Requiem

[Miss_Foxy]

Nice, looking forward to it once more!

 

[Kithraya]

Ability / Skill system. An early stage, but it exist. ;D
Most things are generated by the trigger. New ability like items in inventory system can be add very easily. Need to make descriptions. Of course everything is controled by mouse.

Click on image, to see the game view.

 

[RiotZ]

Ability / Skill system. An early stage, but it exist. ;D
Most things are generated by the trigger. New ability like items in inventory system can be add very easily. Need to make descriptions.

Click on image, to see the game view.

Very cool, is this also controlled with the mouse?

 

[Kithraya]

Yes. What. You think the mouse in the Wc3 is so rare? ;D

 

[RiotZ]

Yes. What. You think the mouse in the Wc3 is so rare? ;D

No, no I personally would have done it with arrow keys though, and a dummy unit for controls... But mouse works better I suppose, just harder to make.

 

[Luorax]

Nah, it really isn't if you're familiar with JASS

BTW cool system, when I saw the picture for a second I thought that "II" means pause, I was like wut?

 

[RiotZ]

Nah, it really isn't if you're familiar with JASS

BTW cool system, when I saw the picture for a second I thought that "II" means pause, I was like wut?

It's easy to do in GUI... You just need units underneath the filter that can be selected, and the selection event can then be detected.

Otherwise it wouldn't do anything. Unless you used Right-Click detection with Custom Script... Which I cease to see how that would work anyway.

 

[Luorax]

It's easy to do in GUI...

And yet impossible if you're planning on using trackables, which is actually a better solution considering it has on hover events. BTW the combination of units and trackables is godlike, because it gives you hover, left and right click events.

 

[RiotZ]

And yet impossible if you're planning on using trackables, which is actually a better solution considering it has on hover events. BTW the combination of units and trackables is godlike, because it gives you hover, left and right click events.

True...

 

[Kanadaj]

No, no I personally would have done it with arrow keys though, and a dummy unit for controls... But mouse works better I suppose, just harder to make.

You dont need JASS at all for mouse control of this type, you can also do it with dummy units, but I admit that with JASS it's really another thing, as when clicking a dummy unit the UI reacts even if for a mere moment, while with trackables it can really give the feeling of a cool hardcoded UI

Right click detection -> check a dummy unit's order ^^

 

[Luorax]

If you create a new class for those buttons, create a linked list, check whether the dummy unit of the current instance is selected or not every 0.3125 seconds and fire the right functions, then it's barely (or not) visible that it's a unit (that's the way DGUI works, but it uses a stack, which is slower than a linked list). But hell, it's quite slow, because... because JASS is slow (compared to real programming languages)

 

[Kanadaj]

That's why I'm working on stand-alone C# pwns, especially on WP7 and iPhone (well, iPhone uses Objective C not C#, but its close) as they have in-build framework (hell .NET Framework uses up a lot of power on a cumputer as it's a virtual machine which translates C# to C, which is then translated to BASIC, which is then to assembly xD)

Back to the topic: the system looks awesome, however I miss some of the tree-ness of it ^^

 

[Thyrael]

And yet impossible if you're planning on using trackables, which is actually a better solution considering it has on hover events. BTW the combination of units and trackables is godlike, because it gives you hover, left and right click events.

Wrong. Because the mouse can only trigger one layer. Means if you have a unit laying over a trackable, you won't trigger the trackable, but can left/right click the unit. If the Trackable is over the unit, mouse over and click will work, but you won't be able to select the unit at all.

 

[Kanadaj]

Right click catching with issued order+trackables work well together

 

[Thyrael]

Sure, as long as the clickable unit is not in front/above the trackable, cause you can only click the first/on top layer of objects.

And for trackables left and right click are the same. So if the trackable overlays the unit, you won't be able to click the unit. Only way is to drag/select via mass selection frame(the green rectangle), but that will select all units in the area.

 

[Lordkoon]

Project is dead? Or just resting from holidays?

 

[Kithraya]

Despite the subject matter, project is not dead. ;D

Currently I'm working on daytime effects (so far, was the only night), blur effects, some new shadows, enemy balance and battle system. Today or tomorrow I'm going to share some news.

