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Hello, I think this is needed, for example if you look into my map Azure Tower Defense Ultimate, it got 2x rating 1 just because I reviewed their maps and they broke the rules and got rejected.

There should be some kind of requirement to rate as I'm getting sick of these abuses:thumbs_down:

Discuss:

(If this was posted before then I'm sorry)
 
Hello, I think this is needed, for example if you look into my map Azure Tower Defense Ultimate, it got 2x rating 1 just because I reviewed their maps and they broke the rules and got rejected.

There should be some kind of requirement to rate as I'm getting sick of these abuses:thumbs_down:

Discuss:

(If this was posted before then I'm sorry)

well, sadly some ratings will always be biased... and I don't think its fair to place a requirement to rate...

but maybe at least put a screening on ratings... maybe some moderators can check those that rated and see if its valid (maybe by checking their comments about the map, and if its not justified the rating will get removed...) [maybe not all but those that is far from the average rating of the map before his rating was added...]
 
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/maps-564/azure-tower-defense-ultimate-v-15-8-a-158263/index2.html

Feel free to check the comments on the 2nd page. 1 of them rates each map the opposite as it should be and the other one did it because his maps got rejected because he broke the rules.

Both of the comments even make no sense at all.

yeah... they're unreasonable... anyway I dont like the comment that says: why would I download your map if in the next few hours an update will come... I thinks its all the more reason to download it (at least if ur a fan, to get to check each and every improvement while they are still a few coz its hard to check once they stack up...)

I think I'll download the map, I used to play ATD way back... ^^
 
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Remember user named gianni that upload trash maps?
Search his post about scary cinematic, i lol'd at his comment "This made me lose all my unportected maps, vote for regect"
Wut is regect exactly? And if i don't wrong he rate it 1/5 even that cinematic has approved.
Yeah, so many rule breaker later days. And they want revenge of course....
 
No. You guys seriously have no idea.

You do NOT rate a map 1/5 because it violates the rules. In order for the map to be judgeable (and voteable), it HAS to follow the rules.

Then, if the map is approveable, you are free to give the map a voting, depending on what you think about it (with a little comment of course).

This means: No matter whether a map is following the rules or not, the rating should belong to the content that is in, and not how well the rules are followed.

This does not only save such issues as this, but it will make many things more clear.

I guess we could write this into the resource rules, but who does read them anyway?
 
Nope, not 0 as well. Those maps should not be rated.

Think about this: The map will be uploaded on multiple pages. Now depending on what forum you are in, the map has between 1 and 4 points. You see what? How should the user know which map is good? Its about the content, not about the rules that map follow.

Just wait for voting until its approved. Then you have no problem at all.
 
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There should be some kind of requirement to rate as I'm getting sick of these abuses:thumbs_down:

Like "you can only rate if you have at least X rep"? Doesn't sound very nice, since I (as well as many other users on the Hive) have few rep. If not all users could rate maps I think many maps would not have rating.
Wouldn't it be better if you , when you see a bad rating, could report it to an admin so he removes the rating and maybe -rep the user.
 
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If we added restrictions to people voting, then it would take away from the new users who are here to actually help. Remember that Peon something or other guy? One of his first posts was this half a page review of a map, and it was excellent. I'll try and track down one of his reviews, you'll see that some people are here to help too.

And remember, the people that aim to take away from you can be the greatest inspiration to make something greater
 
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Stop crying about rating. It doesn't matters for shit. Just because you care about your resources' user rating just makes you seem more immature than the downvoters. The only rating that matters is the moderator rating.

Oh, and:



http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/models-530/black-glow-terraining-134939/
Check the rating here.

That's what total new guys do, they need it, you get 5/5, they don't need it you get 1/5...

And yes, maps that are rejected several times get a rating that is over 3/5, but there are very few which are approved and get 1/5, because it doesn't make sense.
 
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@ Kuvio: Just no. That does not solve any problems, but creates more and increases work.

Ok, I guess you're right. My point is that if only a few users could vote, that would only create more problems since most maps would have few or no rating and that wouldn't make the system more reliable.

If we added restrictions to people voting, then it would take away from the new users who are here to actually help. Remember that Peon something or other guy? One of his first posts was this half a page review of a map, and it was excellent. I'll try and track down one of his reviews, you'll see that some people are here to help too.

And remember, the people that aim to take away from you can be the greatest inspiration to make something greater

Agreed. That is what I'm trying to say.
 
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If I am allowed to add my humble opinion, I think you guys just take too seriously the map rating / approval vote.

1-Warcraft is a game; even if it is a good game, it is a game only. You should always remember this thing before using the nuke bomb on a mapmaker who does a bad map or on a reviewer preferring to read the description and saying "NO BB CODE VOTE FOR REJECTION" whereas the map is good.

