Privacy No More

[TheLordOfChaos201]

What do you hivers feel about privacy?

let's speak about internet security and what the government can learn about you.

recently university students in some IT lab found out that Google finds your location without GPS or WiFi using your battery usage!!!! how does it do this? it measures how much power is consumed by your phone by the signal of phone range; ie the further you are from a cell phone tower the more power is used by your phone. using some hard make your location can be recorded and guessed.

The UN has further privacy infringements. Mails now legally have to leak your location every time you send and receive a message.

well what do you think.... should we be concerned or just trust that this information is safely leaked to trust worthy people who won't take advantage of knowing where we are and what we do.

 

[edo494]

"should we be concerned or just trust that this information is safely leaked to trust worthy people who won't take advantage of knowing where we are and what we do."

This is not what leak means. Leak would be if the data stored by them(this is called surveillance or telemetry depending on topic and context) is breached, so someone else, someone that does not have the authorization gains access to this information.

You do not leak your words to Hive's database by logging in. Ralle would leak information if someone got access to the server and stole the database content.

This is nothing new under the sun. When you access the internet, you have to physically launch packets from your network card, and most of these are not encrypted, so most of your traffic is technically public, since it is up for grabs

 

[The_Silent]

It is not too hard to stay relatively hidden if you actually put any effort into it.

 

[Chaosy]

I got nothing to hide so I don't care.

I doubt google cares about my porn fetishes, that's just about the worst they'll find.

 

[Mr. Gameplay Knowledge]

Welp,i have use the internet to get some stuff that isn't free for free.
And i still dont hide it.

 

[TheLordOfChaos201]

It is not too hard to stay relatively hidden if you actually put any effort into it.

how do you keep yourself hidden? personally I use an onion system (peer to peer) on my phone and only use my phone to access the net because it's chipped (given a false ip imbedded in the phone). it's safer to use your phone because even if tracked you can only be detected to the nearest cell phone tower... or so I thought until recently.

I got nothing to hide so I don't care.

I doubt google cares about my porn fetishes, that's just about the worst they'll find.

it's not about that. with this information a dirty agent could find out when your not home and rob you blind. it makes it more than just your privacy in trouble but everything that is yours including your security.

they can hack into your xbox and literally see inside your house. they can even gain hold of your credit card information and use that too.

why wouldn't you be concerned.

 

[Chaosy]

Because this dirty agent knows my address, robbing me ain't that simple.
It does not tell when I'm home or when I'm not.

Regarding my credit card, I don't got enough money for it to be worth their time.
And assuming google are criminals, then they'd have taken half the world's money at this point if it was that simple and they could get away with it.

You're just paranoid and unrealistic.

 

[Mr. Gameplay Knowledge]

You're just paranoid and unrealistic.

Agreed.

 

[TheLordOfChaos201]

I'm not sayin Google will directly attack you. I'm saying one of their employees with access to that information will attack you.

and I'm not being paranoid either.

during the time that Google was driving vehicles around in order to capture the street view. they accessed all local Lans and stole information from all accessible computers.

Google reads your emails in order to market adverts to the content of your private conversation.

iPhone tacks and makes a timeline of where you are and where you spend your Time, so that they can spam adverts to your phone that match your location

 

[Chaosy]

I'm not sayin Google will directly attack you. I'm saying one of their employees with access to that information will attack you.

Fact remains that it wont work.
Let's say they get my address and somehow figure out that I am rich enough to be worth robbing.

• I have to live close to this criminal person
• The criminal do not know when I'm home or not, there may also be other living in the same house, making it very hard to know when then house is empty. Unless he want to run in with a gun and steal things that way.
• Even if he knows that no one is in the house, incidents happen. I may be sick and stayed home that day. What if I have a angry guard dog, I doubt he'd know that by stalking my computer.

Overall it's just silly.

Google reads your emails in order to market adverts to the content of your private conversation.

So? As I said, do you think they care about your private emails? even if they read through them, so what? never seen a love-related letter? it's not a big deal.
Sure if you're a CEO of a big company and they read email regarding your job it might be an issue, but that has nothing to do with privacy, we're talking business in that case which is another story.

iPhone tacks and makes a timeline of where you are and where you spend your Time, so that they can spam adverts to your phone that match your location

This is actually good.
Then I get ads that interest me at the very least. I'd rather have a car ad than a makeup ad.