Btw: Map weight reduced by 59 mb. ^^

Blurred Bush

 

[88WaRCraFT3]

Damn it, that's just epic.
Edit: What you think we create Total wc3 conversion?
I know to edit wc3 mpqs and all that stuff, but i'm not modeler.

 

[sonofjay]

Epic!!!!!! i will wait for this

 

[RakEnRoL]

Omg! I was dreaming of creating a game like this and I thought it was impossible but its not.

 

[Kithraya]

To keep the thread alive, a small update:

Just finished the conversation system for whole map.



It is true, only one thing which is missing is the text, but relax, I have everything set on paper what each sentence will do.

In game after complete quests or other things like that, tigger will change the number of the actual conversation algorithm. At this time, there is 32 algorithms assigned to the simple variable integers.
When you activate conversation (press F), trigger will check the active number and activate the the correct algorithm of conversation. After the completion, usually "algorithm 0" will be activated, with basic features and questions.

And this system can handle max 6 sentences, what is enough, i think.

Very simple, isn't it?

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Btw: Added some sounds (our character talks now), 3d sounds (fireplace, etc.) and daytime lighting (look previous screenshot).

 

[Hexcellion]

Reminded me of Resident Evil lol. 173 mb is not that bad, since the game looks so damn awesome!

 

[PROXY]

Really lovely. I wish I would that good in triggers like you ^_^

Anyway, I hope there are enough areas where it isn't so much black white. I know that's the ghost world or how you called it but too much isn't that good, as the last pictures you have posted where all in black/white. Hope that there is a good balance between them

 

[sonofjay]

Whoa the size is now down to 145mb!!! I'm really looking forward for this game.


If this map is finished this will be the best map ever.

 

[Luorax]

It's pretty neat. However I still can't believe this is WC3.

 

[Razosh]

I still can't belive that this is made by just one person.

 

[RiotZ]

140 MB, sounds like you'll have to boot the map and wait roughly 12 hours for the lobby to load, then another 8 for the game to start.

 

[Kithraya]

140 MB, sounds like you'll have to boot the map and wait roughly 12 hours for the lobby to load, then another 8 for the game to start.

If your 12 hours = 3-4 seconds, and your another 8 hours on loading screen =
15-20 seconds... then yes, you're right. xF

But I remember from school, that seconds ≠ hours. xC

Edit:
As I said before: Only saving map in WE (No game) take about 1 minute.

 

[RiotZ]

If your 12 hours = 3-4 seconds, and your another 8 hours on loading screen =
15-20 seconds... then yes, you're right. xF

But I remember from school, that seconds ≠ hours. xC

Edit:
As I said before: Only saving map in WE (No game) take about 1 minute.

No way it loads in 20 seconds, Curse of Time, (one of the crappiest maps ever) takes a minute to load... You must have a 4 ghz quad core lol.

 

[Kithraya]

No way it loads in 20 seconds, Curse of Time, (one of the crappiest maps ever) takes a minute to load... You must have a 4 ghz quad core lol.

It really loads about 20 seconds? Map is not finished, but for now it's 20 sec. It mostly depends, if you have many Map Initialization triggers.

 

[Luorax]

No way it loads in 20 seconds, Curse of Time, (one of the crappiest maps ever) takes a minute to load... You must have a 4 ghz quad core lol.

Map size has nothing to do with map loading time; you'd know it yoruself if you knew a thing about WC3 triggers & object editor data.

 

[Vunjo]

Map size has nothing to do with map loading time; you'd know it yoruself if you knew a thing about WC3 triggers & object editor data.

You took my words :O
Approved! xD

Basically, the number of triggers in map is also slightly connected with loading time - not just the trigger size.
Adding tons of music, which takes a lot of file size, will not change loading time in map, thus a map with 140 MBs can be loaded quickly.

 

[Luorax]

Basically, the number of triggers in map is also slightly connected with loading time - not just the trigger size.

