostwolf right?

 

[Ragnoras]

oh i meant only wolf and for their shamanic ways i thoughr spirits are a goos idea

 

[Hardtime]

Oh man, the Frostwolf will only have tech-tree up to Tier 2 because they're eventually gonna transform into the Horde in the middle of the campaign but I'll try to push those ideas through the tech-tree. When this is done, we're gonna make melee maps that consist the Arakkoa, the Draenei, the Ogre, and the Orcish races.

 

[Vinz]

Ragnoras, I suggest you explain what the learn-ables are. (Bite, Eagle Sight, Gashing Wind)

 

[kakuzu]

So how is it going ?

 

[sonofjay]

The only reason that I was intrigued to the point that I'll comment on this thread is that you have the Frostwolf Clan and Durotan but before I subscribe myself here. Do you guys can really pull it off? Because this post is really concerning.

Im also REALLY desperate for a triggerer because there WON'T be any progress unless we have a good one so please apply! Thanks

Its rare to see a project to have Durotan as one of the main characters so I really hope you guys can pull this one.

 

[MogulKahn]

As I said in my previous post, I just wanted to express myself, nothing else... One tip from me: sometimes it is better to restart something to very beginning even if you are nearly done if you see (someone suggested, not trying to say that I did suggested something better) something better, because when you are done and you see there is some holes in it, you are never going to fix it in the right way. And it is not like you are 90% finished here...
And what is the point of releasing this thread if you are going to bash any comments that is against your ideas... Honestly no offense here, I just wanted to say what I think. I know that hardtime is big Draenor lover and he wants to see this finished, that is why I follow this project. Keep up whit good work my friends ! Good luck, you gonna need it !

 

[Wolffman]

As I said in my previous post, I just wanted to express myself, nothing else... One tip from me: sometimes it is better to restart something to very beginning even if you are nearly done if you see (someone suggested, not trying to say that I did suggested something better) something better, because when you are done and you see there is some holes in it, you are never going to fix it in the right way. And it is not like you are 90% finished here...
And what is the point of releasing this thread if you are going to bash any comments that is against your ideas... Honestly no offense here, I just wanted to say what I think. I know that hardtime is big Draenor lover and he wants to see this finished, that is why I follow this project. Keep up whit good work my friends ! Good luck, you gonna need it !

Well, firstly, it's fine that you expressed yourself, we didn't stop you from doing it, and we didn't really say anything against it. You gave your opinion, we just said something different to it. Hardtime has already mentioned that the decision is very close-minded. We're done with the Draenei techtree basically, and are moving onto the Orcish ones, because they require more attention as of now, being that they have many important details to attend to. The Draenei tech may or may not have holes in it, but as I already said, we are fixing that. It'll take some time, but it will be fixed.

Also, no one bashed on you for having ideas which are different than ours.. We just said that we've done a lot of work on the Draenei Techtree, and it's not really going to be plausible to remake it all over again. Also, a major reason to why you aren't really understanding our reasons for using the certain models, is because of the information we shared between each other and not to the whole thread itself. Creative decisions are quite difficult to take, but nonetheless we're going to try our best.

Also, you went out and frankly said :-

I just tried to tell you to consider some other things, but as always you are just being di*k.
You know, sometimes you need to hear opinions of the others, because maybe they have better idea than you, and that is just going to improve your map ! But whatever...

But also you didn't consider these :-

I was just saying that everything was set accordingly already. I accepted your opinion but you have to understand that I'm gonna have my own opinion about yours too. - Hardtime

We're taking ideas from you guys aswell, but we can't implement EVERYTHING into a campaign. - Wolffman (Myself)

Please do consider these facts, because our project really does depend on quite a bit on some idealistic opinions of other users. And also,please don't go ahead openly and call people names for no reasonable matter, it's really offensive to others, either way. To summarize the whole "fandango", you expressed your opinion, Hardtime expressed his opinion by saying that were done with that, and we wont go back to redoing it all over again, you replied with a brash comment about him, and well, things kind of went downhill from there.

Anyway, let's just move on from that, your and others opinions are always welcome to us, but know that we can't promise to do whatever you say, because we have our own opinions and decisions to make. If we did do every opinion that was expressed, than there would be a Werewolf in the Frostwolf Clan which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, the Vindicator would have more than it's fair share of spells, which would get confusing and the Draenei would have to get an extreme makeover which would not only take up more than the allocated quota of time, but it would result in the loss of a bunch of units and a major Hero which is necessary in our techtree..