2-Only members of THW take care about the rate. Who are members of the THW? They are mapmakers, modelists, texturers, etc, but rarely pure players.
And, what you can see, if that most maps are not necessary downloaded from THW. I could take the example of my 3 maps (Stars, 300 Blast Them, and Restricted Complex 601).
For the 2 first, I already get a host-bot to host them. I stopped the bots around 6K games for each map when I stopped to host these 2 maps. On THW, I'm far to get this score. 300 Blast them is really bad rated, but approved by the moderator. So I do not care about the rate. The map was played online, so why would I take care of a score based on nothing but a general feeling with 10 minutes test?
What I mean is that you should really just take care of the moderation approval, and not of the rate, not of the download amount, not of the mini-reviewers opinions.
In other words: fucks the rate. On THW, just take care of the moderators (the real moderators, not fake reviewers).

3-Since a map is rarely "good" or "bad", depending on what the players like to play, just take care of the advices / constructive criticisms. I take an example: I hate Dota, for me, it's a "bad map". On THW, I would have rated it 2/5. And? Hundred thousands players play this game, so, it may be a good map after all. The rating of a map is only due to the feeling of a player, so it should really not be so important.

4-And, once again, reviewers and rated people there are all map makers. Or, in the end, the important thing is to get your map played. Nothing more. And, of course, to enjoy make a map. I really hate the arguments like "your map took 24 hours to be made, it's bad". If the map is enough fun to provide good games on Bnet, why would you say it is a bad map? Never forget you buys are NOT representative of what players like. You are just representative of what mapmakers like. And since the % of mapmakers for the global player amount seems really low...Just be gentlemen, not angry people / flamers.

To conclude:

Barathrum, just do not care about the rate. You try to act like a moderator whereas you rarely write good comments / way to improve the map. You just take care of the rules. No BB Code = map refused (even if I caricature a bit). You are even not a moderator. Then, you place yourself into the situation where you make people angry. In other words, you place yourself into a situation where you will be hatred. This is only because you get no more legitimacy than other members of THW to judge the work of other people. Then, it's logic (even if it is stupid) than your victims strike back against yourself.
So: just do not care. If your map is played on Bnet, there, it means your map is good /and/ or suit the demand of the players. No more.
 
@jk2pach:
Agree with you on 1. But remember that The Hive Workshop is a modding community, only guys who take it real serious...and you and me, join it.

However, ratings affect how much the map is downloaded. It is important.
Also, the point of rating a map is to bring an objective view, like:
'Tidy triggers, +1 point'
'Has map preview, +1 point'
Rarely do you see:
'I don't like AoS maps, -3 points'
'Love the model for the dwarf hero!, +2 points'
So, DotA IS a GOOD map. You can't say 'oh, but I don't like Mogul Khan's movement speed' and downrate it.

Barathrum, I do believe that biased ratings should be taken off. You had every right to downrate that map.

I myself think that there should be a requirement, and that maybe it can have 3 rating types (yes, I know, 3! Ohmigod!). So, there would be the map mods, the guys who approve and review. Then the mini-mods, 'official' reviewers that give quality-certified ratings and reviews, and then the dumbasses like myself that just go 'Oh lolol, awesome map 5/5'.

@Debode: What, so olympic athletes are immature? Sure, maps aren't gold medals, but they are special to the authors who put blood, sweat, tears, and hours of typing bullshit on the WE. Also, you're saying, 'Hey, look, I got a resource rated 1/5, and I don't give a poo, so everyone else shouldn't either, now lets acuse the OP of being a baby'.
About the mod rating only matters, I shall use my olympic athlete comparison again, as I am sure they would be proud of the fans that cheered them on, not just saying 'Stuff you, I just want my medal'.
 
Mods-approves/rejects, search option for filters
Mini-mods-gives 'official' ratings' that will be another option for search filters
Kids-gives '5/5 thumbs up!' or 'thiz sux 1/5', another search option

Mods can hire or allow people to review maps as mini-mods. Also, perhaps a rep and post requirement, like minimum 5 rep and 50 posts, before you're allowed to post resources (even if you are trustworthy, this will make people trust you even more).
 
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Barathrum, I do believe that biased ratings should be taken off. You had every right to downrate that map.
We humans always have bias. Its in our nature to do so. Bias can still actually be used as a point in reviewing.

For Example:

Personal Points
I hate the model for (Insert Hero Here). -.5
I love the gameplay so much that it makes me biased. +1

See what I mean? Make it into a scoring system.

Although a personal point like this should be avoided...
I hate you. -20 (D:)
I lurv U :3 +20

That won't make ANY sense...
 
Then tell me this; was your first post, if it was a resource, well done? Would many people download it? Would it get approved right away? No, but, a little bit of experience (REPRESENTED by your rep and posts, as the more you have, the more active you are, and maybe just posts, as rep is decoration, but posts aren't) will not only get others attention, but also allow you to make better resources.
 
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