Race ideas

[Misha]

Nice idea Veljo

 

[Barorque]

So Felguard as a light melee and Hellhound as a melee with feedback and AA (throwing spikes like razormane??)

I was thinking I remove ranged units from Tier 1 if I make Felguards slowing their enemies... so they become anti-ranged

 

[VeljkoM]

Helhound more like a spell-caster killer. No point of AA feadback when air units aren't magical and you have that void already.

Then you have early disadvantage because as you see all races have range units.

 

[Barorque]

Do I understand your idea right?
>> First T1 unit: Hellhound ranged with feedback
>> Secound T1 unit: Felguard melee with a slow-effect

 

[VeljkoM]

Uh no I suggest move Hell hound to 2 tier as anti spell casting unit (like dryad, spell breaker...). And to add instead of one melee unit a ranged unit.

Alternative is to make very fast melee unit with normal armor to be effective against other range units. Like huntress are.

 

[Barorque]

Ahh.. ok ^^
Now I have the one missing unit for the caster-barracks (Fel/Hellhound)
And I could use a wierd revenant skinn or something like WoW Imp as T1 ranged

THX!

 

[VeljkoM]

And is it really necessary to have two ultimate units? Fun it is but Doom guards and infernals are already to strong even when one appears. You should really work on them to make it balanced.

 

[Misha]

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/models-530/frost-archon-172140/ here's something.. maybe it can be useful

 

[VeljkoM]

Great but I am lil insulted.

 

[Misha]

.. D:

 

[VeljkoM]

Well I am dp member -.-

 

[Misha]

yeah.. the only one with the sane mind.. :/

 

[VeljkoM]

You haven't real meet those that don't post much on discussions. Tho guess that's why they kept sanity.

 

[Misha]

i don't have anything more to say... I have made my point..

sorry for the unintentional insult, veljo.. knowing you're a good man.

 

[VeljkoM]

Yea that's why me and Al are searching for new dp. But this is off topic.

I should soon return to make AI for Ghost race. But gameplay is hard so don't know what Ai should do.

 

[Wazzz]

When you say Ghost race, are you referring to Wraithling's? It would be hard getting the AI to do proper gameplay of that race, as AI wouldn't really know how to use it to great effect
They'd prlly spam the starter unit against Night Elves lol (which would be silly as they take extra damage from Pierce and Archers take the least amount of damage from Pierce attacks than any other unit in the game)

 

[VeljkoM]

Yes that one. Ai editor only tells him what to build and use but not how. Computer randomly uses abilities.

 

[Misha]

.. or sometimes not at all :/

 

[VeljkoM]

Especially custom ones.

 

[Misha]

..no wonder that the AI need to be supplemented with triggers in the map

 

[VeljkoM]

Jass you mean not triggers.

 

[Misha]

triggers, jass.. i was saying in overall, since i've seen both

 

[VeljkoM]

Its all the same in the end.

 

[Wazzz]

Jass would be the best way, though, although I have no idea of how to do it.
I reckon if someone could make AI that player professionally just for one melee race, they would be a legend.
And I mean professional as in it counters all rush-tactics, masses units based on what the opposing player gets, uses them in great methods, and when it's with allies it complements what the allies are getting.
Such AI to be built in Warcraft, however, would either be impossible or so nastily complicated that it would take years to perfect

 

[VeljkoM]

Like that Improved AI Tool ?

 

[Misha]

.. wouldn't it be better transferring a human mind? [/sarcasm]

 

[Tleno]

Misha's damn right. there's no tool good enough to effect AI at least someway... only good way is to completely reprogram whole Warcraft AI related stuff.

 

[VeljkoM]

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/tools-560/advanced-melee-ai-62879/

 

[hayatesasaki]

anyone working on a Blood Elf race? I think im doing ok with mine.... but it WOULD be nice to get someones opinion whos making one as well ^^

 

[VeljkoM]

Uh at the moment I have no idea who is even working in this group. I remember that Michael Peppers was working on Blood elf mod tho.

 

[Slayer14]

Hey, guys I just joined this group (don't shoot the new guy down), but I have had a fairly simple Blood Elf race of my own. I put them on a Blizzard map. (I don't have very good terraining skills.) If anyone would like to see it, I'd be happy to post it.

 

[Misha]

*shoot*

anyway xD feel free to pastebin it here

 

[Tleno]

*Shoots the corpse*

Yeah, the pastebin should work.

 

[Slayer14]

Alright, just hold your fire, here's the link to my Pastebin.

Simple, but decent, right?

 

[Misha]

that Phoenix warden.. Is it just me or she has the sword of This guy? http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/models-530/vampire-knight-136574/

 

[Slayer14]

It looks similar, but you'll have to take it up with the guy who made it. It belongs to General Frank. Take it up with him. The new guy's innocent.

 

[Misha]

ah..

 

[VeljkoM]

Ok here is my opinion:
-you have 3 archers which mean you have 3 units with same role. That is unneeded and would be better to make regular archer upgradable to ice or fire version. Similary you also have 2 basic melee units
-The workshop building doesn't fit and can be built in 1st tier.
-All spellcaster have their spells without upgrade, And warden can have damage upgraded 20 times and since she is rather cheep unit and takes only 2 food it really is unbalanced. They all also use hero models and that can be confusing
-You need another flayer beside dragonhawk rider. All races have at least 3 flayers.
-tool-tips need work cuz upgrades are still for mortar team, griffin rider etc.
-Heroes are uh just blademaster and paladin with different models (blade still has same icon even) and you can make as many as you want paladins and blade needs stronghold still.
-Elven knight doesn't have disabled icon it was just green for me.

 

[Misha]

one more thing.. blood elves have all a hunger for magic.. so.. can you add a special drain ability to at least spellcasters?

 

[VeljkoM]

Yea nice idea. Maybe like vampire aura just instead of health its mana.

 

[Misha]

and.. there is lill too much red in that race, blood elves still have white in their structures and so on..

 

[Slayer14]

What do you mean? Is it the models and how almost all of them are a little red? I thought the Blood Elves were supposed be red though.

 

[Misha]

have you played WoW? Silvermoon city has a lot of white walls, red and gold are only accents..

 

[Slayer14]

I've played WoW, but only the first part. (I played a free trial.) I don't think I've seen Slivermoon city.

Are you saying that the Blood Elves primary color is gold (or yellow or whatever color most of the units' armor is), which is the main color of the units' armor and they just have a secondary color of red for their armor's detail? (e.g. The Blood Elf Lieutenant model already in-game has kind of a golden-colored armor and a red shield.)
Sorry if I'm being a little hard to understand right now. I'm just kind of confused.

 

[Misha]

blood elven primary color is red, BUT they use it as an accent, along with gold, their structures still have white or beige walls.

 

[VeljkoM]

Yes but Silvermoon was made by High Elves who were white.

 

[Slayer14]

Huh, well there isn't much I can do to change the color of the models, since none of them are mine. I think General Frank's models are good, regardless of their color.

 

[VeljkoM]

That's cosmetic part, the gameplay part should be bigger priority.

 

[Misha]

well yeah.. there you lack a LOT.. shouldn't you try to combine a few units to create new ones?

 

[Slayer14]

I agree that the gameplay part is more important than the other stuff (especially when it comes to terrain). And Misha, you say I should combine units? Perhaps I should have the same amount of units in each building as some of the melee buildings? Oh yeah, it's been a while since I worked on it.

P.S. Nice to see this group active, unlike some others that I've seen.