 

[Murlocologist]

Rest easy m8, government won't imprison you cos of your pornhub history.

 

[Chaosy]

Rest easy m8, government won't imprison you cos of your pornhub history.

My thought exactly.

 

[TheLordOfChaos201]

they don't need to rob your home. I did mention that they can get your credit card information. that includes duplicating your card and taking your money like that.

 

[Chaosy]

Pretty sure that's encrypted. Unless you're stupid enough to save the credit card information.

Of course you can get the info by hacking, but you don't need to be a google employee to do that.

And you're never safe from hackers, everything you do through the internet can be intercepted by someone skilled. So you better live in fear for the rest of your life. Or at least while you use a computer with internet.

 

[TheLordOfChaos201]

that's why I use a phone that can be extra protected

I access the net using lan from my phone to my computer for activity...

still I don't even have a credit card so no worries ^^

 

[The_Silent]

Mostly what they "know" about you result in search results and ads tailored specifically to you. Nobody cares unless you're actually a criminal, all the information is handled by algorithms, not people.

 

[Mr. Gameplay Knowledge]

@Chaosy
I will never fear the internet,NEVA!

 

[Roland]

I don't give a fuck if my Real information has been revealed in Public. Privacy won't help you tho.

 

[The_Silent]

Most people don't care because they're nobodies imo. Haha. (Me too, obviously.)
If there were actually people out there, that went out of their way, to get your information specifically, I suspect you would have a different opinion.

Also Identity theft is very real and very easy, the hilarious thing is that people do so little to protect them selves and their information, that most will never experience it, simply because the pool of potentiel victims is so big that no amount of thieves could ever get just 1% percent of all of them. Just because the numbers is so big.

 

[TheLordOfChaos201]

as for the people who go on facebook and tell everyone

I'm going on holiday for the next 9 months. my home is going to be completely unguarded and no body will be home.

.... -_-¿

 

[Roland]

Then ignore it? It's their way of sharing their lives and that's TMI. If I see those kind of posts I'd comment this "I don't give a fuck on your life."

 

[TheLordOfChaos201]

they might as well post a sign outside their homes saying

gone on holiday, the front door is unlocked come on in

 

[edo494]

as for the people who go on facebook and tell everyone

I'm going on holiday for the next 9 months. my home is going to be completely unguarded and no body will be home.

.... -_-¿

they might as well post a sign outside their homes saying

gone on holiday, the front door is unlocked come on in

This has nothing to do with privacy of information. This would be breaching privacy, if I posted this as private on facebook, and it still got somehow revealed, but most people are dumbfucks and just flat out post this either for friends, friends of friends or everyone, so this is 0% privacy and 100% idiocy

 

[IcemanBo]

Google for 'National Security Letter'. - it's also interesting.

Basicly they may force certain providers, or also software developers to build in security backdoors to hack in and access to any data.

If you rely on other's work you can never be sure your data is not open for a third party, especially if you're using the browser.

 

[Almia]

I am using a TOR so I don't care LMAO but most of time I use Chrome

 

[TheLordOfChaos201]

I am using a TOR so I don't care LMAO but most of time I use Chrome

tor has an ugly interface... but it's privacy... I guess. I use different means. I have tor on my phone though, its brilliant on the phone but not so much on the computer.

 

[Mr. Gameplay Knowledge]

Dont feeeeeed this threader,it has too much power.

 

[TheLordOfChaos201]

hey I noticed something, you can't use hive while on a proxy network

is the hive somehow blocking proxies? or is the hive jacking our location information and thus not allowing hidden location data!

all other sites work. every site that doesn't use javascript... it's only hive which doesn't work

 

[edo494]

you, my friend, are getting stallman-level of paranoid...

 

[TheLordOfChaos201]

well

is it?

 

[VeljkoM]

Aren't chances much higher for a regular local burglar to rob you? If there is a google employee who literally personally spies on all internet information and uses it to rob people then give that man a medal for dedication.

 

[TheLordOfChaos201]

but if the objective is money, dedication is not an issue

 

[VeljkoM]

Exactly that is why I say reward him. If more people were that dedicated than our society would be better. This is capitalism my friend where dedication and perseverance are virtues and not like in that godless communism. Equal shares for everyone and rewarding slackers, that is just wrong.

