Race Discussion

[Windu]

I'd love to create a goblin race .... I already have some concepts, yes?

Is there anyone willing to cooperate?

 

[Tleno]

Not really. I allways have few ideas about a race, but my specailty is non-lore based races and just giving out ideas and suggestions for free...

 

[Dark_Angel2147]

windu i will "cooperate" if you want

 

[Misha]

need anything, Windu?

 

[VeljkoM]

I need help with Sea Legion race. Please test the map and give me mostly Hero ideas.

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/pastebin.php?id=sc4qz4
To play against Sea Legion AI just set computer player with random race and with 60% handicap.

 

[Misha]

Immediately i must sound the alarm!
the AI was quicker than me, which ain't much.. lol

but the Alarm-raising thing is the hydra ultimate. like.. you summon it, and it runs out, spawns lesser hydras, that runs out, spawns even lesser hydras, that runs out, spawns hatchlings. and doesn't stop there

it SPAMS hatchlings across the whole map! that's a serious bug

 

[VeljkoM]

Uh...how the hell did I miss that?

 

[Misha]

Beats me xD

 

[Chaos.]

Hey Misha, could you maybe find someone who is good with triggers and OE to do some work on the abilities and systems while I'm working on Terrain Contest #9? (I'll hopefully be done my wip terrain soon). It will go ALOT faster if you have someone that's actually good with triggers and OE, unlike me who does ALOT of experimenting to figure it out (with very little success most of the time). Once I get my terrains done I will continue to play around with things and I will ask some of the more experience triggerers when I am stuck. Doing the work solo is taking too freaking long, lulz. (well most of that time was spent researching ideas for abilities and names.)

 

[VeljkoM]

When will we see some WIPs? Oh and Misha don't worry about AI being quicker then you. It is quicker then Blizzards AI. IT is latter game when he starts to show weakness.

Oh when you finish elements i could try to make AI for them to right?

Oh and I think Wrathling is good about race creating. In contest he made his own spells and had great ideas.

 

[Misha]

Chaos, If i knew who's good at that i would recruit him ASAP, but i don't.. '~'

Veljo, You're most welcome to try if we ever finish elementals XD;;

 

[Michael Peppers]

Out of curiosity, do you use the AI Editor or you script your AIs, VeljkoM?

 

[VeljkoM]

AI Editor. I know it is lower form of creation but it is effective enough for me.

 

[Michael Peppers]

It's not that different to be honest. I learned scripting, like, a month ago. You can simply cut code that doesn't get used and have more control on some aspects of the AI, like attacking and building, but the end result is almost the same.

 

[Misha]

Hmm.. take a look

Discuss :]

animations completed
But what shall it be? Naga Building? Hellish? Element

 

[VeljkoM]

Are we guessing or giving ideas?

 

[Misha]

Giving. to what should i wrap this...

But NOT Tech..

 

[VeljkoM]

Hellish then. Some kind of infernal contraption to make mortals sorry for ever opposing demons. Doesn't really look nagish and if it is fire based then it can be elemental too.

I don't have to post in all other groups right?

 

[Misha]

Nope..

 

[GhostThruster]

Looks teleportally...

 

[Misha]

but of which type? :3

 

[StormWarriors2]

I just finished my Race's complete Techtree I will update on wedsday!

 

[VeljkoM]

Huh? No good race can be done in that quickly.

 

[Misha]

Orly Veljo?

let us see the race, Storm :3

 

[StormWarriors2]

I put it up. Took me like 2 weeks. -.-

 

[Wazzz]

@Veljkom: Yes it can, if you have experience

 

[VeljkoM]

If you cut out balance sure. But race needs to be tested and improved. To be honest I am never happy when I finish. I just have to kill every single thing (but if I didn't do that sea legion would be finished way before schedule).

 

[Chaos.]

At last, the terraining contest is done and the poll is up. Now time to seek out some help. I will begin PMing some people shortly. If people are willing to help then we will finally make some progress with the abilities and systems for the elemental race.

 

[Misha]

.. main priority would be setting up the "mine/harvest-from afar" system which would make the elementals a bit unique.

wondering if that can be made by a single wisp-dummy(nonseeable) and a trigger that stretches some "lightning/drain" texture/model? from one to other unit while they gather

similar would be with an acolyte-dummy and same stretch-sumthin' trigger, for the gold.

 

[Chaos.]

Yus. Systems will be first. Abilities after.

 

[Misha]

so.. will anyone try the above..?

 

[N.Knight]

I need ideas for creating a prehistoric race...2 actually, that existed at the time of the dinosaurs and had the giant beasts domesticated. buildings, units, spells. give some ideas.