 

[Hardtime]

Well, firstly, it's fine that you expressed yourself, we didn't stop you from doing it, and we didn't really say anything against it. You gave your opinion, we just said something different to it. Hardtime has already mentioned that the decision is very close-minded. We're done with the Draenei techtree basically, and are moving onto the Orcish ones, because they require more attention as of now, being that they have many important details to attend to. The Draenei tech may or may not have holes in it, but as I already said, we are fixing that. It'll take some time, but it will be fixed.

Also, no one bashed on you for having ideas which are different than ours.. We just said that we've done a lot of work on the Draenei Techtree, and it's not really going to be plausible to remake it all over again. Also, a major reason to why you aren't really understanding our reasons for using the certain models, is because of the information we shared between each other and not to the whole thread itself. Creative decisions are quite difficult to take, but nonetheless we're going to try our best.

Also, you went out and frankly said :-


But also you didn't consider these :-





Please do consider these facts, because our project really does depend on quite a bit on some idealistic opinions of other users. And also,please don't go ahead openly and call people names for no reasonable matter, it's really offensive to others, either way. To summarize the whole "fandango", you expressed your opinion, Hardtime expressed his opinion by saying that were done with that, and we wont go back to redoing it all over again, you replied with a brash comment about him, and well, things kind of went downhill from there.

Anyway, let's just move on from that, your and others opinions are always welcome to us, but know that we can't promise to do whatever you say, because we have our own opinions and decisions to make. If we did do every opinion that was expressed, than there would be a Werewolf in the Frostwolf Clan which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, the Vindicator would have more than it's fair share of spells, which would get confusing and the Draenei would have to get an extreme makeover which would not only take up more than the allocated quota of time, but it would result in the loss of a bunch of units and a major Hero which is necessary in our techtree..

Point taken my friend but just let him be. He's not worth the time you spent making up this comment. I've dealt with him before and we got off on the wrong foot, that's fine I let that slide past me already, but calling me a dick in public on MY OWN thread and project? That's where I draw the line.

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As I said in my previous post, I just wanted to express myself, nothing else... One tip from me: sometimes it is better to restart something to very beginning even if you are nearly done if you see (someone suggested, not trying to say that I did suggested something better) something better, because when you are done and you see there is some holes in it, you are never going to fix it in the right way. And it is not like you are 90% finished here...
And what is the point of releasing this thread if you are going to bash any comments that is against your ideas... Honestly no offense here, I just wanted to say what I think. I know that hardtime is big Draenor lover and he wants to see this finished, that is why I follow this project. Keep up whit good work my friends ! Good luck, you gonna need it !

Heh, funny thing is we first started arguing when I didn't want to give him models from the old FoD thread. Now that I've made my own, he says he doesn't like the very models he asked from me a few months ago. Make up your mind. Oh and for the record, we're basically not friends. More like acquaintances in a community. (You HAD to cross the line man)

BTW, please stop trying hard to act all professional and all that because it changes nothing. How is it better to start from scratch? Why not just revise and scrap what you already have? In our case, we are DONE. D-O-N-E with the Draenei and won't be going back unless we need re-skins. To be honest, and no offense to you and your beliefs, but I think that your advice is pretty illogical. The only time you make something from scratch is when you know you have enough time. I'm setting this campaign for release by this time next year and we still have a LONG way to go with the terrain and cinematics once we're done with the tech-tree. You have to understand this from our perspective because we can't just be like "Oh hey I wanna make a campaign and I'll put this, that, and all of those into it". That tech-tree actually to me a few weeks to figure out, even before this project was started. I'm trying to be as friendly as I can to the few subscribers here but we just can't implement what YOU guys want. This project is about what WE want to put. You can start your own Draenor themed project if you like.

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The only reason that I was intrigued to the point that I'll comment on this thread is that you have the Frostwolf Clan and Durotan but before I subscribe myself here. Do you guys can really pull it off? Because this post is really concerning.



Its rare to see a project to have Durotan as one of the main characters so I really hope you guys can pull this one.

Already have a model for Durotan Though Im not using the one made by Tauer. The model Im using resembles a merge of Thrall and his appearance in WoD.