 

[TheLordOfChaos201]

capitalism has money from the government too. called different things in different countries but exactly the same as the communist stuff

wow... I'm insane... I've started using tor and privatized vpn, plus some others

thing is I don't feel any safer. I'm planning on moving to a local WiFi so that it's no longer a personal but public connect

safer that way

 

[VeljkoM]

I agree you are insane but sadly not fun.

 

[edo494]

being connected to public wifi is actually much less safe than being connected to your own wifi you have on your router in your house, because then literally anyone can snoof all your traffic, and keep in mind public Wifi most definately doesnt use any encryption whatsoever

 

[TheLordOfChaos201]

being connected to public wifi is actually much less safe than being connected to your own wifi you have on your router in your house, because then literally anyone can snoof all your traffic, and keep in mind public Wifi most definately doesnt use any encryption whatsoever

that's a good point. I never thought of that. how would you go about it then?

I was mainly concerned with the physical location of your computer being discovered. a public lan can only be traced to the router...

but stuff could be fished otherwise

how would you defend both fronts
location (identity) and data (physical activity)

 

[edo494]

how to go about this? maybe you know...stop being paranoid as fuck, that may help.

I really doubt anybody gives a shit what porn you watch(data front) or where you wank to it(location front), you are not important, just as I am not, dont forget there are 7 billion of people on this planet, and only like couple of thousand people are such that someone would give a fuck, and I really doubt you are in that list, or anyone from hive in that regard.

 

[VeljkoM]

@edo494
No no he doesn't care about government/google looking at his pornstash. He fears them knowing when he is or isn't at home. Because burglars use internet to check for empty homes these days.

 

[edo494]

I hope they write GUI application in Visual Basic for that too

 

[Dr Super Good]

The only people who worry about privacy are people who have something to hide.

 

[TheLordOfChaos201]

something to hide!!!! like my privacy duh

why isn't this a concern for you people!

 

[Roland]

Privacy is for Paranoid fucks. (I don't care if my information is exposed in public.)

 

[neven1]

Privacy is for Paranoid fucks. (I don't care if my information is exposed in public.)

Oh really?Give me your phone number,your home address,credit card number, bank account,your moms real full name,picture of yourself...

 

[IcemanBo]

There are companies where 'Big Data Analystics' is an important term.
So Dr Super Good has a point, but I don't wanna feed them unnecessarily with my privat information ( at least most of them)

Though when browsing and doing my dailies, there is rarely a reason to hide my geographic localization, etc.

If it's still really "needed" for some cases you may blur your user agent information, change to an vpn (with browser settings), block trackers and so on.
For me maybe the most important when browsing randomly in the internet is to have something that blocks scripts that would run secretly in the background.
But besides that, there's not too much to block or to hide on a daily routine.

 

[Mr. Gameplay Knowledge]

I say that just paranoid people are afraid of losing their information.
So why would someone like to know your information,to destroy the future,to run away the whole life from the justice,and of course to become a internet criminal.
If they hack your bank account,just call the police,and they will use their hackers to find the hacker, that hacked your bank account.

How?
They can see for what and where he used your bank account.
When they find him or not,whatever happens your country will give the best to give u back the money u lost.

So in main,if u are careful enough and not dumb enough to get viruses that can read everything from your PC.
Then there is no reason to worry about this stuff,and to be a paranoid guy.
I mean seriously,no one likes paranoid people,because they are fking annoying.

 

[TheLordOfChaos201]

hahaha THE Bora_Balboa, your so ignorant

banks don't give a damn if your money is stolen from their banks. look it up. every case in banking history. when money is stolen banks do nothing to refund the money they were supposed to be protecting.

reporting it will not help

 

[edo494]

"If the money stolen is your own, then the relevant piece of legislation is the Payment Services Regulations. These say that you must be refunded immediately if you have had money taken from your account without your permission."

What you say is therefore complete bullshit, because if they wouldnt refund you you could sue them

 

[TheLordOfChaos201]

sue a bank... and you can't see a problem with that?

 

[edo494]

the law very clearly enforces them to return any payment that happened without your consent to you. It isnt even vague, it clearly says "return them their money".

I have real life friend that is Stallman-ian, and you seem to be similar, or equal, so I wont deal with you anymore, as reason tells you nothing, and only what you believe is correct.