 

[Misha]

Hmm... there are some dino models 'round..

but i'd say that no intelligent life like us was in the time of dinosaurs... or.. if you think aliens

 

[VeljkoM]

Maybe he wants race like in "Forgotten war" campaign.

 

[Tleno]

No Misha, dinosaurs were the inhabitants of Atlantis
Well, have you ever player Paraworld? You could rip-off few ideas from there.

 

[Misha]

ah.. the mythical Atlantis

well havin' Atlantis in mind, you could go something like glass/stone/metal structures and futuristic/medieval combo weapons and spells?

 

[Chaos.]

Misha, Some good news to brighten up your day,
-Pharoah_ has agreed to help out with triggers for our elementals. He has completed Luminate (Blazing Zealot), Combustion (Pyre caster), and Scintillation (ember dragon). He is currently working the lumber harvest and build system.

 

[Chaos.]

-As for me I have been doing some work on tool tips making them look eye candy.

-I still suck, but I am improving on my 2-d art skills, and hopefully soon, I will be able to begin making acceptable icons. I will be starting with the Attack/defense upgrades.

-I have always wanted to try my hand at melee maps, so I am going to try to make 4 melee maps, one representing each element. But I don't know how it will turn out since I've never made a melee map, so don't get your hopes up too much.

-As soon as I get the melee maps done (If I do ever get them done) and after making a few icons, I will be making a thread in map developement to organize our ideas and hopefully recruit some modellers to get cracking on some buildings.

Anyways, happy b-day Misha, hope you have a great day. Don't get too drunk, lulz.

 

[Misha]

Too late

naw.. i'm not drunk... much >3

 

[ashbringer753]

here are some tips for melee maps:use grid for better symmetry,use blizzard techniques for terraining(large plains, separate areas with cliffs put rocks on river extremities...).
now how to place stuff:-tavern:middle of the map if the map is small,ungarded and close to players in large maps.
-goblin merchant:close to middle lvl 10-15 creeps around it.
-goblin observatory: same as above -fountains: in the middle of the map, lvl 12-17 creeps around it
-gold mines:close to players: creep number changes depending on players and gold amount in gold mines,but note that creeps should remain between lvl 12-24
Item table:

units should have a 30-40% chance to drop an item on low levels(-5) and 60-70% on high levels.
Trees: you can use those as a replacement for cliffs(2-3 big grid squares) when you want to separate areas,also there should be 1.5 or 2 grid squres of trees in the base

 

[Misha]

swift cloud? lol..

 

[Chaos.]

ashbringer753, thanks, but I know how to make melee maps. The problem is that I am an artistic terrainer. I like making maps look as epic as I can with cool, massive constructions and stuff. So then those small, low-res fountains and merchants don't blend in well with all the detail of the rest of the terrain. I can't do simple. I get to carried away on appearance and forget to focus on playability. But we'll see how I do.

 

[ashbringer753]

well i tried to make a combination of what you said and what a blizzard maps are like check it out: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/maps-564/rivers-fall-168727/?prev=status=p&u=ashbringer753

 

[Addamondes]

So im makeing this game Ultimate defence and everyone plays as a human(deal with it). The humans auto build but you always have direct control and can sort of use pheromones(although i dont call them that) if you build a wall they will build walls around it or towers near defence. But i've only managed to make one race that attacks you. I need ideas for races that are pretty unique. The first race is like skynet or something, it has core units that control all the other units by transferring mana from sensors(any unit or tower that gets mana from actions done around it (warstomp)) to nodes(small towers with mana drain and taunt) to outputs(the machine!). Its a physical AI that has no triggering or AI scripting. So i need way more races to attack the humans pretty diverse i was thinking about a zombie race but i dont want it to be simple. Please reply

 

[Misha]

zombie race? well.. what's usual about zombies (and undead generally) they're relentless and won't stop until splintered into bits or ground up, lol

but zombie types.. well there are a lot, simple flesheaters, mutated, leapers, screamers, shapeless gooey ones..... I think "left for dead" game has a few interesting ones :3

 

[Tleno]

let me think... sptting ones (ussually the spitty stuff is low damage but it's poisonous or does some other kind of efffect), classical tanks that are real strong, chargers that can run forward real fast and ram into somebody, super-regenerative zombies, exploding zombies all covered in some smelly zits...

 

[Misha]

lol zombielicious :3

 

[Tleno]

Yea... I know quite a lot about zombies... I mean they're so awesome, how can you hate those little smelly fellas?
Talking about foul smell, some zombies might posses foul smell that can actually weaken surounding living.
Also some giant ugly zombie that is a composite of lots of corpses can be big enough to walk over walls...


Other races you can add may be demons and aliens.

 

[Brygor009]

Geomancer (for the earth hero)?