That's only if you use GUI triggers (or JASS ones because you must have a init func inside each trigger if you're using vanilla WE); they all create their handle part (which we, JASSers call triggers) and run their initializer functions. By using vJASS you can merge a lot of triggers into one, single and long trigger, thus reducing the amount of functions needed to be executed at map init, reducing the loading time.

 

[RiotZ]

Map size has nothing to do with map loading time; you'd know it yoruself if you knew a thing about WC3 triggers & object editor data.

Do you have some sort of problem with me?

1. Triggers contribute to map size,
2. Object Editor entries contribute to map size,
3. Triggers that take longest to boot up (which are usually inits or run on 0.00), always slow load speed, whether it's inside the map, or on the loading screen.

Map size has a very large amount of things to do with load time. A map like Gaia's Retaliation takes a while to be loaded after you select it for hosting.

I know as much or more about mapping in its entirety than most mods, I've been at it for 4 years.


@Goris: Does it take long for the game to initialize once it's started?

 

[Luorax]

Do you have some sort of problem with me?

Why would I? I don't even know you.

1. Triggers contribute to map size,
2. Object Editor entries contribute to map size,
3. Triggers that take longest to boot up (which are usually inits or run on 0.00), always slow load speed, whether it's inside the map, or on the loading screen.

Map size still doesn't have a thing to do with loading time. Yes, triggers (actually the amount of fired functions and not triggers, but it's cool) and object editor data have, but not map size. Well, even my map's script is 3,2 MBytes long (uncompressed), and it's 62652 lines long and has 511 custom abilities, 117 custom units and 90 custom buffs. The loading time is... hmm, 5 seconds?

So actually the loading time can be 20 seconds, I'm sure that 138 from the 140 MBytes is custom model and texture, which DO NOT increase the loading time. That's all I wanted to point out; maybe I was a lil bit harsh, but that happens to me quite often, don't take it personally.

 

[Vunjo]

Lols you 2.

A map filled with triggers and object data cannot be really bigger than 2 MBs, so you have, Riot, completely changed the theme lol
It's Import Editor that increases size of the map, but has nothing to do with loading time.

Back to topic:
I don't know who said it, but I agree, why is it so dark (black and white) in map?

 

[Luorax]

It's somehow related to the world, where the whole story takes place.

 

[Kanadaj]

Well I think map size actually counts... After a certain point. If your map has to load those (an example) 800MB-s of models, it will actually slow it down a bit, though not to an annoying point (well, do not try to run a map greater than your total RAM, but for this to exist you have either a bad PC or a map with half of WoWs models ^^)

 

[SunTzu7387]

dude this the screenshots look amazing! when are you goitna post the beta? idc if you protect it i just wanna play it!

 

[Kithraya]

I can say, total progress is near 60-65% (yay?).
Perhaps tomorrow I'll make a list, what else need to be done (

) and what is done (

). Oh, this will be so long.

 

[sonofjay]

Protect it or not I'm still gonna play this. Don't care how long it will take to download and to load the game cause giving the chance to play this is the best experience I'll get on playing warcraft 3. Hope you'll not stop on a certain point of the progress.

 

[88WaRCraFT3]

Gj Goris ))

 

[Kithraya]

I posted in first post too. And that's not all.

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[Grievous1]

It seems you make a giant progress... I really should visit your project thread more often than currently. I still can't wait to finally play it. keep up the good work btw. the "Wanna beer?" thing makes me laugh because currently I want beer.

 

[Kithraya]

Actually, when all will be marked as

, then the full version will be released.

Unfortunately, progress is slow, due to the number of persons (1) working on the project.

 

[DEAD FiSH]

Being a lone modder makes me proud! But quality of my work is not as good as yours!
Wish you best of luck! And if you need some musical scores, listen to my tracks (link in my signature). Maybe I can make something...
And WIP of my current track. Clicky!

 

[88WaRCraFT3]

Epic nice progress
It will be a shame if it will be linear game

 

[Magtheridon96]

One question Goris:
Are you handling the On-screen text with Text-messages that are created at different screen coordinates, images, or are you using doodads with imported textures?

 

[Kithraya]

You mean "Close/Activate/Open/Use [E]" thing? It's text-message.

 

[Midnighters]

Great work so far.