 

[MogulKahn]

I am putting this stupid back and forth arguing to an end... This is my last time saying anything about this "fiasco"... This hardtime dude is always butthurt and arrogant, his every comment is like that... That is what is getting on my nerves.
I am still going to follow this thread, but I won't comment any more, because this is HIS thread and he won't put what we guys want (like he is making this for someone else or for himself only)...
Please stop replaying my posts...

 

[sonofjay]

his hardtime dude is always butthurt and arrogant

The irony.

because this is HIS thread and he won't put what we guys want (like he is making this for someone else or for himself only)...

And what is wrong with that? I am like that most of the time on my projects. I mean c'mon, the developer know the shit about his/her project more than we do.

Please stop replaying my posts...

Bullshit way to end a provoking post. You can't expect Hardtime not to comment on this when you're mostly insulting him on your post.

EDIT:

Not really here to insult you since I know you as one of the very few remaining followers of Oakwood RPG but you should seriously open your eyes to see who is being arrogant and butthurt here.

 

[Hardtime]

I am putting this stupid back and forth arguing to an end... This is my last time saying anything about this "fiasco"... This hardtime dude is always butthurt and arrogant, his every comment is like that... That is what is getting on my nerves.
I am still going to follow this thread, but I won't comment any more, because this is HIS thread and he won't put what we guys want (like he is making this for someone else or for himself only)...
Please stop replaying my posts...

And the insults just keep coming. How the hell am I arrogant here? Is it wrong to be proud of your own work? And what's wrong with that? Hahaha you must be crazy if you think Im following your bullshit rather than the well-researched things we put here.
You guys can suggest things you want but for the LAST time, this is my project. You're not even part of the team and you're acting like you know more of this stuff than I do. I made thing project for MY entertainment. Its just a coincidence that most of the people on the team love the lore too.

Oh and BTW, *replying

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Im putting this aside for the sake of this project but you're not forgiven.

 

[kakuzu]

Did you find a triggerer to help you ?

 

[Hardtime]

We've got Hayate and yousef

 

[kakuzu]

Great , also Hayate isnt a modeler ?

 

[Vinz]

People can excel in multiple fields.

Though I haven't seen his triggering works yet.

I mean c'mon, the developer know the shit about his/her project more than we do.

Not only that. He also has full rights to do whatever he wants with it, and when he doesn't feel like doing what other people want, let him be.

 

[kakuzu]

People can excel in multiple fields.

ThoughI haven't seen his triggering works yet.Not only that. He also has full rights to do whatever he wants with it, and when he doesn't feel like doing what other people want, let him be.

Cool , 2 in 1 . And yeah , agree , the creator can do what he want , because it is his project and he can accept what ideas he want

 

[Hardtime]

Alright enough about this arguement. I'll be posting the Frostwolf unit list soon because it's almost done.

 

[kakuzu]

Also how much you will fallow the book ?

 

[Hardtime]

Pretty much 99% but we'll be adding 1% ofour own flavor to the story

 

[Ragnoras]

YAY! frostwolf almost done?!??!

 

[sonofjay]

Will you post it like you did with Draenei? Images I mean.

Wooh, can't wait to see how Durotan looks!

 

[Wolffman]

Yeah, most of it's done, we're just brushing it up a bit, before releasing..

 

[kakuzu]

It is very good you want to fallow the book story , good for people who want to read the book by playing the campaign

 

[Ragnoras]

So like it would be...., hey it saids here that (Example) Garrosh attacks Frostwolf clan, and now he's attacking them in this campaign cool!

 

[Wolffman]

So like it would be...., hey it saids here that (Example) Garrosh attacks Frostwolf clan, and now he's attacking them in this campaign cool!

well, it's an example, but yeah that's somewhat what we are trying to do..

 

[Ragnoras]

Bad, that i don't have rise of ta horde or i might have known it :=(

 

[Hardtime]

Yep, the unit list is almost done though the spells and upgrades need work. We also dont have most of the models for the buildings but Hayate will be more than glad to provide them when he returns

 

[Ragnoras]

The frostwolf, why not just use the Ice Orc buildings made by Ujimanso here;s the link

 

[Chen]

The frostwolf, why not just use the Ice Orc buildings made by Ujimanso here;s the link

Ujimanso? Who? Anyways, I think it don't fit, since they're not based from ice but snow. Better use orcish buildings with frosty feel.

 

[Vinz]

Ujimasa Hojo abbreviation perhaps.

I don't agree much, unless the Frostwolves are not living in Tundra regions.